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Clemens named for using steroids!

i called this last year. but i can't prove it. i saw the way he trained, pretty intense.
 
I just remember the 2000 playoff game against Seatle that he struck out 15 and gave up only 1 hit. He was hitting 99mph on the gun in the 7th inning. Kinda made me wonder.
 
This is crazy, the guys are pros, they should be able to do what ever they want,

If he can throw at 99 mph, God Bless him, and let him take any thing he wants.






Have any of you guys ever tried to hit a ball at 99mph, you can't even see it at that speed.
 
solidspine said:
This is crazy, the guys are pros, they should be able to do what ever they want,

If he can throw at 99 mph, God Bless him, and let him take any thing he wants.






Have any of you guys ever tried to hit a ball at 99mph, you can't even see it at that speed.
i'm not actually swinging at the ball, i'm trying to defend myself from it.
 
solidspine said:
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Have any of you guys ever tried to hit a ball at 99mph, you can't even see it at that speed.


Yeah... its insanely fast. I blew out my elbow pitching in high school my senior year. A lot of you are gonna call bullshit, but the fastest I was clocked was at 96. Once I destroyed my elbow I said fuckit, and played football in college instead. It still frustrates me too, because I have a family history of professional baseball players (my father, uncle, grand father and cousin).

I have long thought that Clemens used gear. He trains very rigorously, however to have that kind of durability and to remain as dominant as he has for as long as he has, one cant help but speculate. However the one thing that really threw me off is that he hasnt really had any serious career threatening injuries as of late. Most athletes that abuse steroids as a lot of us do, end up doing some serious damage usually to tendons and/or ligaments. In pitching, there is a lot of straign placed on various parts of the arm and shoulder, that honestly i would think a pitcher at his age and activity level would end up hurting at some point if he was consistently using gear.

Regardless, hes still one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, and probably the greatest pitcher any of us actually got a chance to watch during our lifetimes (Nolan who?).

:coffee:
 
I've suspected him since his final days with the Sox when he blew up, size wise. Back then people thought he was getting too bulky to pitch successfully. Guess they were wrong!
 
It doesn't actually say Clemens used steroids, just 'performance enhancing drugs'. This is different from Tejada and his Oriole teamates who were specially names for using 'anabolic steroids'.
Clemens may only be on the hook for amphetemines and/or growth hormone.
 
Strength really has little to do with throwing fast or being an effective pitcher. So much of it is mechanics, and a lot of that depends on the specific pitcher's body. The only way I could see roids helping him is with recuperation and that would explain why he was so fortunate in avoiding injury.
 
No suprise here. It's more a question now of who DIDN'T use performance enhancing drugs.
 
He's been rumored for years but without finding the source everything stayed a rumor. People should go to his uncles bar in Del Valle Texas to see the pics of the body changes over time, must have been all those protein shakes his uncle would say to patrons.
 
Ulter said:
Even Randy Johnson was juicing. Just look at the way his number fell off when the steroid scandals started a couple years ago. As soon as he came off it was obvious.

Shit, figure skaters and everyone else is using something for one reason or another! Once the owners see the big picture, maybe they'll be able to protect the players from these in denial, apple-pie, Bob Costas motherfuckers. (Then again CONGRESS threatened to get involved...What a fucking country).
 
Roger Clemens had that famous "waterhead" look. you could eat a pasta dinner out of his fucking hat. and the dude does weight train. lots of Squats and lower body work. even though i saw him using the smith machine using an akward stance, he had 300+ on there and was pumping out reps quite rapidly.....
 
clemens has taken advantage of packing muscle on his legs late in his career.

The legs are what "drives" a pitcher, and his are as powerful as it comes.
this also put less pressure/stress on his arms/shoulders.

It's funny how everyone is shitting on the "batters" for juicing, but the guys tossing them the ball are also in the mix.
 
Next to track athletes, baseball players are the biggest juicers in sports.
I used to work out in Arizona, and every year, during spring training players would come into the gym, ride the bikes a while, and then start asking around.
 
botrx said:
Next to track athletes, baseball players are the biggest juicers in sports.
I used to work out in Arizona, and every year, during spring training players would come into the gym, ride the bikes a while, and then start asking around.
i'm the biggest juicer in non-profit organizations.
 
SPOONY LUV said:
Rumor has it that he didn't play the first half of this season because he had to clean his system out...

He played in the WBC however which had more stringent testing and i believe even drew blood for hgh so that would be a false rumor.


Rumors of Clemens juicing goes back to 1996 during the 2nd half of the season right before Free Agency.
 
botrx said:
Next to track athletes, baseball players are the biggest juicers in sports.
I used to work out in Arizona, and every year, during spring training players would come into the gym, ride the bikes a while, and then start asking around.


come on man, these guys don't need to ask around in some gym. How stupid would that be . . . to walk into a gym and start asking around for gear when everyone knows you are a pro ball player. I used to work out at Golds in Sarasota, FL. The reds worked out there and not once did I ever see that nonsense or anything resembling it, and I used to talk to the manager all the time. Not saying it didn't happen, just doesn't sound too likely
 
Twoguns said:
come on man, these guys don't need to ask around in some gym. How stupid would that be . . . to walk into a gym and start asking around for gear when everyone knows you are a pro ball player. I used to work out at Golds in Sarasota, FL. The reds worked out there and not once did I ever see that nonsense or anything resembling it, and I used to talk to the manager all the time. Not saying it didn't happen, just doesn't sound too likely
Listen bro...I experienced it first hand. Just because no one ever looked at you and thought to ask, or "talking" to a gym manager, who wouldn't tell you anyway, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
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