Considering 1st cycle

[monk32]

Hi,

I'm 36, weight 84kg, height 5'11 and having been training for 7 years by end this year.
The last 4 years have been very strict in diet and training.
My diet as follows:
Protein 384.8, Carbs 309.7 and fats 73.7 = total calories 3484.6 for 6 days and day 7 is lower in calories generally as it's rest day.
I train 5 days a week and cardio 3 times weekly.
I intend to run the following:
Week 1 -10: Test E 250mg
Week 13 - 16: nolvadex or clomid
My supplier recommend 250mg for test e, is that amount right as I have read people doing from 300mg to 500mg or higher...
I think this is quite basic for a first cycle, any advise if I should add anything, is 10 weeks considered short and if the dosage is fine.
Thanks.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

I think that you are from ready to use steroids. Getting the information from "your guy" is not the best way to go about this. Read the stickies on the forum to begin your research.

Definitely a 10 week cycle at 250mg per week is good enough but your PCT sucks balls. There are a number of threads AND STICKIES that will lead you to the info you need.

Good luck.

 

[C0LUMB0]

welcome to the site bro.

first off, well doner for posting stats....its a MUST here before advice is offered on AAS usage.

a 10 week cycle would be fine, pct needs to be improved like my man svp said.

forma stanzol,phytoserms 347 and unleashed+postcycle are what you need .
you can run a low dose of clomid @ 25mg for 4weeks starting 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

do plenty of reading before you start the cyle ...not during and not after !

you could run hcgenerate for the last 5 weeks also...to keep your nuts in good shape

you havent said what your goals are but if you are looking for more size i would bump the fat , anpb ,evoo,nuts would all be a good choice.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

welcome to the site bro.

first off, well doner for posting stats....its a MUST here before advice is offered on AAS usage.

a 10 week cycle would be fine, pct needs to be improved like my man svp said.

forma stanzol,phytoserms 347 and unleashed+postcycle are what you need .
you can run a low dose of clomid @ 25mg for 4weeks starting 2 weeks after your last shot of test.

do plenty of reading before you start the cyle ...not during and not after !

you could run hcgenerate for the last 5 weeks also...to keep your nuts in good shape

you havent said what your goals are but if you are looking for more size i would bump the fat , anpb ,evoo,nuts would all be a good choice.

What he said plus+

Buy everything before you start.

 

[monk32]

thanks Columbo & thesvpdeal for the replies.
yes, will keep reading threads AND STICKIES....not starting right away but getting all the information i need first...thinking of starting maybe towards end of the year.
definitely going for more size.....

 

[Judo Tom]

welcome to elite!

keep reading and asking questions.

read up reviews on "post cycle", unleashed, and formastanzol.

those are great pct products

test at 250mg is a great first cycle.

realize that your diet is key and so is your training routine.

start logging your diet and your routine to see what is working. dont wait to get on to figure this out.

 

[zsimpson22]

Hcg on cycle starting week 3 or 4, nolvadex IMO is enough for pct on a test e only cycle, even though I know others will disagree. The way I see it, with test e, the only recovery you need is to get rid of estrogen build up, and bring boys back. And hcg and nolvadex take care of that. And have an AI such as aromasin or a-dex on hand in case of on cycle gyno. Run the nolva two weeks after last injection, and run it for four weeks, 40/40/20/20

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Hcg on cycle starting week 3 or 4, nolvadex IMO is enough for pct on a test e only cycle, even though I know others will disagree. The way I see it, with test e, the only recovery you need is to get rid of estrogen build up, and bring boys back. And hcg and nolvadex take care of that. And have an AI such as aromasin or a-dex on hand in case of on cycle gyno. Run the nolva two weeks after last injection, and run it for four weeks, 40/40/20/20

Nolvadex will make you feel shitty. If you want to feel like shit, by all means, run it.

 

[Judo Tom]

if you think thats the only thing you need to do during pct then there is more for you to research.

 

[hyp1]

I would run the test e at 500mgs a week taken twice to keep your hormone levels more stable
ran for 10 weeks

followed up with a pct
I'm old school and usually use nolva,clomid and hcg
others use different approaches to each his own

 

[hurricane]

250mg is enouph to make gains but It will not give the results of 500mg,even for a 1st cycle.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

250mg is enouph to make gains but It will not give the results of 500mg,even for a 1st cycle.

I like 250mg for a firat cycle.

 

[zsimpson22]

if you think thats the only thing you need to do during pct then there is more for you to research.

Bro, I've done more research than you can imagine in the last year and a half. More than enough people say they've ran hcg during cycle with an AI, and nolva for pct, and made a full recovery fairly quickly. To many drugs in a pct can be just as bad as not having one. Just because I'm not trying to promote mrsupps or ntbm products because of them being sponsors, doesn't make me wrong. If restored balls, and getting rid of estrogen isn't the main goal of pct, then do you mind telling me what is?

 

[rich_89]

What he said plus+

Buy everything before you start.

And make sure it has arrived.

Not in the post
Not at the depot
Not at customs
Not at your mates
Not with your source

Actually in your hand!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

And make sure it has arrived.

Not in the post
Not at the depot
Not at customs
Not at your mates
Not with your source

Actually in your hand!

Booya

 

[monk32]

thanks all for your advices....
I am still reading and researching and am wondering ...do people take test e only for a few cycles?
I have read that most will stack test e with something on 2nd cycle.....if test e only is good for cycle 1....wouldnt there still be gains to be made on 2nd or 3rd with the same or increased dosage?

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks all for your advices....
I am still reading and researching and am wondering ...do people take test e only for a few cycles?
I have read that most will stack test e with something on 2nd cycle.....if test e only is good for cycle 1....wouldnt there still be gains to be made on 2nd or 3rd with the same or increased dosage?

test e is a good starting cycle, yes... but realize, its always good to use different things because over time your body does adjust to the same things... can you still make gains, sure you can but you will get much more out of it with a stack or using something different... If you train hard and eat right you can always make gains, but more gains will come with different stacks and compounds... You switch up your training right? So your body doesnt adjust... You switch up your diet when you have different goals, right? You just need to focus on one thing at a time... Once your complete your first cycle, see how you reacted to it and then after deciding your next goals, then think about future cycles... Concentrate on your first one now...

 

[RADAR]

For the record i ran test at 250 wk my first cycle, after 8 weeks i upped it to 500 and the difference was like night and day!
I would start at that dosage or better yet 400 mg Wk Have everything you need on this cycle before starting including PCT.

 

[monk32]

thanks dylangemelli & radar,
will be researching more and get everything ready before considering to start...so for now...just more reading...

 

[monk32]

after doing more reading for a couple of months, I made a few adjustments:

Week 1 -10: test E 500mg/ week (250mg x 2)
Week 1 -10: aromasin 12.5mg/ed (or 25mg/ed?)
Week 13 : clomid 100mg/ed + Nolva 40mg/ed
Week 14 -16: clomid 50mg/ed + Nolva 20mg/ed

using an AI during cycle should keep gyno away but having nolva on hand just in case.
was suggested by a buddy to add proviron instead of aromasin, is it fine to add for a first cycle?
I know proviron can prevent gyno and prevent estrogen build up but it's not an AI so wondering whether to switch....
Comment and advices pls.
Thanks.

 

[rich_89]

Add a test booster to your pct. Unleashed is the best one.

 

[dylangemelli]

after doing more reading for a couple of months, I made a few adjustments:

Week 1 -10: test E 500mg/ week (250mg x 2)
Week 1 -10: aromasin 12.5mg/ed (or 25mg/ed?)
Week 13 : clomid 100mg/ed + Nolva 40mg/ed
Week 14 -16: clomid 50mg/ed + Nolva 20mg/ed

using an AI during cycle should keep gyno away but having nolva on hand just in case.
was suggested by a buddy to add proviron instead of aromasin, is it fine to add for a first cycle?
I know proviron can prevent gyno and prevent estrogen build up but it's not an AI so wondering whether to switch....
Comment and advices pls.
Thanks.

bro, your pct is terrible... there is no need to be running clomid that high... you'll find out the hard way why its not smart if you do and there is absolutely no need to be running nolva... its not going to help you recover AND there is NO NEED to run two serms... im not sure where you got the information for this pct but its not good at all...

proviron is a steroid... it has anti estrogen properties but in no way shape or form should be considered or utilized as an ai... you have it right with aromasin except you only need to dose it EOD...

 

[monk32]

bro, your pct is terrible... there is no need to be running clomid that high... you'll find out the hard way why its not smart if you do and there is absolutely no need to be running nolva... its not going to help you recover AND there is NO NEED to run two serms... im not sure where you got the information for this pct but its not good at all...

proviron is a steroid... it has anti estrogen properties but in no way shape or form should be considered or utilized as an ai... you have it right with aromasin except you only need to dose it EOD...

terrible PCT again? guess back to drawing board once more.
I did reading & researching from various forums, websites etc...then try to put together what I have read.
Clomid has been quoted higher in some sites but i have reduced it to 100/ 50.
I know that both clomid and nolva are serms but read that they behave slightly different.
yes, i suspect as well for proviron - will stick with aromasin.

 

[dylangemelli]

terrible PCT again? guess back to drawing board once more.
I did reading & researching from various forums, websites etc...then try to put together what I have read.
Clomid has been quoted higher in some sites but i have reduced it to 100/ 50.
I know that both clomid and nolva are serms but read that they behave slightly different.
yes, i suspect as well for proviron - will stick with aromasin.

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
daa
forma stanzol


this is a proven extremely effective pct... your getting info that is pct style of the 80's... there's much better, more effective and safer methods...

 

[Essie]

^^^^^ Well, nothing I can add to make things any better for you OP ... as DYLAN freaking never sleeps and always steals all the posts! LOLLLL!!!! Just follow everything he laid out for you and you WILL, not should, be sorted Bro.

 

[monk32]

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
daa
forma stanzol


this is a proven extremely effective pct... your getting info that is pct style of the 80's... there's much better, more effective and safer methods...

thanks!!
Then this should be the amended version.
Week 1 -10: test E 500mg/ week (250mg x 2)
Week 1 -10: aromasin 12.5mg/eod
Week 6-10: HCGenerate
Week 13 : clomid 25mg/ed
Week 14 -16: clomid 12.5/ed
unleashed/post cycle combo
daa
forma stanzol

I added in HCGenerate as i would like "to keep my nuts in good shape" .
Yes, most info are talking more or less the same...didnt know those are 80's style.....
of cos, always going for better, more effective and safer methods.
Any comments before i start to search for unleashed/post cycle combo as these are out of stock...

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks!!
Then this should be the amended version.
Week 1 -10: test E 500mg/ week (250mg x 2)
Week 1 -10: aromasin 12.5mg/eod
Week 6-10: HCGenerate
Week 13 : clomid 25mg/ed
Week 14 -16: clomid 12.5/ed
unleashed/post cycle combo
daa
forma stanzol

I added in HCGenerate as i would like "to keep my nuts in good shape" .
Yes, most info are talking more or less the same...didnt know those are 80's style.....
of cos, always going for better, more effective and safer methods.
Any comments before i start to search for unleashed/post cycle combo as these are out of stock...

pct is spot on now bro... unleashed is in stock right now at ntbm... the post cycle will be in stock in a week so you can get it then...

the only thing i would consider changing is running your test for 12 weeks instead of 10... the ester is long and it really doesn't kick in until around week 5 so that's the only thing i would change... otherwise everything looks good!

 

[monk32]

pct is spot on now bro... unleashed is in stock right now at ntbm... the post cycle will be in stock in a week so you can get it then...

the only thing i would consider changing is running your test for 12 weeks instead of 10... the ester is long and it really doesn't kick in until around week 5 so that's the only thing i would change... otherwise everything looks good!

Great then i'll wait for the stock to be in first. Thanks!!
I will check to see if i can do 12 weeks, I'm planning for 10 because I know there will not be any travelling or stuffs to distract the cycle for that period.

A question - I read that AI should be run during the 2 weeks after last injection to control estrogen since there are still test e in the system.
any views on this? should i lengthen the period for AI to cover from week 1 to 12 instead?

 

[dylangemelli]

Great then i'll wait for the stock to be in first. Thanks!!
I will check to see if i can do 12 weeks, I'm planning for 10 because I know there will not be any travelling or stuffs to distract the cycle for that period.

A question - I read that AI should be run during the 2 weeks after last injection to control estrogen since there are still test e in the system.
any views on this? should i lengthen the period for AI to cover from week 1 to 12 instead?

the whole point of running forma stanzol in pct is to help with that but if you are more comfortable running it that way you can bro...

 

[monk32]

the whole point of running forma stanzol in pct is to help with that but if you are more comfortable running it that way you can bro...

yes, i know forma stanzol is an AI...already placed an order for it.
So actually it can be used both during cycle and pct....is it as good as using aromasin? should i change to use forma stanzol during cycle instead?

 

[dylangemelli]

leave everything like its laid out bro... use aromasin on cycle... don't overthink now that everything is finally set up right!!

 

[monk32]

leave everything like its laid out bro... use aromasin on cycle... don't overthink now that everything is finally set up right!!

haha...lol
Yes, i better stop overthinking since everything is in place.
thanks again, dylan!!
will update this thread again when i start....

 

[dylangemelli]

haha...lol
Yes, i better stop overthinking since everything is in place.
thanks again, dylan!!
will update this thread again when i start....

no problem bro... keep us updated on how it goes!

 

[hurricane]

you will grow on 250, you would grow more on 500.Its a marathon not a sprint.If you are fine with 250 then run it and report back to us.

 

[monk32]

you will grow on 250, you would grow more on 500.Its a marathon not a sprint.If you are fine with 250 then run it and report back to us.

very well said! yes, I know....thanks.

 

[monk32]

leave everything like its laid out bro... use aromasin on cycle... don't overthink now that everything is finally set up right!!

hi dylan,
I have a question on aromasin.
the one that I am purchasing comes in 25mg/ drage(?)
I dont think it's the normal pill kind which you could cut into 2, it's more rounded...maybe will try a pill cutter..
What are my options if I am not able to cut it into 2?

 

[dylangemelli]

hi dylan,
I have a question on aromasin.
the one that I am purchasing comes in 25mg/ drage(?)
I dont think it's the normal pill kind which you could cut into 2, it's more rounded...maybe will try a pill cutter..
What are my options if I am not able to cut it into 2?

have you already purchased it yet?

 

[monk32]

have you already purchased it yet?

no, i havent...was trying to figure out if i could cut it using a knife before buying...

 

[dylangemelli]

no, i havent...was trying to figure out if i could cut it using a knife before buying...

why dont you just buy it in liquid

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy

 

[monk32]

why dont you just buy it in liquid

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy

haha..i wish as well.
but the options i have from my supplier are 1 brand for each of the AIs.
I think I should be able to cut it...even if it's small, round and convex...just do it slowly...
guess i worried too much...haha...thanks...

 

[dylangemelli]

haha..i wish as well.
but the options i have from my supplier are 1 brand for each of the AIs.
I think I should be able to cut it...even if it's small, round and convex...just do it slowly...i guess.

bro, go to chemicalneed.com and buy liquid stane... that is aromasin in liquid form...

 

[monk32]

bro, go to chemicalneed.com and buy liquid stane... that is aromasin in liquid form...

unfortunately i cant as it will most likely be seized at customs...buying via my supplier...dont know how he do it but guess i shouldnt ask either...lol
just find out that the manufacturer doesnt advise splitting...could be due to it being powder form or whatever reason.
Could i switch to arimidex instead? though i prefer aromasin....and taking 25mg seems too much

 

[dylangemelli]

unfortunately i cant as it will most likely be seized at customs...buying via my supplier...dont know how he do it but guess i shouldnt ask either...lol
just find out that the manufacturer doesnt advise splitting...could be due to it being powder form or whatever reason.
Could i switch to arimidex instead? though i prefer aromasin....and taking 25mg seems too much

you could switch... a lot of guys like it... i prefer aromasin because its a suicide inhibitor but that's up to you... 25 mg eod is too much aromasin unless you are very gyno prone, otherwise 12.5 is the proper dosing... what country are you in?

 

[monk32]

you could switch... a lot of guys like it... i prefer aromasin because its a suicide inhibitor but that's up to you... 25 mg eod is too much aromasin unless you are very gyno prone, otherwise 12.5 is the proper dosing... what country are you in?

yes, i prefer aromasin becos of that as well...not sure about gyno prone since never been on a cycle...
if arimidex, will the dosage be 0.5mg eod?

Week 1 -10: arimidex OR
Week 1 -12: arimidex
since it's not a suicide inhibitor....wonder about the "rebound" which i read about...

i'm at the other end ..and it's day time here... in malaysia currently for a few months.

 

[dylangemelli]

yes, i prefer aromasin becos of that as well...not sure about gyno prone since never been on a cycle...
if arimidex, will the dosage be 0.5mg eod?

Week 1 -10: arimidex OR
Week 1 -12: arimidex
since it's not a suicide inhibitor....wonder about the "rebound" which i read about...

i'm at the other end ..and it's day time here... in malaysia currently for a few months.

that would be the proper dosage...

 

[monk32]

that would be the proper dosage...

thanks dylan.
guess will try out arimidex for this cycle and see how it goes first given my limited options currently.

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks dylan.
guess will try out arimidex for this cycle and see how it goes first given my limited options currently.

it will work good for you bro... good luck on your cycle!

 

[monk32]

thanks.
Sorry, I just realised something....I have been discussing about taking AI during cycle as a prevention for gyno, bloat etc...but what about if one do get some gyno issue when on AI? is that possible at all?
should I take precaution on that or just increased the arimidex dosage? i dont think nolva will be used to fix the gyno issue (if any) given how it will clash with arimidex....any advise?

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks.
Sorry, I just realised something....I have been discussing about taking AI during cycle as a prevention for gyno, bloat etc...but what about if one do get some gyno issue when on AI? is that possible at all?
should I take precaution on that or just increased the arimidex dosage? i dont think nolva will be used to fix the gyno issue (if any) given how it will clash with arimidex....any advise?

bro, the whole point of an ai is to either kill estrogen (aromasin) or suppress it (arimidex) so you don't get gyno... as i said, take your nolva and throw the shit away... im not sure why you keep bringing it up but its shit... if you still develop gyno issues then its probably that your AI is not legit... then you would have to go a step further and get letro to truly kill it but once again, your overthinking and making things a lot more difficult on yourself...

 

[monk32]

bro, the whole point of an ai is to either kill estrogen (aromasin) or suppress it (arimidex) so you don't get gyno... as i said, take your nolva and throw the shit away... im not sure why you keep bringing it up but its shit... if you still develop gyno issues then its probably that your AI is not legit... then you would have to go a step further and get letro to truly kill it but once again, your overthinking and making things a lot more difficult on yourself...

haha....yes...i overthink too much since i'm still reading up while waiting for post cycle to be in stock....and it's first cycle so trying to get all the info....
my apologies for that... .....no more overthinking...

 

[dylangemelli]

haha....yes...i overthink too much since i'm still reading up while waiting for post cycle to be in stock....and it's first cycle so trying to get all the info....
my apologies for that... .....no more overthinking...

its okay bro, i just hate to see you cause yourself stress that is not needed... you have everything in line, now just run it as is!

 

[monk32]

with everything purchased and in place, will be starting this sunday.
i have just 1 question....when do i take arimidex? in the morning or before bed? with food or empty stomach?

 

[dylangemelli]

with everything purchased and in place, will be starting this sunday.
i have just 1 question....when do i take arimidex? in the morning or before bed? with food or empty stomach?

anytime is fine man but i usually take mine before bed and it makes no difference with or without food...

 

[monk32]

anytime is fine man but i usually take mine before bed and it makes no difference with or without food...

Thanks!!
waiting for sunday.

 

[monk32]

finally did my first jab...at the delts.
currently weighing at 177lbs @ bf 13.5%. (after cutting down more on my bf )

The injection went well but I had a little problem trying to aspirate and injecting while the needle is already in the delt....there were some movements around but it was done in the end.
now the delt is getting sore...did i injure the muscle tissue moving the needle when it's in? will it get worse tomorrow?
I'm now worried about the soreness getting worse and unable to train....

 

[monk32]

3 days after injection, the left delt is still feeling slight ache (lesser than sun & mon) and i assume that's normal for a first-time jab??
Hope the ache dont usually last this long as I will be injecting at glutes next.

 

[monk32]

I'm currently in Week 2 and i have this question on arimidex.
I was taking 0.5mg e3d for week 1 (going for less since it's the first week and i dont think the test works right away (?))
Am going for 0.5mg eod Week 2 onwards as advised.
however, how do i know if 0.5mg e3d or 0.5mg eod is working fine or if i should reduce or increase dosage?
any advise?
thanks.

 

[claricae86]

Well the only way you would know if it wasn't working would be if gyno related problems became apparent. As long as everything is good, I would continue with .5 eod. That's what I will be doing when I start the same cycle on the 20th.

I just want to say thank you to the OP and posters in this thread. I have been researching the same cycle and have been getting conflicting info on pct. I already have test-e and clomid and was planning to pick up hcgenerate, forma, unleashed/postcycle, and daa. Thanks for solidifying that for me. It will feel good knowing that I have a killer PCT before my first pin.

 

[dylangemelli]

I'm currently in Week 2 and i have this question on arimidex.
I was taking 0.5mg e3d for week 1 (going for less since it's the first week and i dont think the test works right away (?))
Am going for 0.5mg eod Week 2 onwards as advised.
however, how do i know if 0.5mg e3d or 0.5mg eod is working fine or if i should reduce or increase dosage?
any advise?
thanks.

well bro, you know if it working if you don't have gyno and if you are not retaining water...

 

[monk32]

Well the only way you would know if it wasn't working would be if gyno related problems became apparent. As long as everything is good, I would continue with .5 eod. That's what I will be doing when I start the same cycle on the 20th.

I just want to say thank you to the OP and posters in this thread. I have been researching the same cycle and have been getting conflicting info on pct. I already have test-e and clomid and was planning to pick up hcgenerate, forma, unleashed/postcycle, and daa. Thanks for solidifying that for me. It will feel good knowing that I have a killer PCT before my first pin.

same cycle ...great!
all the best to you on the cycle!!

 

[monk32]

well bro, you know if it working if you don't have gyno and if you are not retaining water...

hey dylan,
i am defintely not having either so it is working as it is but i will do 0.5mg eod this week on as planned.
thanks!

 

[jerome simpson]

I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on having an AI like stane on hand, but not taking it unless any symptoms of gyno show up? As in, keep going with Test only all the way through a cycle, possibly the whole way, without having to use the AI. Monk could be taking a chemical when he doesn't even need it (not trying to get you worried again man, it is probably semantics).

I've read that eliminating estrogen can hinder gains? Any truth to that?

Thanks.

 

[moya]

honestly, i would go 375/wk... 2 shots/wk of .75mL each...
seems like that juuuussst rigghht dose for a first cycle to me...

 

[monk32]

It's now week 3 and the injections are going fine with both glutes and delts...not that much soreness like the first pin.
Dont seem to feel anything difference yet in strength or weight since it's only week3...i believed it's still early since i read that test e takes effect week 4-5 onwards.
I have increased my calories slowly every week and am now at 4000 this week from 3200 before starting the cycle.
My question - do i need to keep increasing my calories intake for the next couple of weeks while waiting for test e to take effect or should i stay at 4000 for now until my weight increases??
my macros are 49 P/ 26 C/ 25 F
i'm on 0.5 eod this week and so far havent feel any differences yet when compared to 0.5 e3d during week1-2.....or does it take a couple of weeks more when test e takes effect to feel the difference?
any comments/ advises please.
Thanks.

 

[monk32]

any advise/ comment on increasing my calories or stay on 4000 until there is changes to the weight??

 

[moya]

how far is that above your maintenance level?...
if you dont know, how long were you eating at 3200, and in that time, how much weight did you gain or lose?.... need those answers to answer your question really....

 

[monk32]

how far is that above your maintenance level?...
if you dont know, how long were you eating at 3200, and in that time, how much weight did you gain or lose?.... need those answers to answer your question really....

i'm on 3200 for last 3 months to lose some fats/weight which i put on last year when i ate at 3500.
i didnt lose any more weight when on 3200 but lower the fats % instead.
i believed at 4000 is already above my maintenance since i put on 3-4lbs a month when on 3500.
i think i could go more than 4000 as i'm normally hungry...

 

[moya]

then i would either:
stay where you are until you see gains stop or slow
or
increase as much as you want but keep it clean in that scenario...
if you are going for size then i think you cant go wrong increasing your clean calories ever... especially on cycle...

 

[monk32]

then i would either:
stay where you are until you see gains stop or slow
or
increase as much as you want but keep it clean in that scenario...
if you are going for size then i think you cant go wrong increasing your clean calories ever... especially on cycle...

i see, i think i'll go for increasing in clean calories instead....definitely going for size especially on cycle..thanks!

 

[monk32]

i know test e supposed to take effect ranging from as fast as week 3 to as long as week 6....depending on individual...
but how does one know when the test e kicks in since it's my first cycle? any signs to look out for?
i could be training hard, eating more and if the test e is already in effect, i might not even know ...just wondering...

 

[monk32]

any one?
just want to know what to look out for so as to know when my body response since everyone responses differently....

 

[dylangemelli]

normally it will kick in about week 5 and bro, you will be able to tell by your performance in the gym...

 

[monk32]

normally it will kick in about week 5 and bro, you will be able to tell by your performance in the gym...

oh...by performance in the gym....haha...
alrite...i will gauge for myself and hope it happens week 5...
thanks dylan!

 

[dylangemelli]

you'll know when it kicks in bro... you will have a superman feeling everytime your training... you will know...

 

[monk32]

hey guys,
I have a problem here.
I was pinning my 9th injection yesterday for Week 5 when I finished up the first bot of test e and it's not even 1ml and I'm missing 1 more shot for Week 5.
This means that I have been reading my syringe wrong (which i dont understand how it could be) and injecting more than 1ml (?) for the last 8 pins.
Is this common - not having enough for the last 1 or 2 injections even though it's a 10ml bot? (supposed to last 10 injections)
I didnt top up the missing 0.2ml from 2nd bot so should i inject 1.2ml for the next injection this week to make it 500mg?
I am getting a third bot as there will not be enough for Week10 since 1 bot can last only 9 injections.
Please advise.
Thanks.

 

[monk32]

i have been passed some proviron (70 tabs x 25mg), do you think it's fine to add it into this first cycle? or keep them for next one?
if yes, at what dosage? 25mg or 50mg? and at which week?

 

[monk32]

currently reaching end of week 5, my weight increased by 4 lbs and a little of strength increase....
diet is currently at 4400 calories for last 2 weeks.
wondering if everything is going the right direction..with the little increase in weight and strength (?)...starting to feel worried and hope next week at week6, things will move up more......

 

[monk32]

hey guys,
i think i have a problem.
I'm currently at mid of week 6 but i have not had any huge increase in weight or in strength yet...the only increase in weight was 4lbs during week 4-5 and a little strength increased so far.
I'm currently on 4400 calories since week 3, should i increase my calories? It seems high given my calories intake was 3200 before cycle but I will increase it further if needed.
Due to this, I am taking arimidex .5mg e3d to see if that could be the problem...just in case .5mg eod is too much...
Could I be one of those that react slower to test e?? and see the increase during week 7 or 8?
please advise...getting worried of what could be wrong...since I have been training and eating hard....

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I dont have time to read this long thread but 4lbs in almost 7 weeks at 4400 calories a day?
What is your cycle and stats, what are you taking....cuz this is pathetic my man....as I did so something about 500mg of test/week.

hey guys,
i think i have a problem.
I'm currently at mid of week 6 but i have not had any huge increase in weight or in strength yet...the only increase in weight was 4lbs during week 4-5 and a little strength increased so far.
I'm currently on 4400 calories since week 3, should i increase my calories? It seems high given my calories intake was 3200 before cycle but I will increase it further if needed.
Due to this, I am taking arimidex .5mg e3d to see if that could be the problem...just in case .5mg eod is too much...
Could I be one of those that react slower to test e?? and see the increase during week 7 or 8?
please advise...getting worried of what could be wrong...since I have been training and eating hard....

 

[TheSVPdeal]

hey guys,
i think i have a problem.
I'm currently at mid of week 6 but i have not had any huge increase in weight or in strength yet...the only increase in weight was 4lbs during week 4-5 and a little strength increased so far.
I'm currently on 4400 calories since week 3, should i increase my calories? It seems high given my calories intake was 3200 before cycle but I will increase it further if needed.
Due to this, I am taking arimidex .5mg e3d to see if that could be the problem...just in case .5mg eod is too much...
Could I be one of those that react slower to test e?? and see the increase during week 7 or 8?
please advise...getting worried of what could be wrong...since I have been training and eating hard....

I normally get going really good at about 9.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I normally get going really good at about 9.

At middle of week 6 taking slightly higher then 500mg of test a week, I would say 4lbs is pathetic. Being first cycle he should be going like a beast. Not.... I don't know if I feel it, only slight increase in weights i'm throwing around. All IMO of course.

 

[monk32]

I dont have time to read this long thread but 4lbs in almost 7 weeks at 4400 calories a day?
What is your cycle and stats, what are you taking....cuz this is pathetic my man....as I did so something about 500mg of test/week.

i'm doing test e 500mg per week (250mg x2)
arimidex 0.5mg eod/ e3d
stat: 5'11" @177lbs, bf 13.5%
at end of week 5, 181lbs...
i keep my diet relatively clean..and was at 4400 calories starting from week3. (slowly increasing it during week1-2)
before cycle, i can put on 8lbs in 2 months on 3600 calories. (of which 50% is fats gain due to high carbs)
this is why i'm getting worried...given i ate a lot and train 5 days a week..

 

[monk32]

I normally get going really good at about 9.

week9?! seriously? on test e??
week9 is almost ending for me...and i thought keeping it simple for a first cycle should be good....sigh....
hopefully, it gets going next week at week7...

 

[monk32]

At middle of week 6 taking slightly higher then 500mg of test a week, I would say 4lbs is pathetic. Being first cycle he should be going like a beast. Not.... I don't know if I feel it, only slight increase in weights i'm throwing around. All IMO of course.

yes i know 4lbs is pathetic ..which is why i'm getting a little worried and start asking now what could be the issue...
i dont want to ask too early and seem impatient given it takes normally 3-6 weeks for test e to kick in.....unless i'm one of those whose really slow in responsing....

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

i'm doing test e 500mg per week (250mg x2)
arimidex 0.5mg eod/ e3d
stat: 5'11" @177lbs, bf 13.5%
at end of week 5, 181lbs...
i keep my diet relatively clean..and was at 4400 calories starting from week3. (slowly increasing it during week1-2)
before cycle, i can put on 8lbs in 2 months on 3600 calories. (of which 50% is fats gain due to high carbs)
this is why i'm getting worried...given i ate a lot and train 5 days a week..

Shouldn't be going wait tell week 7, its week 9 for me...etc. You start getting gains 2-3 weeks in, and like Dylan said week 5 BAM..I'd be double checking your source. The rest is nonsense. JMO man.

 

[Pac12footballl]

I'm on week 7 of test 500mg a week with dbol and I have gained 28 pounds. So 4 lbs sounds wrong. I know I have the dbol but still. And also you should be getting massive erections at night. I do every night it even wakes me up. I know its the test doing its thing. So check your source sounds bunk

 

[monk32]

it did occur to me whether my source could be bunk...but someone in the gym bought var from the same source and it works very well...lean out and strength increased...
plus given I'm on 4400 calories, if it's bunk, shouldnt i be very fat now given i have taken in way too much calories...i can gain weight on 3600 calories before..so i'm getting confused as well...either way, not gaining much weight seems wrong....
i'm not throwing weights like a beast in the gym but there's some slight strength increase (not like what I read in other threads), good pumps, a little acne here and there...so i dont know what's wrong...

 

[timetogethuge1940]

maybe you are not gaining much weight because your body comp is changing.. do u see any differences when you look in the mirror?
there could be a lot of things going on.. just be patient with it.

 

[monk32]

maybe you are not gaining much weight because your body comp is changing.. do u see any differences when you look in the mirror?
there could be a lot of things going on.. just be patient with it.

oh...body comp is changing?
not that much diff i guess and waist is still around the same...not losing much there.....
yes...guess have to wait out the remaining weeks...

 

[timetogethuge1940]

i sent you a pm.. respond to it !!

 

[monk32]

i sent you a pm.. respond to it !!

i did, thanks!!

 

[monk32]

any one else has advices on my post#78 problem??

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Shouldn't be going wait tell week 7, its week 9 for me...etc. You start getting gains 2-3 weeks in, and like Dylan said week 5 BAM..I'd be double checking your source. The rest is nonsense. JMO man.

The ester for E is so long that it should take 4-5 weeks to notice anything at 500mg. My first cycle just really started going at about 6. By 9 I was killing it. Long ester cycles should be longer than 10 weeks. Best to go 15. I'm doing 10 weeks of prop right now.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

The ester for E is so long that it should take 4-5 weeks to notice anything at 500mg. My first cycle just really started going at about 6. By 9 I was killing it. Long ester cycles should be longer than 10 weeks. Best to go 15. I'm doing 10 weeks of prop right now.

Agree and disagree, he is running enough cals and at almost week 7 I can gain 4lbs and alittle strength in 7 weeks with a different program and zero Gear. I agree on the long ester running longer I go 17 weeks. But am now gonna start all short cycles, prop, Tren a, NPP, etc.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Agree and disagree, he is running enough cals and at almost week 7 I can gain 4lbs and alittle strength in 7 weeks with a different program and zero Gear. I agree on the long ester running longer I go 17 weeks. But am now gonna start all short cycles, prop, Tren a, NPP, etc.

Short is my new game too. The reality is that gear or no gear, he should be growing from those cals alone. So guess what? Maybe he's not eating as much as he thinks.

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Short is my new game too. The reality is that gear or no gear, he should be growing from those cals alone. So guess what? Maybe he's not eating as much as he thinks.

Well on that note......We may have a BINGO.

 

[sterolizer]

Pictures would help us determine what's going on as far as body changes, do you have any before posing pics that you can compare to how you look now?

 

[TheSVPdeal]

How about taking a picture of everything you eat and see if it's as much as you think?

 

[monk32]

Short is my new game too. The reality is that gear or no gear, he should be growing from those cals alone. So guess what? Maybe he's not eating as much as he thinks.

yes...i know that could be the question next ..whether i'm actually eating as much as i thought i am...since i have read the threads others posted..
I keep a log of the food i eat and i eat the same food daily except cheat day.
Here's a summarized diet for a day:
14 eggs: 55 proteins, 3 carbs, 15 fats = 367 calories
oatmeal: 5P, 22C, 3F = 129
1 multigrain peanut butter sandwich: 11P, 32C, 12F = 276
500g salmon: 108P, 0C, 30F = 730
400g chicken breast: 104P, 0C, 16F = 560
150g brown rice: 12P. 115C, 4F = 544
1 x green apple: 0P, 19C, 0F = 76
4 x protein shake: 88P, 52C, 24F = 760
1 x post workout shake: 42P, 65C, 10F = 517
1 x better protein bar: 26P, 36C, 21F = 414
2 serving vegatable: 4P, 8C, 1F = 60

estimated total: 450P, 350C, 135F = 4400 calories
I do eat this much since week3.
i read thru the threads and i know you have to eat a lot to grow while on cycle...i was on 3200 calories as i'm trying to lower BF before starting the cycle...same time last year, i gained 8lbs on 3600calories in 2 months.
i could add some greek yogurt and a couple of protein bars to up the calories further but it just puzzled me and getting me all confused given I eat this much and only 4lbs so far...like what Gorilla-Pharma said...it's pathetic..
but i do hope it gets better next week....really hoping...

 

[monk32]

Pictures would help us determine what's going on as far as body changes, do you have any before posing pics that you can compare to how you look now?

unfortunately..i didnt took any..
i thought it's gotta be easy to eat more and train hard...and increased the weight since most people reported a noticable increase.
i monitor by weighing myself and my pant sizes....lol
pant never got tighter or looser...weight never go up much after week5..
if the body changes, shouldnt there be any increase or decrease in body weight as well...like losing more BF or gain some muscles...?