contest prep... some cycle ideas.

[Iron Queen]

Alright looking for everyones opinion here. I'm getting ready to start my contest prep and am planning on doing deca/winny/nolva in my prep but this is how I'd run it:

18 weeks total
weeks 1-10 deca 50-75mg e7d (not sure yet)
weeks 11-18 winny 50mg eod

Has anyone ever frontloaded the deca (females) for it to give any better results? So I could go first 2 weeks at 100mg e7d, then drop it down to 50 or so for the remaining weeks?

Also another thought... If I didnt frontload, the deca wont be doing anything in my body for the first few weeks really, so do you think I could find something that is fast acting that could give me good size gains otherwise?

I'm also gonna run the nolva for at least 16 weeks this time so it will cut down on water retention from the deca also.

I've done deca before up to 75mgs e7d and LOVED it also same w/ the winny, use both before during a contest prep and came in great for my show. I'm planning on weighing in at the high end of the MWs for my show.

I also wont be using any thermogenics this time due to high blood pressure and possible heart problems that I've had in the past. So no clen, ECA, or even T3... Hopefully cardio and a great diet will do the trick.

Any thoughts?

--Iron Queen

 

[tripleV]

Cant help ya girl...but best of luck

 

[dieslgrl]

if you want to "frontload" deca... start with your regular injections... 50mgs/week while jumpstarting it with some nandralone phenylpropinate (fast acting deca...) its in and out of your system within a day or two... these will be good to take every third day for about two weeks before your slower deca takes effect...

listen to this though... by ONLY using the fast-acting deca... you can identify side effects immediately, and drop it out--or down-- immediately... if you are using slow deca then it might be a little too late to recognize any sides... you could be long on the way to far too much virilization before you can do anything about it..

I advise against using regular deca.. but that is up to you...

to be safe... anavar/primo/winstrol... and some gh if you can afford it...
Don't mess with yourself too much... you don't want to turn into what so many people look at and mistake for a man... stay in the minority... for woman, you can't race results... do as much as you can on your own and utilize the AS as a helper...

also... I think 16 weeks is too far out to start the nolvadex.. you need to keep some estrogen in your system... it is not always bad... if you are going to start anything early... it should be proviron... add in the nolvadex maybe in the last six weeks...


hope this helps
dg

 

[dieslgrl]

and another thing... if you need to really put on some size, a safer bet would be equipoise...

and the nandralone phenylpropinate will hold less water than regular deca.

hope I didn't confuse you too much

 

[Iron Queen]

That fast acting deca might be a possibility but there really isnt enough time for me to try that for this cycle... I've revised what my plan is going to be to this:
week 18-17
100mg deca e7d
week 16-8 (depending on how sides are)
50mg deca e7d - i've gone higher but i think 50 will be a good thing to start with for now.

week 8-show
50mg eod winstrol

unsure where i'll throw the nolva in at but probably in around week 10 or 12. could be later though? just depends on how my bodyfat is at the time. will only use it at 10mgs ed because that dosage was fine last time.

not sure if i will use anything for water this time. during my cycle i've gotta keep checking my blood pressure because i am more prone to water retention and if the blood pressure starts to creep up bc of water retention then i'll get put on either an ace inhibitor and/or diuretic. depends on what the case is.

before the show, not sure if i'll use a diuretic this time. i went w/ hctz w/ potassium last time and only dropped 1 lb overnight because i was already so dry from the winny/nolva that i had been taking. so i'm just gonna wait to see how i'm looking.

oh, as for primo... i've got a few left but didnt really see great changes with it. wasn't really worth the money i spent on them.

halo... i dont even want to risk it! LOL, any kind of real test scares the crap out of me. i've tried sust. at low dosages and felt the sides from the prop in it within 1 day of taking it. never again will i ever use a test.

deca has been really good to me and it gives me pain relief in my joints so its my fav!

 

[dieslgrl]

doubleing up the dose of the deca in the beginning is not going to be beneficial for you.... its not going to make anything hit any harder... so keep with the 50mg injections the whole way through... work your ass off to get that quick deca.. it will be worth it... I have used this stuff in the past (as well as regular deca) and the differences are amazing... I was actually harder with the quick deca than without any deca... incredible energy and strength increases.. but the second I heard my voice drop a little more and noticed a little acne on the shoulders and chest, I stopped taking it and with in a couple days I was back to normal.. if I were on slow-deca, I wouldn't have had that option.

get some gh.

still too early to start nolva.. did you hear me? get provirons... start those early if you are worried about water.

as far as a diuretic... did you ever try aldactone?

how many times have you competed?

dieslgrl

 

[Iron Queen]

<<get some gh.

still too early to start nolva.. did you hear me? get provirons... start those early if you are worried about water.

as far as a diuretic... did you ever try aldactone?

how many times have you competed?>>


dieslgrl-

I really dont think its too early to start the nolva. Most people start it at 12 weeks out during a contest prep and I know others that stay on it year round. I'm not even taking the recommended dose, I'm only going to use 10mgs (not the 20 reg. dose).

I've also discussed it with my dr. and he said it would be fine to use for that amount of time.

gh... I might use it after my show to help come off everything. If I do, I do... If not, no big deal. But its a possibility.

Deca, I agree, I wish I could get the slow acting but there's no way that fast. Wish I could! I've used deca many many times so I know what to expect otherwise.

No, I've never used aldactone before, I have it though... But like I said before I really didnt even need a diuretic last time before my show. The only time I'll need any type of diuretic is if I have major problems with water retention while I'm on the deca. And if I do them I'll use hctz probably because its in and out, works really fast with great results.

I've competed twice, qualified to nationals. What about you? Do you compete?

 

[dieslgrl]

i missed the 10mg nolv. dosage... that's cool.. I was thinking you were doing the whole tab every day...

I have qualified for nationals (at my first show), and plan on competing there next year... next year I will be competing in a local show to take it back, then jr's, then nationals..

its nice to have another real competitor on these boards... I wish you luck!! what do you weigh? plan on weighing in at? height? what did you do for your diet in your last show?

dg

ps. you can pm me if you like, or email me at [email protected]

 

[wilson6]

IQ

Refer to the "info on a national middleweight" thread Sept 19th.

I personally think that the doses could have been a little lower with the same results but I don't get involved in those issues.

For example,

Weeks 16 to 8; 100 - 150 mg of test and deca each, total 200 - 300 mg vs 400 mg/wk. Similar taper from week 10 to 8 at the same time beginning the winny and OX. All winny and OX from week 8 to the show. But, winny @ 50 EOD and 10 mg/d of OX should be more than enough. Forget the Primo, overrated in my opinion.

In fact, this competitor put on 5 lbs of muscle between the 8 weeks from the qualifier and the nationals with only one week of non-precontest dieting. She added 5 lbs of muscle while dieting for the show! Almost missed the weight class and had to cut her doses of winny and OX because she continued to put on muscle while cutting.

Regarding Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen reduces intracellular IGF-I and may limit muscle growth. Personally I think the benefits are minimal. Perhaps a couple of weeks prior to the show, but I don't think at that point, if you diet right and are using winny and OX, you'll need it. You should be ripped, perhaps too hard for what they are looking for today.

From what I've seen, Test and Deca for size early on and year round, and winny and OX for the last 8 weeks. If diet and training are there, you won't even need thermogenics, T3, excess cardio, GH, clen or anything else. Keep it simple, less drugs = less sides.

Everyone makes it far more complex and difficult than it has to be.

W6