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Coleman vs CroCop?
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Coleman always has a chance with his kind of strength. But he won't be able to use it to manhandle CroCop, who has fair strength, good takedown defense, and great balance. If you get a chance to see UFC 17, watch Coleman get kicked in his head so hard by Pete Williams, you'll feel it at home. Mirko kicks harder than Williams, and Coleman will be as immobile a target as he's ever had to aim at.
Big Rick Rock
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The real question is:
Can Fedor be beaten? by who?
Can Fedor be beaten? by who?
Disclaimer: Almost anyone can be beaten by almost anyone else at almost any time.Almost all statements by snypr assume there are no abnormal cucumstances, freak accidents (e.g. Randy-Vitor),suck ref, suck judges, etc.Big Rick Rock said:
NOBODY I know of can phukk w/Fedor. I like CroCop alot, but I admit Fedor is a little more well-rounded, weighs about 20 lbs more(20 lbs is nothing, but if everything else is equal, it's something), and he's beaten Nogueira twice. Nog beat CroCop. He was getting his ass served to him up to the end, but he still won with a submission.
Randy Couture would have a chance(a chance, I said) if he moved up in weight and Dana White could arrange the fight, but neither will happen.
The next closest guy is Andrei Arlovski, who is a BEAST, but doesn't have enough experience with super-polished fighters.
The best thing a fighter could do is avoid Fedor,train hard, and wait for Fedor to get past his prime.
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Snypr said:
I like Andre and I think hes has all the physical tools to beat Fedor... I don't think it will happen any time soon though. Andrei is just reaching his peak, Fedor on the other hand is in his prime.
I have to see Andrei convinsingly beat a healthy Frank Mir before I can allow myself to think he has a chance against Fedor.
-BRR
Arlovsi would have a tough time against Mir, but I had to put money on it, I'd bet on him. There isn't tons of evidence to support this, I just think Arlovski is well in his zone right now.
Also, for what it's worth, he TKO'd toughguy Ian Freeman who TKO'd Mir. It was a few years back, but they both seem to have developed somewhat equally since then.
Also, for what it's worth, he TKO'd toughguy Ian Freeman who TKO'd Mir. It was a few years back, but they both seem to have developed somewhat equally since then.
Big Rick Rock
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Snypr said:
Yeah but you know you can never beat anybody by association. Some guys may lose to a guy that got beat by a guy they destroyed. The world of MMA is filled with connections like this. Guy A beats a living piss out of guy B, guy B goes and beats guy C whom had detroyed guy A a couple of months ago. Just part of the game.
They just have to step in cage and settle it. Those two are on a collition course, there is nobody else in the UFC for Andrei to fight and there is nobody else whom Mir should defend his belt against.
It should be good. My money is on Andrei.
-BRR
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Andre has heavvvy hands; especially for a 23 yr/old... great punching power. However, Fedor knows how to avoid those punches. He is very well rounded, a good striker, good on the ground, great at submissions... my money would be on Fedor.
I truly think Arlovski will destroy Mir. Mir has been inactive mainly due to a morcycle accident. An injured, rusty, inexperienced fighter with poor cardio, weak standup, who barely took Wes Sims, is in for a beating. Sometimes a superior fighter can lose to an inferior fighter from inactivity alone.
I don't think Arlovski is ready for Fedor as Arlovski's quality of oppositon is stunted in comparison.
I don't think Arlovski is ready for Fedor as Arlovski's quality of oppositon is stunted in comparison.
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
If Mir takes Andrei down then anything can happen. As long as Andrei can keep Mir on his feet long enough to get a good combination in. It is all over for Mir.
Big Rick Rock said:
Matyushenko couldn't take Arlovski down and I don't think Mir has that level of takedown skill. I also think Arlovski can hold his own on the ground. He's won 3 by submission including Sylvia. Truthfully looking at his record it looks like your best bet is to strike Arlovski as all of his losses are by KO or TKO. I wonder if he is china chinned.
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
You are usually on the money with the fight predictions... LOL I'm not the guy in the gym you want reviewing your next opponent's highlight film LOL
I can show you how to kick his ass but I can't tell you how to do it
-BRR
Big Rick Rock said:You are usually on the money with the fight predictions... LOL I'm not the guy in the gym you want reviewing your next opponent's highlight film LOL
I can show you how to kick his ass but I can't tell you how to do it
-BRR
I'm the total opposite. I'm a pussy BJJ blue belt that almost got KO'd sparring in San Shou.
I just look at people's fight history and notice patterns. Truth to the matter though, anyone can have a bad camp or slack training, or get injured and that totally changes the mechanics. At the highest levels of fighting, good prep and the will to win is one of the biggest influential factors.
Look at Crocop. He has the will to win. He doesn't sit on his world class striking laurels to carry him to the top. He recruits Fabricio Weredum, a submission and bjj phenom, to kick his ass in the gym and train his weaknesses. What did Coleman do to prepare? He fought with the same old boys from 'The Hammer House'. Everybody knows their game, now everyone is passing them by when they were a dominant force just several years ago. Same holds true with 'The Lion's Den'. MMA is not a stagnant sport by any means, nor should your training be at that level. Hell, even Tanner left the successful "Team Quest" to further his aspirations.
