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cave man diet??
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Of course your muscle mass decreased. It's because you didn't have any glycogen in them. That's also why you lost a lot of "unwanted weight." Most of it was water from not enough carbs. Did your body composition change dramatically? That's the only real measure. Who cares if you weigh less if you still have the same or close to the same amount of bodyfat? It's a fad diet. Stick to the basics.
not that I disagree with you,
but how did cave men survive??????
also evidence shows that heart disease, was all but non existant in those times,
and they actuall never had problems with body fat.
also the only reason that they did not leave longer than us, is do to our medical advances, not our diet,
just dicussing.
but how did cave men survive??????
also evidence shows that heart disease, was all but non existant in those times,
and they actuall never had problems with body fat.
also the only reason that they did not leave longer than us, is do to our medical advances, not our diet,
just dicussing.
riskybizz007
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i'd have to agree... from all i've read they were much more muscular and healthy than us. But i've read their suppossed diet and supposseably they ate a shit load of fiber, protein, and fruits/veggies. They also drank much more water than we do, but at the same time they did much more physical activities than us.
i think i tried the caveman diet it was
whake up for school in a hurry to get to class no time to get BFAST
lunch?dam i am one broke college student ,plus had no time to prepare lunch....
after college PIG OUT ,EAT SO FREAKING BAD OMG ,U CAN GET SERIOUSLY FAT FROM THIS :/
this was before i started eating clean:/ like september i experienced this
whake up for school in a hurry to get to class no time to get BFAST
lunch?dam i am one broke college student ,plus had no time to prepare lunch....
after college PIG OUT ,EAT SO FREAKING BAD OMG ,U CAN GET SERIOUSLY FAT FROM THIS :/
this was before i started eating clean:/ like september i experienced this
yae they ate a lot more too.
about 3000 to 500 Kcal
a day.
so that would be like eating a bowl of fruit, and a chicken breast every hour or 2.
I don'y know
about breads and pastas, I mean I love the way they taste, but when your trying to get superlean,(naturally)
its' was alost impossible, at least for me it was.
as an experiment, I ate only complex carbs in the form of oatmeal, wheat bread, and some potatoes(starch)
I ate these for a 3 months, in the hopes getting super lean,
while I did get leaner, it was quite difficult.
then when i heard of the cave man diet,
I got the same results in a month rather than 2 from the above diet.
I.m not saying whats right or wrong,
I just want to share my experience.
about 3000 to 500 Kcal
a day.
so that would be like eating a bowl of fruit, and a chicken breast every hour or 2.
I don'y know
about breads and pastas, I mean I love the way they taste, but when your trying to get superlean,(naturally)
its' was alost impossible, at least for me it was.
as an experiment, I ate only complex carbs in the form of oatmeal, wheat bread, and some potatoes(starch)
I ate these for a 3 months, in the hopes getting super lean,
while I did get leaner, it was quite difficult.
then when i heard of the cave man diet,
I got the same results in a month rather than 2 from the above diet.
I.m not saying whats right or wrong,
I just want to share my experience.
riskybizz007
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i know they ate much more calories than us, but they were much much more active than us. Even look right now how much time we spend on computer, watch tv, study, etc. Back then they were out searching for food. Well i don't know about that binging you're doing, it doesn't sound too good. ANyone try this caveman stuff lol?
THE BOUNCER
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I think you guys are missing the point. We are not cavemen, are bodies have evolved. We don't have the dense bones that they did, we don't have to kill are food to survive. The point is that, what worked for them probably won't work for us. Just like the whey we eat every 2 hours probably wouldn't work for them.
diamonddiceclay
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no carbs=no muscle or strength
DanielBishop
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I think there's a lot of sense to it.
In another post, I made the analogy about a carnivorous animal.... and how they don't seem to have problem with bodyfat levels (eg. a wolf) yet they're pretty muscular and their diet is almost pure meat and fat.
When I cut, I eat mainly meat and egg whites.... with some vegetables (I should eat more, I know).... and a very small amount of complex carbs like oatmeal. And I don't eat fruit. And it works great for me. Yeah, I lose some muscle but it's worth it for me.
The difference between my diet and the caveman one is I eat SOME (very little, ie. a small bowl in the morning) of oatmeal and no fruit.... and my fat intake is extremely low, almost nothing.
But it works for me.... I've been dieting now for.... I dunno, I think 8-9 weeks and I've lost about 27lbs. I know some of that is water and some is muscle, but not enough to make me worry about it. It's the 3rd time I've tried a diet like this and all 3 times it's worked pretty well....
In another post, I made the analogy about a carnivorous animal.... and how they don't seem to have problem with bodyfat levels (eg. a wolf) yet they're pretty muscular and their diet is almost pure meat and fat.
When I cut, I eat mainly meat and egg whites.... with some vegetables (I should eat more, I know).... and a very small amount of complex carbs like oatmeal. And I don't eat fruit. And it works great for me. Yeah, I lose some muscle but it's worth it for me.
The difference between my diet and the caveman one is I eat SOME (very little, ie. a small bowl in the morning) of oatmeal and no fruit.... and my fat intake is extremely low, almost nothing.
But it works for me.... I've been dieting now for.... I dunno, I think 8-9 weeks and I've lost about 27lbs. I know some of that is water and some is muscle, but not enough to make me worry about it. It's the 3rd time I've tried a diet like this and all 3 times it's worked pretty well....
Daniel Bishop,
What about horses? All they eat is oats, and they are the most ripped animals I've ever seen. They make lions seem "smooth" LOL.
Seriously though, the idea of the caveman diet is exactly right--lean meats, healthy fats from nuts, unprocessed carbs from fruits and vegetables. It sounds like a typical bodybuilder diet, to me, except perhaps for the fruit part. Probably works out to 40-30-30 or around there.
What about horses? All they eat is oats, and they are the most ripped animals I've ever seen. They make lions seem "smooth" LOL.
Seriously though, the idea of the caveman diet is exactly right--lean meats, healthy fats from nuts, unprocessed carbs from fruits and vegetables. It sounds like a typical bodybuilder diet, to me, except perhaps for the fruit part. Probably works out to 40-30-30 or around there.
Daniel Bishop,
what about Grey whales? all they eat is plankton, and there fat, oh never mind?
no seriuosly, any other experience would bw cool to hear.
like I said I consumed the same amount of carbs ob gram, by gram basis, on two different diets,
1 only complex carbs..............felt full alot of the time, weight loss ok.
1 only cabs from fruits and vegitables........felt hungry all the time
,but
lost weight quick
what about Grey whales? all they eat is plankton, and there fat, oh never mind?
no seriuosly, any other experience would bw cool to hear.
like I said I consumed the same amount of carbs ob gram, by gram basis, on two different diets,
1 only complex carbs..............felt full alot of the time, weight loss ok.
1 only cabs from fruits and vegitables........felt hungry all the time
,but
lost weight quick
DanielBishop
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Hmmmm... horses and whales, both good analogies which pretty much destroy my whole point. Thanks a lot.
And I was on the diet for.... 12 weeks the first time, I think 7 weeks the second time.... and I've been doing it now for (I think) about 9 weeks.
And I'm not very muscular at all. Which probably indicates that it's not the best method of dieting.... and that my diet altogether is lacking, since I've been trying to gain muscle for about 5 years.
Anyway, it works for me in terms of losing fat....
And I was on the diet for.... 12 weeks the first time, I think 7 weeks the second time.... and I've been doing it now for (I think) about 9 weeks.
And I'm not very muscular at all. Which probably indicates that it's not the best method of dieting.... and that my diet altogether is lacking, since I've been trying to gain muscle for about 5 years.
Anyway, it works for me in terms of losing fat....
Blood&Iron
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Just some comments...
I'm not sure if the references to the diets of animals are for laughs or serious. One cannot take the physiology of an animal and infer from this that this animal's diet will have the same effect on a human. The distribution of fat in an animal is largely dependent on its adaptation to a given environment. Hence, most aquatic animals, e.g. whales, seals, etc have large amounts of subcutaneous fat. While grey whales subsist on plankton, killer whales are carnivorous. Both have large amounts of blubber despite the variance in diet.
Human physiology has not changed significantly in the past 5,000 years. We are essentially the same. Further, there is growing evidence that contrary to the popular belief of the caveman as a spear-wielding hunter, it now appears that our ancestors were largely scavengers. This doesn't mean that their dietary practices are ideal for us, since many hunters and gatherers experience alternating periods of feast and famine, which is hardly conducive to building muscle. What worked for them might work for us, but one must remember that hunters and gatherers were concerned primarily with survival and not maximum muscle growth and definition. Humans are not naturally all that muscular if compared, let's say, to gorillas. We are fighting against nature in our quest for muscle.
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OMEGA said:
First off, I will, of course, agree that average life expectancy has to do with medical advances and nothing else. It's not like in the last 10,000 years we've developed a gene for living longer. However, I must disagree with the rest. Hmmmm... Let's see. I am a caveman and I want to eat some red meat. First, I will have to leave my cave. Then, I will have to travel, approximately, one mile to find an animal dumb enough to let me get within 40 yards of it. Then, I throw my spear at it and kill it. Ok, now what to do. Hmmmm, I have to gut it and then carry it a mile or more back to my cave. I can't say for certain what a pre-historic animal weighed, but judging from what I've seen in museums, it's about 300-400 pounds. By the time I've gotten back to my cave I've carried a 300 pound animal a mile over rocky, non-roaded, hilly, grassy, tree covered terrain. I would imaginge that I've burned about 2,000k/cal. That would be the reason that they never had a problem with bodyfat. Number one, they were a hell of a lot more active. Secondly, the food sources were much harder to come by. No grocery stores that were a five minute drive away and all, you know. It wasn't so much the diet as it was the activity level.
As for the heart disease.... Of course there wasn't any. The average life expectancy was what about 30 years? Ever met a 30 year old with heart disease? Very few and far between. You don't get that until you're in your late 40's or early 50's. That's why there was no heart disease.
Oh, by the way, if this doesn't make any sense, it's because I just drank a fifth and a half of red wine. I'm just trying to prevent heart disease.
riskybizz007 said:
Of course they were more muscular. What do you think happens when you walk/run everywhere and kill stuff with your bare hands? It didn't have too much to do with their diet. It had to do with they're activity level. If you spend all day working with your body you will become a muscular fellow. End of story.
DanielBishop
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Apparently the Australian aborigines (males) only "worked" about two hours a day.... (how they know this, I'm not sure).... but that's what I've read.
And it's not like you're going out looking for a new wild animal EVERY SINGLE DAY. And it's not like you eat red meat EVERY SINGLE DAY. It changes.... the activity levels change. I mean, I'm active for at least two hours every day.... but the Aborigines are a hell of a lot leaner than me.
I'm not disputing what you're saying, but there's uncertainties in some of it.
I'm trying to figure out how they know for sure exactly how muscular a caveman was.... especially since there's no muscular remains. Aside from bones, isn't most anthropolgy and achealogy just educated guesswork?
And it's not like you're going out looking for a new wild animal EVERY SINGLE DAY. And it's not like you eat red meat EVERY SINGLE DAY. It changes.... the activity levels change. I mean, I'm active for at least two hours every day.... but the Aborigines are a hell of a lot leaner than me.
I'm not disputing what you're saying, but there's uncertainties in some of it.
I'm trying to figure out how they know for sure exactly how muscular a caveman was.... especially since there's no muscular remains. Aside from bones, isn't most anthropolgy and achealogy just educated guesswork?
I sense a fundamental misunderstanding of the caveman and their diet. They preferred meat when they could get a kill. Before they even considered carrying anything back to their cave they almost CERTAINLY would have eaten the liver, heart and kidneys first. This was eaten raw and fresh. The liver of a well fed herbivore is full of glycogen. They may have carried the rest back to their cave (most likely to feed the women and children because they would have already had their pig out) but in any case, the entire kill would be eaten essentially in one sitting. the beast would have been a lot leaner than modern day livestock too. They didn't have fridges and freezers, and the smell of a fresh kill in your cave was an irresistabel ticket for your local saber tooth to come an visit.
Aside from that, your average caveman, especially at the end of a long hard winter, would be desperately craving carbs. You can bet your last dollar that when they found a laden fruit tree or a stash of honey, they would have gorged themselves on this until they were sick or ran out of the stuff. They wouldn't have looked twice at a field full of grain, except for the possible herbivore they might catch in it. Their lives were short, very physical, and were pretty much a feast or famine type of eating. You try eating 5000 cals of fresh, raw organ meat in one huge meal, and next day eat 5000cals worth of apples and see if you gain fat! Any diet that trys to tell you that the caveman thrived on 6 small, regular meals a day of cooked eggs, muscle meat, fish and steamed veggies, with little or no carbs/fruit (and therefore so will you) is fad diet based on wishful thinking. The lack of degenerative diseases is an even sillier arguement to use for a culture that had such a short lifespan. Physiologically we have changed very little from cavemen, but socially we need to adapt our diet. Do you really think we can feed 6 billion people on a caveman diet?? Estimates very from 100,000 to 1 million cavemen that ever roamed the earth at once. America alone now has something like 300 million people.........
Do you really think you want to eat and live like that just so you can remain lean and slightly muscular? Me thinks there are easier ways.
Aside from that, your average caveman, especially at the end of a long hard winter, would be desperately craving carbs. You can bet your last dollar that when they found a laden fruit tree or a stash of honey, they would have gorged themselves on this until they were sick or ran out of the stuff. They wouldn't have looked twice at a field full of grain, except for the possible herbivore they might catch in it. Their lives were short, very physical, and were pretty much a feast or famine type of eating. You try eating 5000 cals of fresh, raw organ meat in one huge meal, and next day eat 5000cals worth of apples and see if you gain fat! Any diet that trys to tell you that the caveman thrived on 6 small, regular meals a day of cooked eggs, muscle meat, fish and steamed veggies, with little or no carbs/fruit (and therefore so will you) is fad diet based on wishful thinking. The lack of degenerative diseases is an even sillier arguement to use for a culture that had such a short lifespan. Physiologically we have changed very little from cavemen, but socially we need to adapt our diet. Do you really think we can feed 6 billion people on a caveman diet?? Estimates very from 100,000 to 1 million cavemen that ever roamed the earth at once. America alone now has something like 300 million people.........
Do you really think you want to eat and live like that just so you can remain lean and slightly muscular? Me thinks there are easier ways.
