hey bro... winnie is stronger than anavar but has more sides... there is the possibility of shedding and there will be some joint pain but you will get more strength and more lean... anavar and proviron are great together... a little bit harsher on your liver and lipids... let me know which you would rather run and i'll set you up a cycle... you can run transaderm with either one although i like them just solo and with hcgenerate alongside... either way, it will be a great cycle... let me know and i'll get you all set up bro...