COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF fails to protect his people, Congressional hearings on the way

[the nature boy]

That post, buddy, just proves what I was saying. Nowhere in there is there any specific information about when and where this event was going to take place. So, I ask again, what could Bush have done to prevent this?

come on man, are the terrorists supposed to tell our anti terrorist people exactly what their plans were? no way!! They had more than enough clues to know that something was going to go down. And there are anti-terrorist professionals that get paid to prevent stuff like 9-11 from happening, and they didnt' do their job.

 

[p0ink]

gympoppa, i thought you served in a branch of the united states military??

 

[buddy28]

From reports I have heard thus far it appears other groups such as the Senate Intelligence committee knew about a general terrorism risk based on non-specific threats received.

not exactly.

Both National Security Advisor to the President, Condelezza Rice, and Sen. Richard Shelby -R, who serves on senate intelligence committee state that other Intelligence committee members recieved the same classified report as the President.

"....he [Sen. Richard Shelby] said the top members of the House and Senate intelligence committees -- himself; Graham; Florida GOP Rep. Porter Goss, the House Intelligence Committee chairman; and California Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the House panel's ranking Democrat -- received the same classified information as the president.

Rice also told Senate Democrats in a meeting Thursday that some of them were privy to the same information. "
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/16/bush.sept.11/index.html


But Grahm D-Florida and Rep. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, both Intelligence Committee members, are quoted in that same article as having recieved a censored version of the Intelligence report given to Bush on August 6th, 2001 which *did* *not* suggest Al Queda may be ploting to hijack commercial airliners, or claimed they never received the classified intelligence report at all.

"Graham told reporters he and his colleagues were given a less detailed briefing than the one given to the president, and said he was never given information about potential hijackings.

And some members of the intelligence committees complained that they had not been informed at all.

"That information should have been given to us, and it wasn't," said Rep. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, a member of the House Intelligence Committee."
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/16/bush.sept.11/index.html

 

[buddy28]

come on man, are the terrorists supposed to tell our anti terrorist people exactly what their plans were? no way!! They had more than enough clues to know that something was going to go down. And there are anti-terrorist professionals that get paid to prevent stuff like 9-11 from happening, and they didnt' do their job.

oh yea. A massive investigation is necessary.

Scary to think Cheney was trying to sweep this 'little incident' under the rug.


"Daschle said that Vice President Dick Cheney had "requested on several occasions that we not have an inquiry" into what intelligence the administration had before the hijackings and how they acted on it."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html

 

[gymnpoppa]

gympoppa, i thought you served in a branch of the united states military??

I did.......Navy. I was on a carrier, near Libya when the first terrorist attack happened.....(damn do I feel old now)

intelligence........believe it or not.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Scary to think Cheney was trying to sweep this 'little incident' under the rug.


"Daschle said that Vice President Dick Cheney had "requested on several occasions that we not have an inquiry" into what intelligence the administration had before the hijackings and how they acted on it."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html

Actually this is par for the course of this administration, and all others.......hide the questionable stuff from the public.

I hope that out of this, we reform our fed government. Is anybody else tired of the corrupt, partisan, bullshit games?

The whole system needs to be trashed, and honesty, and integrity needs to be the cornerstones of future administrations.
Not saying that the public needs to know all things, but the covert missions we take part in, and violent, murderous regimes we support, and train, need to be stopped.

That is the real reason we are hated....our dirty deeds.

Not our lifestyle. Envy? Yes, it is the first cousin of anger.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

This shit is fucking pathetic.

CIA, FBI had thousands of possiblities as to al-queda attacks
People bitch now about unnecessary security measures, like the bridges in CA, and this is after 9/11. If Bush had shut down the airports on 9/10, the nation would have been irrate, and noone would believe his actions were necesary. The war plan on his desk didnt have any urgent time frame associated with it. Implementing the plan would have been a huge, military, economic, and political action, and Bush would not have scanned it over in a day and stamped OK on it.

Hindsight is 20/20, and not one fucking person ever said anything about a hijacker using a commercial plane in a suicide attack. Every hijacked plane, prior to 9/11, ever, in history, had landed safely. That is why what happened never crossed anyones mind. It was unimaginable, prior to 9/11.

And fuck anyone who says Bush should have admitted prior knowledge on, or shortly after Sept 11. On 9/11 the nation was economically and emotionally fucked. I dont care if the hijackers called GW on the way to the airport and told him, his #1 priority on 9/11 was the well being and mentality of the American people. I dont give a fuck if what he said was true, as long as it helped calm the country down.

Its easy to think rationally now, but dont forget how fucked the nation was and the myriad of rumors flying everywhere.

There is no one person, or group, that is responsible for the attack on 9/11. Neither president, Clinton or Bush, would have ever let that shit happed to the American people for their own political gain. Every congressman or elected official has to juggle what they feel is the right and safe thing to do, with what the people will view as the right thing to do, in order to stay in office. The CIA, FBI, and NSA are all fucking incredible at what they do and they do it because they want to make America safe. They could easily have prevented all hijackings if it were not for the stupid fuckin citizens that bitch and whine if they have to wait in line at the checkout for 30 min. Look at airline security in Israel. We could easily do that, but americans are not that patient.

Before 9/11, nobody imagined a hijacker killing himself and passengers. Our self-preservation instinct was so deeply ingraved in us, the suicide attack never even crossed our mind.
Nobody was ready for, not Clinton, not Bush, not the CIA, not the FBI, not the NSA.

We got fucked because it was an unconventional attack that nobody was prepared for.

We need to quit the finger pointing bullshit, work together, and realize what else we are not prepared for, fast.

 

[buddy28]

Hindsight is 20/20, and not one fucking person ever said anything about a hijacker using a commercial plane in a suicide attack. Every hijacked plane, prior to 9/11, ever, in history, had landed safely. That is why what happened never crossed anyones mind. It was unimaginable, prior to 9/11.

You should change your name to Condelleza Rice. She made the same erroneous assumption suicide hijackings had never been considered by the US Federal Government prior to sept 11th, just like you:


1999 Report Warned of Suicide Hijack
Fri May 17,12:57 PM ET
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0020517/ap_on_go_pr_wh/attacks_1999_warning_2
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Exactly two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, a federal report warned the executive branch that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s terrorists might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon (news - web sites) or other government building.

"Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al-Qaida's Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives (C-4 and semtex) into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) (CIA (news - web sites)), or the White House," the September 1999 report said.

The report, entitled the "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?," described the suicide hijacking as one of several possible retribution attacks al-Qaida might seek for the 1998 U.S. airstrike against bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan (news - web sites).

The report noted that an al-Qaida-linked terrorist first arrested in the Philippines in 1995 and later convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing had suggested such a suicide jetliner mission.

"Ramzi Yousef had planned to do this against the CIA headquarters," author Rex Hudson wrote in a report prepared for the National Intelligence Council and shared with other federal agencies.

The intelligence council is attached to the CIA and is made up of a dozen senior intelligence officers who assist the U.S. intelligence community in analysis of threats and priorities.

The report contrasts with Bush administration officials' assertions that none in government had imagined an attack like Sept. 11 before that time.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said Thursday.

The report was written by the Federal Research Division, an arm of the Library of Congress (news - web sites) that provides research for various federal agencies under contracts.

The report was based solely on open-source information that the federal researchers gathered about the likely threats of terrorists, according to Robert L. Worden, the division's chief he federal research division...."

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[Immortal Juicer]

You should change your name to Condelleza Rice. She made the same erroneous assumption suicide hijackings had never been considered by the US Federal Government prior to sept 11th, just like you:

It had been considered, but only by a special committee formed for the sole purpose of brainstorming terrorist ideas. They came up with hundreds of other possibilities as well. It is a damn hard job for the CIA and FBI to identify which one of the numerous deadly possibilities was the most probable to occur and then implement strategy to defend against it.

Now for example, has the US deployed hundreds of chemical weapon agent specialists and scientists across the US to prepare for the all of the possible chemical attacks? Anthrax, smallpox, sarin gas, ebola, or any of the other possibilities? What about a nuclear dirty bomb smuggled into the country, or a contamination of any of the nations cities drinking water reserves? Are we ready for a suicide bomber to run into a church this Sunday, in any chuch across the country? What if a chemical agent is released in an international airport and spread thoroughout the world in a few days? Is every airport in the US ready for it? What about all the incoming flights from other countries?

There are literally endless possibilities for terrorist attacks. The CIA and FBI has to decide which ones are the most threatening, and how much of a response is justifyable by the american people? What happens if we get a immediate credible threat that al-queda was going to contaminate one or more cities water supply within the next 2 days. How many resources do you allocate to prevent the threat from happening? What if it doesnt? You are just out a shitload of money and time. Worse, what if you do, and a chemical weapon is released in a major city, or more?

Any of those attacks are possible. If it happens tomorrow, I'm not going to blame someone and say that it is plain as day they were going to do it, all you had to do was connect the dots.

We did connect the dots. And when we did we saw the 9/11 attacks, as well as the many, many, many possible attacks that were just as possible, and just as deadly.

You cant cover your entire body. Cover high, and you are open low, cover low and you are open high. No matter how hard you try, you are always going to have a vulenrability. We need to do what we are doing, cover our eyes and balls, and implement that plan and kick the shit out of them. Thats the only way to be 100% invulnerable to their attack, kill them.

We cant block and cover our way to victory.

 

[strongchick]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

http://www.newsday.com/news/nytwa96-gore906.story

Clinton and Gore made significant proposals that would enact measures to counteract terrorism that were ignored or ballyhooed by the Republican party.

That's ok. Clinton getting his dick sucked was way more important than the 3000 lives sacrificed.