COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF fails to protect his people, Congressional hearings on the way

[primetime21]

let me get this straight. Some of the bombers didnt know what their mission was until they were at the airport the day of the bombing. YET, you think the president could have stopped it???

The only way to have stopped these attacks (of which there was no date known) was to gather up all the arabs in the US and lock them up because none of the suicude bombers were on any wanted list". Is that what you were suggesting Ryanh? That isnt very liberal of you. Sounds like you have some racism in ya.

Finally, it pisses me off when americans try to blame either clinton or bush for this tragedy!! It was no ones fault but the men (most saudi me, our "great allies') who planned and carried out the attacks.

 

[The Almighty]

let me get this straight. Some of the bombers didnt know what their mission was until they were at the airport the day of the bombing. YET, you think the president could have stopped it???

The only way to have stopped these attacks (of which there was no date known) was to gather up all the arabs in the US and lock them up because none of the suicude bombers were on any wanted list". Is that what you were suggesting Ryanh? That isnt very liberal of you. Sounds like you have some racism in ya.

Finally, it pisses me off when americans try to blame either clinton or bush for this tragedy!! It was no ones fault but the men (most saudi me, our "great allies') who planned and carried out the attacks.

Exactly. Word is that many of the hijakers did not even know they were going to die until they saw the WTC approaching them at 400 miles an hour.

I thought that RyanH had hit rock bottom the day he suggested that Ms. Yates not be severly punished for drowning her four children, even though proof was shown that she had been thinking about it for months in advance.

Now he says it is our republican government, namely Bush, who is at fault for 9/11 coming to be.

RyanH, to come up with the horseshit that you do, it is obvious you are very creative, so lets do some roll playing here. Pretend you are our Commander in Chief, and you get a memo from your advisors stating that maybe sometime in the future, Bin Laden may attack the United States, and that maybe airplanes might be involved. You, however, have no idea how or even if airplanes will be involved, you have no suspects, and pretty much no proof. What would you do?

 

[RyanH]

RyanH, to come up with the horseshit that you do, it is obvious you are very creative, so lets do some roll playing here. Pretend you are our Commander in Chief, and you get a memo from your advisors stating that maybe sometime in the future, Bin Laden may attack the United States, and that maybe airplanes might be involved. You, however, have no idea how or even if airplanes will be involved, you have no suspects, and pretty much no proof. What would you do?

Well, first of all, I certainly wouldn't attempt to cover-up my INACTION for months as the Bush Administration has done. The same Republicans who chastised Congresswoman McKinney for alleging that Bush received warning of impending attacks are now the same Republicans who possibly had knowledge that Congresswoman McKinney was indeed telling the truth----Bush did receive warning of a serious terrorist threat prior to 9-11.

Second--I would have certainly taken extreme actions such as the Clinton Administration did during the Milleninum attacks by beefing up security, particularly at airports. Afterall, the FBI currently doesn't have a problem informing the American people of terrorist threats. Somehow, however, under the Bush Administration the people were kept in the dark. Compare that to the notice the American people were given under President Clinton during the milleninum.

Bush's cover-up of his failure to act is perhaps worse than the failure itself.

 

[Rommel]

Well, first of all, I certainly wouldn't attempt to cover-up my INACTION for months as the Bush Administration has done. The same Republicans who chastised Congresswoman McKinney for alleging that Bush received warning of impending attacks are now the same Republicans who possibly had knowledge that Congresswoman McKinney was indeed telling the truth----Bush did receive warning of a serious terrorist threat prior to 9-11.

Second--I would have certainly taken extreme actions such as the Clinton Administration did during the Milleninum attacks by beefing up security, particularly at airports. Afterall, the FBI currently doesn't have a problem informing the American people of terrorist threats. Somehow, however, under the Bush Administration the people were kept in the dark. Compare that to the notice the American people were given under President Clinton during the milleninum.

Bush's cover-up of his failure to act is perhaps worse than the failure itself.

Why don't you stick you finger up your ass and tell me how it smells....Good day

 

[RyanH]

Why don't you stick you finger up your ass and tell me how it smells....

that interested, eh?

 

[The Almighty]

Well, first of all, I certainly wouldn't attempt to cover-up my INACTION for months as the Bush Administration has done. The same Republicans who chastised Congresswoman McKinney for alleging that Bush received warning of impending attacks are now the same Republicans who possibly had knowledge that Congresswoman McKinney was indeed telling the truth----Bush did receive warning of a serious terrorist threat prior to 9-11.

Second--I would have certainly taken extreme actions such as the Clinton Administration did during the Milleninum attacks by beefing up security, particularly at airports. Afterall, the FBI currently doesn't have a problem informing the American people of terrorist threats. Somehow, however, under the Bush Administration the people were kept in the dark. Compare that to the notice the American people were given under President Clinton during the milleninum.

Bush's cover-up of his failure to act is perhaps worse than the failure itself.

Okie Dokie, and how effective do you think that these increased security measures at airports would have proven themselves to be? Honestly, before 9/11 did anybody even think twice about box cutters or explosives being hidden inside a persons nikes?

While we are on the roll playing scenario, if you were again our president and word came round that an abnormally large amount of arabs were attending flight schools all over the united states, how would you deal with that? Obviously, since you are a bleeding-heart liberal, targeting only arabian citizens would be way out of line, so I would like to hear your ideas of what to do.

 

[gymnpoppa]

not at all....I think the President should be investigated and have his actions scrutinized by the American people as well as Congress, in the same way that President Clinton had his actions scrutinized for 8 years (and even to this day).


I agree with this. Seeing as how there is a continous conflict of interest between current (Thomas White), and former officials who own, and "work" for companies whose bottom line is adjusted by government decisions. YES, scrutinize ALL of the administrations actions. and BAN presidential appointments relating to these matters. UNCONDITIONALLY!



If we force the Bush administration to tell us what they know, we might hear things that we will never wish we had. Americans would simply hole up in their homes if they were privy to all the threats that the government receives and the FBI warns of.


I sincerely hope that the American public wakes up, and demands accountability, and answers for ALL administration's actions.

If any of you don't believe our government is corrupt, and in need of reform, your lack of education is sad. You're very uninformed.

For those of you who know that things aren't right, but choose to point the finger at other's corruptness, instead of being honorable enough to admit your own HYPOCRISY, and deplorable behavior of your party, your lack of intelligence is sad.


This country needs to hear things that might account for some of this ingrained corrupted behavior some of you keep voting into office. Members using the word commie/facist, as though it was true.
Not even seeing the idiotic logic you employ EVERY time you use it.


I wonder how long does it take to build up a belief that you're representing a decent, mature person?

 

[buddy28]

RyanH, to come up with the horseshit that you do, it is obvious you are very creative, so lets do some roll playing here. Pretend you are our Commander in Chief, and you get a memo from your advisors stating that maybe sometime in the future, Bin Laden may attack the United States, and that maybe airplanes might be involved. You, however, have no idea how or even if airplanes will be involved, you have no suspects, and pretty much no proof. What would you do?

This is a good example of how uninformed many people are of the numerous crediable warnings the US Government recevied prior to sept 11th, suggesting a massive terrorist attack using hijacked civilian aircraft was being plannned by US Al Queda operatives.


ARTICLES INDICATING CIA FOREWARING OF IMMINENT TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST US DOMESTIC TARGETS RELAYED FROM ALLIED INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES

1) "By David Wastell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem
(Filed: 16/09/2001)
http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml
ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.
The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.
The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation."


2) Mossad warned CIA of attacks - report
http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/17/News/News.34954.html

"By Douglas Davis
LONDON (September 17) - Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and the FBI that a cell of up to 200 terrorists was planning a major operation, according to a report in the Sunday Telegraph here yesterday. "


3) Germany - On September 14, the German newspaper
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) reported that "U.S. and
Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least
three months ago that Middle eastern terrorists were planning
to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important
symbols of American and Israeli culture."

According to a report filed by the Post-Newsweek information service,
"The FAZ, quoting unnamed German Intelligence sources, said that
the Echelon spy network was being used to collect information
about the terrorist threats, and that U.K. intelligence services
apparently also had advance warning. The FAZ, one of Germany's
most respected dailies, said that even as far back as six months
ago, western and near-east press services were receiving
information that such attacks were being  planned. "Within
the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken
seriously and surveillance intensified"

NOTE: Echelon is a highly secret technical intelligence gathering
system used to monitor worldwide communications and coordinated
in the U.S. by the National Security Agency. Participating countries,
who eavesdrop on the citizens of the other member countries -- to
avoid civil restrictions preventing governments from spying on their
own citizens -- then pool and share their information. Participating
countries include the U.S., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Great
Britain and Germany. The eavesdropping covers both telephone
and email communications.

4) June 2001 - German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]


5) Summer 2001 - Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25
terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide missions.
This is reported in the Russian press and news stories are translated
for FTW by a retired CIA officer.

6) 14. August 2001 - Russian President Vladimir Putin orders
Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest
possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government
buildings. [Source: MS-NBC interview with Putin, September 15.]

 

[The Almighty]

That post, buddy, just proves what I was saying. Nowhere in there is there any specific information about when and where this event was going to take place. So, I ask again, what could Bush have done to prevent this?

 

[buddy28]

That post, buddy, just proves what I was saying. Nowhere in there is there any specific information about when and where this event was going to take place. So, I ask again, what could Bush have done to prevent this?

actually, no it doesnt. I suggest you read the articles again.


When?

Isreali, and Russian Intelligence agencies made it a point in August to inform the CIA IMMINENT terrorist attacks were being planned against US domestic landmarks using hijacked US civilian aircraft.


Where?

Domestic US.


The Bush Administration did not require the exact time and place the terrorist attacks were expected to be carried out in order to foil the sept 11th plot.

Had the Bush Administration informed the FBI's Counter Terrorism Unit to step up federal investigations into 'suspicous' US resident aliens, of middle eastern decent, who exhibited an interest in flight lessons and also exhibited a possible aflliation with Osama Bin Laden or Al Queda, the central recommendations in a report filed by FBI feild agents stationed in Phenioex Arizona, suggesting swift and immediate federal investigation into all nonresident US aliens of middle eastern decent enrolled in national flight schools, would have been expeditously carried out.

"Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden......

In the memo from the Phoenix FBI office to headquarters, the agents recommended an urgent nationwide review of flight schools "for any information that supports Phoenix's suspicions" of a terrorist connection. The memo reportedly cited bin Laden by name."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html


In addition, if the White House had chosen to inform the FBI numerous crediable threats existed against US commercial avaition carriers by middle eastern terrorist groups, possibly intending the target of US landmarks with hijacked aircraft, detailed investigations wouldve been intiated into *several* suspected 9/11 conspirators identified by the FBI and CIA prior to sept 11th, revealing such a plot was indeed in the works.......


ARTICLES INDICATING FBI FOREKNOWLEDGE US RESIDENT ALIENS ASSOCIATED WITH OSAMA BIN LADEN ENROLLED IN FLIGHT SCHOOL POSSIBLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF HIJACKING US CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT

1) 1) U.S. warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack
buildings
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html

"September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:54 PM EDT (1754 GMT)
By Maria Ressa
CNN Correspondent

MANILA, Philippines (CNN) -- The FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN.

Philippine authorities learned of the plot after a small fire in a Manila apartment, which turned out to be the hideout of Ramzi Yousef, who was later convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Yousef escaped at the time, but agents caught his right-hand man, Abdul Hakim Murad, who told them a chilling tale.

"Murad narrated to us about a plan by the Ramzi cell in the continental U.S. to hijack a commercial plane and ram it into the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, and also the Pentagon," said Rodolfo Mendoza, a Philippine intelligence investigator.

Philippine investigators also found evidence targeting commercial towers in San Francisco, Chicago and New York City.

They said they passed that information on to the FBI in 1995, but it's not clear what was done with it.

.......(Murad) was principally recruited by Yousef's group and *bin Laden's* group to undertake a suicide mission," said Avelino Razon, superintendent for the Philippine National Police.

Yousef was eventually caught in Pakistan and brought to New York for trial. He was sentenced to life in prison. Murad is also serving a life sentence."

2) FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A10840-2001Sep22&notFound=true

"Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States and abroad, according to interviews and court testimony."

3) Eagan flight trainer wouldn't let unease about Moussaoui rest
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html

"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- When a Twin Cities flight instructor phoned the FBI last August to alert the agency that a terrorist might be taking lessons to fly a jumbo jet, he did it in a dramatic way:

"Do you realize how serious this is?" the instructor asked an FBI agent. "This man wants training on a 747. A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon!"

4) Hijack Plot Suspicions Raised With FBI in Aug.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A49567-2002Jan1

"Washington Post
January 2, 2002:
An FBI agent and a Minnesota flight school official discussed the possibility that alleged terrorist conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui was part of a hijacking plot before the Sept. 11 attacks in New York and Washington, according to a letter obtained by The Washington Post.”  

5) Clues Mounted Before Sept. 11
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020516/ap_on_go_pr_wh/attacks_connecting_dots_1

Thu May 16, 4:43 PM ET
By NANCY BENAC, Associated Press Writer
"Also last August, the CIA told the Immigration and Naturalization Service to add two men — eventual hijackers — to its watch list, to prohibit them from entering the country. The INS told the CIA it believed the men were already in the United States, information then relayed to the FBI."



.....which makes one wonder why Dick Cheney asked Senate majority leader Tom Daschle not to intiate any congressional investigation into the apparent 'intelligence failure' which precipitated the sept 11th attacks:

"Daschle said that Vice President Dick Cheney had "requested on several occasions that we not have an inquiry" into what intelligence the administration had before the hijackings and how they acted on it."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/warningmemo020516.html