cave man diet??

[OMEGA]

Daniel B

how long did you go on this diet?

did you jump right into the diet, or ween your self off the carbs?

did you measure if you were in Ketosis?

and
how muscluar are you?

 

[skinnyfat]

Daniel Bishop,

What about horses? All they eat is oats, and they are the most ripped animals I've ever seen. They make lions seem "smooth" LOL.

Seriously though, the idea of the caveman diet is exactly right--lean meats, healthy fats from nuts, unprocessed carbs from fruits and vegetables. It sounds like a typical bodybuilder diet, to me, except perhaps for the fruit part. Probably works out to 40-30-30 or around there.

 

[OMEGA]

Daniel Bishop,

what about Grey whales? all they eat is plankton, and there fat, oh never mind?

no seriuosly, any other experience would bw cool to hear.


like I said I consumed the same amount of carbs ob gram, by gram basis, on two different diets,


1 only complex carbs..............felt full alot of the time, weight loss ok.


1 only cabs from fruits and vegitables........felt hungry all the time
,but
lost weight quick

 

[skinnyfat]

when you said you ate the same of carbohydrate grams, did you subtract fiber from the fruits/vegetables? Ex, an 80 calorie apple (about 20g carbs) has 4 grams of fiber, so you are really only eating 16 grams of carbs.

 

[DanielBishop]

Hmmmm... horses and whales, both good analogies which pretty much destroy my whole point. Thanks a lot.

And I was on the diet for.... 12 weeks the first time, I think 7 weeks the second time.... and I've been doing it now for (I think) about 9 weeks.

And I'm not very muscular at all. Which probably indicates that it's not the best method of dieting.... and that my diet altogether is lacking, since I've been trying to gain muscle for about 5 years.

Anyway, it works for me in terms of losing fat....

 

[OMEGA]

when you said you ate the same of carbohydrate grams, did you subtract fiber from the fruits/vegetables? Ex, an 80 calorie apple (about 20g carbs) has 4 grams of fiber, so you are really only eating 16 grams of carbs.

good point......no I did not account for that.


and dan b thanks for the reply

 

[Blood&Iron]

Just some comments...

Hmmmm... horses and whales, both good analogies which pretty much destroy my whole point

I'm not sure if the references to the diets of animals are for laughs or serious. One cannot take the physiology of an animal and infer from this that this animal's diet will have the same effect on a human. The distribution of fat in an animal is largely dependent on its adaptation to a given environment. Hence, most aquatic animals, e.g. whales, seals, etc have large amounts of subcutaneous fat. While grey whales subsist on plankton, killer whales are carnivorous. Both have large amounts of blubber despite the variance in diet.

We are not cavemen, are bodies have evolved. We don't have the dense bones that they did, we don't have to kill are food to survive.

Human physiology has not changed significantly in the past 5,000 years. We are essentially the same. Further, there is growing evidence that contrary to the popular belief of the caveman as a spear-wielding hunter, it now appears that our ancestors were largely scavengers. This doesn't mean that their dietary practices are ideal for us, since many hunters and gatherers experience alternating periods of feast and famine, which is hardly conducive to building muscle. What worked for them might work for us, but one must remember that hunters and gatherers were concerned primarily with survival and not maximum muscle growth and definition. Humans are not naturally all that muscular if compared, let's say, to gorillas. We are fighting against nature in our quest for muscle.

 

[Grizzly]

not that I disagree with you,

but how did cave men survive??????

also evidence shows that heart disease, was all but non existant in those times,

and they actuall never had problems with body fat.

also the only reason that they did not leave longer than us, is do to our medical advances, not our diet,

just dicussing.

First off, I will, of course, agree that average life expectancy has to do with medical advances and nothing else. It's not like in the last 10,000 years we've developed a gene for living longer. However, I must disagree with the rest. Hmmmm... Let's see. I am a caveman and I want to eat some red meat. First, I will have to leave my cave. Then, I will have to travel, approximately, one mile to find an animal dumb enough to let me get within 40 yards of it. Then, I throw my spear at it and kill it. Ok, now what to do. Hmmmm, I have to gut it and then carry it a mile or more back to my cave. I can't say for certain what a pre-historic animal weighed, but judging from what I've seen in museums, it's about 300-400 pounds. By the time I've gotten back to my cave I've carried a 300 pound animal a mile over rocky, non-roaded, hilly, grassy, tree covered terrain. I would imaginge that I've burned about 2,000k/cal. That would be the reason that they never had a problem with bodyfat. Number one, they were a hell of a lot more active. Secondly, the food sources were much harder to come by. No grocery stores that were a five minute drive away and all, you know. It wasn't so much the diet as it was the activity level.

As for the heart disease.... Of course there wasn't any. The average life expectancy was what about 30 years? Ever met a 30 year old with heart disease? Very few and far between. You don't get that until you're in your late 40's or early 50's. That's why there was no heart disease.

Oh, by the way, if this doesn't make any sense, it's because I just drank a fifth and a half of red wine. I'm just trying to prevent heart disease.

 

[Grizzly]

i'd have to agree... from all i've read they were much more muscular and healthy than us. But i've read their suppossed diet and supposseably they ate a shit load of fiber, protein, and fruits/veggies. They also drank much more water than we do, but at the same time they did much more physical activities than us.

Of course they were more muscular. What do you think happens when you walk/run everywhere and kill stuff with your bare hands? It didn't have too much to do with their diet. It had to do with they're activity level. If you spend all day working with your body you will become a muscular fellow. End of story.

 

[Grizzly]

no carbs=no muscle or strength

That's what I'm screaming, my brother! Ketosis sucks!