Clen and Early Death?

[timtim]

Clen is like caffeine

wrong and a pretty terrible metaphor considering i can drink 7 gallons of coffee a day and not have my heart tissue destroyed. its a vasodilator which causes programmed cell death of heart tissue. at 200mcg a day you are using the same amount lbs. for lbs. that was used to extrapolate the thesis that it causes programmed cell death in rat heart tissue.

clen is garbage. the effects are subpar and minimal at most. and i would think its a pretty big deal that heart tissue is being stripped of vitamins and nutrients that are not easily replaced. to cut an extra pound or two of fat, not worth it, but im sure there will be plenty here who will find reasons why its a necessary part of their diet regiment.

 

[GymIntensity]

its a vasodilator which causes programmed cell death of heart tissue. QUOTE]



You really think a supplement that acts as a vasodilator causes cell death in heart tissue'? So you are saying taking L-arginine and NO2 supps cause cell death in heart tissue??? I think im going to disagree with this statement, but thats just me. maybe some other bros can put their 2ml worth in on it.

 

[Reubsf]

My personal experience with Clenbuterol consisted of uncontrollable tremors that interfered with my work, terrible cramps even with electrolyte and Taurine supplementation, and anxiety attacks which I never had experienced before. But, by far the worst side was that the Clen fucked with my heartbeat...bad! My heart was skipping and adding beats like crazy...kind of like a techno remix or something. So yeah, Clen and I don't get along well.

 

[td1111]

Compare clen to an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin), which is probably still better than an OTC thermogenic

I've read that clean boosts your metabolic rate by 10%
an ECA stack boosts it 3%

I feel shitty and strung out on caffeine/ephedrine, but can function reasonably well on clen and can sleep just fine at night.

There may be similar tolerances, but Clen is not caffeine.
I don't drink alcohol or coffee or high caffeine drinks.
I don't take drugs except aspirin from time to time.
I haven't had the perfect diet and I've put on fat weight.
For me to decide to do AAS I had to come to a high wall that made me look in other directions.

Every one of these drugs has known and unknown side effects. I'm no believer in a 100% safe, synthetic drug, but I've made my decisions after research that satisfies me as to what I'm putting in my body.

It's not that I don't like it. It's that I haven't obtained enough information for me to yet choose to use it and I wanted to use it.

If the 2 pound limit per week exists to lose fat and no muscle, and
'the key' is to lower carbs, which is dieting........
why not just diet and take a lighter over-the-counter thermogenic?

There are so many people in this forum who use Clen.
How come there are few good responses in here besides...
'it worked great for me.'

How did it work so well?
How is this product so superior that it's worth the risks?

Thanks,
Mike

 

[krishna]

Clen is a horrible drug imo

Hell ya it is! I lose lots of muscle on it too. Preserves muscle my ass! Makes me weak, tired, my lifts go to shit, my mind goes to shit, and I drop just as much muscle as fat. What a waste of time......garbage drug!

 

[txmike]

Compare clen to an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin), which is probably still better than an OTC thermogenic

I've read that clean boosts your metabolic rate by 10%
an ECA stack boosts it 3%

I feel shitty and strung out on caffeine/ephedrine, but can function reasonably well on clen and can sleep just fine at night.

I read about the 10% metabolic rate increase, too.
It's what got me excited to look into Clen.
How meaningful is the statistic when the results are still 2# of weightloss per week?

Mike

 

[GymIntensity]

macro can u add to this debate as far as cardiac damage and trying to prevent it and if the sides are worse than the positives

 

[SwolK]

200mcg/day ...nice!!! ...but if i were you i'd up it cuz if you're not on the floor convulsing then it's simply not working.
...good luck to you BTW




ummm ...what else do you need? ...your very own cardiac episode?




well last time i checked ...the dead are still not posting


look please don't mind me ...i must just be getting old ...but i'll leave you with a some thoughts "long term effects" or "long term complications"

obvisouly no one else is on the floor convulsing either...smart ass

 

[karachi183]

I know someone who has passed away and he just so happened to be using clen at the time. The guy was a big dude and by no means fat. Very sad story.. Clen is a dangerous drug.

 

[SwolK]

I know someone who has passed away and he just so happened to be using clen at the time. The guy was a big dude and by no means fat. Very sad story.. Clen is a dangerous drug.

sorry to hear about that.
what did he pass away from, heart failure?