Choke Varient

[Kane Fan]

ok I was experimenting with this the last time I grappled
I didn't get a submission with it but I could tell I was giving my opponent a difficult time
I had it sunk in on his head instead of around his neck and that was probubly one reason heh
tho if someone was crushing my head I'd probubly tap before it caved

what it basically was, is a rear naked choke, but I'm in front of him
is this a choke
if so how do I aply it
if not, how might I be able to aply it to make it work

I imagine it would be easily countered by the guy leaning his head forward, but I'll worry about blocking counters after I figure out how to get it to work in the first place

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

ok I was experimenting with this the last time I grappled
I didn't get a submission with it but I could tell I was giving my opponent a difficult time
I had it sunk in on his head instead of around his neck and that was probubly one reason heh
tho if someone was crushing my head I'd probubly tap before it caved

what it basically was, is a rear naked choke, but I'm in front of him
is this a choke
if so how do I aply it
if not, how might I be able to aply it to make it work

I imagine it would be easily countered by the guy leaning his head forward, but I'll worry about blocking counters after I figure out how to get it to work in the first place

Are you talking about a 'snake choke'? You wrap your arm around the back of his neck with your elbow crook near his civical vertabrae, then slide the blade of your other hand around his windpipe and toward his ear and slide your elbows together. You can also trap one of his arms and make a head and arm traingle choke. It's a concept similar to the traingle choke using legs.

 

[Kane Fan]

the arm triangle I've got well I know I don't always do it properly
but a snake choke might be it
is the snake choke effective if you have them in yoru guard?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

the arm triangle I've got well I know I don't always do it properly
but a snake choke might be it
is the snake choke effective if you have them in yoru guard?

Yeah. The snake choke is essentially a gi-less Ezekiel if you know what an Ezekiel choke is. I'm starting to work these kinds of chokes into my grappling currently. Here's a link to multi-positional Ezekiel applications. Sorry for the Japanese, but the instruction is quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEGQrK35g4&mode=related&search=

 

[Kane Fan]

well I only speak english but if the pictures are good
it would basically be the way I'd picture a RNC to look but your in front of them
so a Front Naked CHoke is how I'd describe what I'm trying
but any choke is good choke

 

[yargrev]

well I only speak english but if the pictures are good
it would basically be the way I'd picture a RNC to look but your in front of them
so a Front Naked CHoke is how I'd describe what I'm trying
but any choke is good choke

From what you described it actually ends up being a neck crank, Gene Lebell uses a bunch of them he calls them a figure 4 neck lock

 

[Kane Fan]

where can I read more about Gene Lebell's neck cranks

 

[yargrev]

where can I read more about Gene Lebell's neck cranks

I got his grappling encyclopedia of finishing holds. Its great, well worth the cash, and easily applicable into your BJJ game but as most of its a little outside the box it catches people out. Plus his just a funny bastard

 

[Kane Fan]

so it's a book?
is it carried in your average big book store or do you have to order it