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CKD...MR.X...Experts..!!!

NJstacked

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Mr.X...Well I decided to take the plunge and start the CKD...I started this past sunday....Took ala to get into KETOSIS...it worked and was in withing a day...last night I felt flat and today I feel like I am completely deflated and flat....I cannot stand feeling flat...Will this eventually go away once my body starts using fat for energy...? Also...I am taking KAKDIESELS advice and will start the Carb up Friday night after my lift throughout Saturday....

My meals look like this what are your thoughts>?
Sunday-Thursday
2 eggs, 4 bacon, 1 cheese
2oz cheese
burger with 2 slices cheese...maybe mayo
2oz cheese
2 burgers, 2 slices cheese, sour cream
pork rines & sour cream.....

Any advice...i really want to stcik this through...I am probably around 9-10% bodyfat....on GH and will be starting test asap....

THANKS....THE STACKED
 
you really need to throw some fish and flax oil in there. Fish oil is nasty and all but it keeps my brain from feeling like mush. Flax will also aid in this as it has some omega 6-9's but also those crucial omega 3's. You will have more energy taking in these types of fat and also brain function... 6 and 9's are directly utilized in teh brain from what I understand. Also try to get some mct oil as it is apparently a pro-ketonic fuel.
 
NJstacked said:
Mr.X...Well I decided to take the plunge and start the CKD...I started this past sunday....Took ala to get into KETOSIS...it worked and was in withing a day...last night I felt flat and today I feel like I am completely deflated and flat....I cannot stand feeling flat...Will this eventually go away once my body starts using fat for energy...? Also...I am taking KAKDIESELS advice and will start the Carb up Friday night after my lift throughout Saturday....

My meals look like this what are your thoughts>?
Sunday-Thursday
2 eggs, 4 bacon, 1 cheese
2oz cheese
burger with 2 slices cheese...maybe mayo
2oz cheese
2 burgers, 2 slices cheese, sour cream
pork rines & sour cream.....

Any advice...i really want to stcik this through...I am probably around 9-10% bodyfat....on GH and will be starting test asap....

THANKS....THE STACKED

Stick with it...The first week(s) are the toughest..Your body is going through an adjustment from burning carbs to fat burning so you feel like shit for awhile.

Stay with it. In a few weeks you will have energy and get ripped
 
Re: Re: CKD...MR.X...Experts..!!!

CytoMel said:


Stick with it...The first week(s) are the toughest..Your body is going through an adjustment from burning carbs to fat burning so you feel like shit for awhile.

Stay with it. In a few weeks you will have energy and get ripped


exactly!! good advice bro
 
NJstacked said:
Mr.X...Well I decided to take the plunge and start the CKD...I started this past sunday....Took ala to get into KETOSIS...it worked and was in withing a day...last night I felt flat and today I feel like I am completely deflated and flat....I cannot stand feeling flat...Will this eventually go away once my body starts using fat for energy...? Also...I am taking KAKDIESELS advice and will start the Carb up Friday night after my lift throughout Saturday....

My meals look like this what are your thoughts>?
Sunday-Thursday
2 eggs, 4 bacon, 1 cheese
2oz cheese
burger with 2 slices cheese...maybe mayo
2oz cheese
2 burgers, 2 slices cheese, sour cream
pork rines & sour cream.....

Any advice...i really want to stcik this through...I am probably around 9-10% bodyfat....on GH and will be starting test asap....

THANKS....THE STACKED

Your meals look fine, the feeling will not go away for about 2-3 weeks, but when it does you'll be completely opposite, feeling down on the carbup days and up on the keto days. I would carbup for 2 days if you're using GH.

Mr.X
 
thanks...my savior...MR.X....

MR. X what is up with GH and Insulin Sensitivity? How does ala effect this?
 
NJstacked, the flatness is b/c of carb depletion. Your muscle glycogen stores have become depleted and glycogen gives that "full" look to the muscle. The only thing that will alleviate the flatness is ingesting carbs. I agree, looking flat sucks and it makes u look much smaller.

I know u're lean to begin with, just know that keto diets are only advantageous at higher bodyfat levels and all the research shows that they spare no more muscle or cause any faster fat loss vs. any other sensible fat loss diet at lower bodyfat levels. On plan that i've had a LOT of success with and so have many others is a diet of 2 days low carbs, 1 day high, 3 days low carbs, 1 day high. Low carb days dont need to be keto, keep carbs low, protein high, fat moderate to low. High carb days are high carb, high protein, low fat. This keeps muscles full most of the week and fat loss is just as good.

Also make sure u're getting enough protein, the ratios arent what matter, b/c absolutely NEED enough protein to spare muscle, get at least .9g protein per lb. lean body mass.
 
Here, I googled this post for you from Lyle Mcdonald, who literally wrote THE book on ketogenic diets, "The Ketogenic Diet". Even he admits no real advantake of keto diets over other sensible diets (adaquete protein, EFA's, etc).

"changing RQ doesn't change metabolic rate, it changes the proportion
of fuels used. Let's say we have two people with a total daily energy
expenditure of 2000 cal/day. The first has an RQ of 1.0, the second 0.7
(I'm using extremes to make the math easier).

The first person is burning 100% carbs, 2000 cal/day, 500 g/day, zero fat.
The second person is burning 100% fat, 2000 cal/day, 222 g/day, zero carbs.

That's ignoring the small contribution of protein, of course. Assume
it's the same for both and not worth worrying about.

So this comes into play with fat balance which is simply the difference
in fat burned and fat eaten. That is

Fat balance = fat oxidatin - fat intake

A positive fat balance means you're gaining fat; a negative fat balance
means you're losing fat.

So take our RQ = 1.0 person. Any fat they eat will be stored. That, of
course means, that they are eating >2000 cal/day (i.e. they are above
maintenance levels). Let's put them on that diet, zero fat and 500
g/day of carbs. They are in calorie balance, no net gain or loss of fat.

The RQ = 1.0 person can eat 222 g fat per day and not gain fat.
Anything over that and they will, which means that they are eating >2000
cal/day. So put them on that diet, 222 g fat per day and no carbs.
They are also in calorie balance, no net gain or loss of fat.

so let's take 500 cal/day from each person. The first guy will reduce
carbs, the second fat. Protein is the same for both.

the first person's RQ will actually go down to reflect the difference
and fat oxidation should make up the difference. So for a 2000 cal/day
metabolic rate, they are burning 1500 cal/day from carbs and 500 cal/day
from fat (55 g/day). They should be losing 55 g fat per day.

The second guy's RQ is already as low as it can go so the difference
will simply be fat burned - fat intake. A 500 cal/day reduction = 55
g/day. They will also be losing 55 g fat per day.

And this really explains why diets of varying composition but the same
calorie level tend to result in the same fat loss. On the higher carb
diet, you're burning less fat, but you're also eating less fat. On the
lower carb diet, you're burning a lot more fat, but you're also eating a
lot more fat. So the end result ends up being about the same. Of
course, there are a lot of ASSumptions in there: such as exactly
controlled calorie levels which gets into a host of other factors.

I hope that makes sense,
Lyle"
 
NJSTACKED!!!!

What happened to your ISO-CALORIC DIET?? Or the Temps cutting diet... YOu trader!!!!!:p
 
Right PwB. I don't know how long ago Lyle wrote that, but we now know enough to say calorie source doesn't matter IF YOU'RE NOT INSULIN RESISTANT. In other words, non-insulin resistant dieters (whether obese or not) do just as well on a moderate carb diet as a low carb high protein diet. But slin resistant folks do better on a low carb diet. This is prolly the reason so many Americans are hopping on the Atkins type diets......most overweight Americans are likely to be slin resistant to some degree, so this may be a better way for them to go. Problem comes back to kick them up the b**t is they ever go off their lowcarb diets though :(

Too much GH can increase insulin resistance, but so can high fat/keto diets (transiently). Whether or not you're using GH, you should ASSUME that you are insulin resistant during your carb-ups and take ALA accordingly.
 
PwB said:
advantageous at higher bodyfat levels and all the research shows that they spare no more muscle or cause any faster fat loss

all research huh? show me, abstracts, show me
 
Serge, go to Medline and do a little research yourself. http://www.ncbi.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi . At this point I haven't the time to do this for you, sorry.

MS, I agree completely. But theres a few issues here, atkins dieters generally eat a high saturated fat diet which increases insulin resistance. Of course it isn't as much an issue b/c carb intake is generally so low. Another thing is weight lifting should be an absolute MUST for fat loss (as i'm sure u know), and the act of lifting weights properly goes a long way in improving insulin sensitivity so the body handles carbs MUCH better w/ less insulin to shuttle the glucose to tissue. And ALA improves insulin sensitivity in BOTH muscle cells and fat cells equally rather than muscle cells as many people believe. The only supplement that has causes a positive partitioning of nutrients to muscle vs. fat cells is fish oils.
 
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