career advice

[stilleto]

I love my job. I really don't have any complaints- i like the amount of work i'm given, i like my coworkers, my boss, the people I manage. it's fairly close to home (as close as you can get when you live near nothing)- about 15 minutes away.
the salary is ... fair. I mean, it's average. I thought it was better than it was when i started, but i'm realizing now it's just ok.

so... there are two job openings at big companies that would work for me. Both have shown interest in my resume. One is a HUGE pharmaceutical company that's probably 50 minutes away. I'd be a product manager. and the pay is 20k more a year than what I make now.

The other is close- could even be 15 minutes away (it's in another state) for a huge consumer electronics manufacturer (like Bosse or walkman). That would be for a marketing manager and would also pay 20k more than i make now.

would you consider moving jobs for more money if you loved the one you're at?

 

[jack sparrow]

Yep. I'd move in a minute. Money doesn't grow on trees unless your in the dreamacream business.

 

[Smurfy]

Im torn. Loving your job is a rare thing. Grass isnt always greener. Will the extra $20k a year have a significant impact on your quality of life? Is it worth it to take a chance that you wont like the new job? I see no reason why you shouldnt at least interview for the other jobs and then take it from there.

 

[blackhawk60]

15 Minutes away is not far at all. Wouldn't have to move if you got that one. I think 20k extra would have a significant impact on your life.

It sucks to leave a job you love, but what does the future look like at that job? Could your management where you're at be changed. Is there opportunity for advancement at current job, other jobs? Did you notice how the workers were at the other places? Does your job field have lay off's regularly enough to where it would benefit you to stay somewhere where you have some seniority? Some questions to ask yourself.

Take care.

 

[jestro]

I don't think 20k would make that much difference for you Stillietto. It would me, but I think you're pretty set with money.
But, I don't really know how much you love your current job. There's a bunch of jerkholes there arent there?
I recently decided not to change jobs. I was offered more money but it would take me 5 years to get the vacation I get now, and I like my hours. That ended up being more important.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i would move for more money provided i was sure i would like the job, people, etc.

location would be key to. i wont move to canada for at least another 50K

 

[christopher2100]

Go for the cash........greed... there is nothing wrong with it..... it is what drives us to succeed

 

[digimon7068]

two things. . .

1. will the quality of your life suffer permanently??

e.g. 50 minutes one way is 70 extra minutes of round-trip commuting a day. . .over the course of the typical work year. . .taking vacation and holidays into consideration. . .70 minutes x 336 workdays = 23,520 extra minutes / 1,440 minutes in a day = 16.33 and/or, will more time be required in order to earn the extra 20 g's??

2. working in one state and living in another could have a whole other set of tax consequences if the two states do not have a reciprocal agreement.

 

[mountain muscle]

Go for the cash.

20k is a lot of hookers and beer.

 

[buffer1]

this sites in trouble when stilleto starts giving advice,lol

 

[stilleto]

thanks guys.

20k a year is a good amount of money nomatter who you are. it's more when you have 2 kids starting college in a year.

I haven't interviewed for either yet- i'm just thinking about things ahead of time. I may go on the interviews and decide I just can't do one commute or i may LOVE one or both companies- we shall see. There is some room for advancement in my company, but i'm already head of my own small department anyway.

 

[mountain muscle]

Two kids heading to college almost makes that a necessity.

Wow you are old and stuff.

 

[stilleto]

Two kids heading to college almost makes that a necessity.

Wow you are old and stuff.

they are 16 and 17
i'm 22.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I love my job. I really don't have any complaints- i like the amount of work i'm given, i like my coworkers, my boss, the people I manage. it's fairly close to home (as close as you can get when you live near nothing)- about 15 minutes away.
the salary is ... fair. I mean, it's average. I thought it was better than it was when i started, but i'm realizing now it's just ok.

so... there are two job openings at big companies that would work for me. Both have shown interest in my resume. One is a HUGE pharmaceutical company that's probably 50 minutes away. I'd be a product manager. and the pay is 20k more a year than what I make now.

The other is close- could even be 15 minutes away (it's in another state) for a huge consumer electronics manufacturer (like Bosse or walkman). That would be for a marketing manager and would also pay 20k more than i make now.

would you consider moving jobs for more money if you loved the one you're at?

absolutely, now let's move onto something important. show us your boobies.

 

[mountain muscle]

they are 16 and 17
i'm 22.

Again?

Wow your kids will be older than you in no time.

 

[Razorguns]

I love my job. I really don't have any complaints- i like the amount of work i'm given, i like my coworkers, my boss, the people I manage. it's fairly close to home (as close as you can get when you live near nothing)- about 15 minutes away.
the salary is ... fair. I mean, it's average. I thought it was better than it was when i started, but i'm realizing now it's just ok.

so... there are two job openings at big companies that would work for me. Both have shown interest in my resume. One is a HUGE pharmaceutical company that's probably 50 minutes away. I'd be a product manager. and the pay is 20k more a year than what I make now.

The other is close- could even be 15 minutes away (it's in another state) for a huge consumer electronics manufacturer (like Bosse or walkman). That would be for a marketing manager and would also pay 20k more than i make now.

would you consider moving jobs for more money if you loved the one you're at?

Loving your job > money.

Is your career solely for a paycheck? You're in scary territory. If things 'go bad' at work, you'll hate your job.

If things 'go bad' at your new job (crappy boss, incompetence, draconian treatment, lousy co-workers, drama, etc.) you'll hate your job too.

Money winds up meaning little if you deal with stress all day, or wind up getting let-go, and now you have no job.

Compensation is important, but look at the whole picture. Even something like 'enjoying working with your cube-mate Bob all day, and afterwards we go for drinks' is worth something.

You could ask for a raise at your current job (esp if your current job is $20k under market salaries) but I don't know their financial picture. $20k is a lot money. Maybe you can get an add'l $10k increase? Are you an awesome worker at your current job that's worthy of demanding more money?

When I was young I took a job that offered the lowest salary, but the greatest chance for opportunity and advancement. It was a TV station. I worked 13 hour days, and was making 6 figures within 2 years.

Take some thought on this.

r

 

[jack sparrow]

Loving your job > money.

Is your career solely for a paycheck? You're in scary territory. If things 'go bad' at work, you'll hate your job.

If things 'go bad' at your new job (crappy boss, incompetence, draconian treatment, lousy co-workers, drama, etc.) you'll hate your job too.

Money winds up meaning little if you deal with stress all day, or wind up getting let-go, and now you have no job.

Compensation is important, but look at the whole picture. Even something like 'enjoying working with your cube-mate Bob all day, and afterwards we go for drinks' is worth something.

You could ask for a raise at your current job (esp if your current job is $20k under market salaries) but I don't know their financial picture.

Take some thought on this.

r

^^^Did I call it Smurf?

 

[Smurfy]

^^^Did I call it Smurf?

lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

you hit the nail on the head there jack

 

[jack sparrow]

lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

you hit the nail on the head there jack

 

[Raptorex]

Pharmaceutical product sales is a brutal business...

 

[blueta2]

i would move for more money provided i was sure i would like the job, people, etc.

location would be key to. i wont move to canada for at least another 50K or if Blue would be mine :)

ahhhhh so sweet

I was offered a purchasing manager job for 70 grand a yrs, 5 weeks vacation, stock options and car allowance, I refused the job b/c it mean 90 mins in traffic one way and a 12 hrs work day along with 3 sat's a month. The money was not worth the stress.
Don't always let money be a motivator, being happy is much nicer than being a few grand richer.
But ya never know, you may be totally happy at a new job.

 

[Nobledude]

Pharmaceutical product sales is a brutal business...

Garbage industry would be always in high demand....trash will be forever....Garbage people have the lowest unemployment rate..

Am I right MM?



BTW, you left a garbage bin behind you a few days ago...I expect better next time..

 

[Raptorex]

Garbage industry would be always in high demand....trash will be forever....Garbage people have the lowest unemployment rate..

Am I right MM?


BTW, you left a garbage bin behind you a few days ago...I expect better next time..

EXACTLY!!! When was the last time there was an economic trash recession???

I'll let the guy's know. thanks.

 

[myway]

If u like ur job, I would stay. Most people hate work. What would cause u more stress:
1. Not having the extra money
OR
2. possibly working somewhere u aren't happy

 

[Nobledude]

EXACTLY!!! When was the last time there was an economic trash recession???

I'll let the guy's know. thanks.

Are they hiring? Tell us about the perks...

 

[myway]

Are they hiring? Tell us about the perks...

They prolly have short work days and mae more money than me...

 

[Raptorex]

Are they hiring? Tell us about the perks...

Dude, these jobs are Patronage jobs, you have to know someone in city hall...

$35/hour+ OT, Full Benny's and lots of treasures!

 

[Nobledude]

Dude, these jobs are Patronage jobs, you have to know someone in city hall...

$35/hour+ OT, Full Benny's and lots of treasures!

so you need some pull to get a job, huh?

I had a former army buddy from Chicago who told me that as a garbage man you make good money...at the time I thought he was full of it..he was right though..

 

[myway]

Dude, these jobs are Patronage jobs, you have to know someone in city hall...

$35/hour+ OT, Full Benny's and lots of treasures!

Dayummmm! I only get 19/hour and people bleed and puke on me!

 

[Nobledude]

Dayummmm! I only get 19/hour and people bleed and puke on me!

but MM has to pick up all the blood and puke for a change...

 

[myway]

but MM has to pick up all the blood and puke for a change...

I never pick it up. I leave it where it falls. I let the nurses pick it up.
Plus, I bet 19bucks in Missouri is way more than 19bucks where he lives.

 

[stilleto]

Pharmaceutical product sales is a brutal business...

not sales. I'd be in Marketing. successful company and it's not their pharmaceutical division- it's oral healthcare.

 

[myway]

not sales. I'd be in Marketing. successful company and it's not their pharmaceutical division- it's oral healthcare.

I bet u have pretty teeth

 

[stilleto]

I'm also a relatively happy and easy going person anyway. there's a good chance i'd love my new job too.

I'm currently waiting to hear back about a raise, but I doubt it will be enough to make a difference.

 

[Raptorex]

I never pick it up. I leave it where it falls. I let the nurses pick it up.
Plus, I bet 19bucks in Missouri is way more than 19bucks where he lives.

Yeah, but I can work like 4 hours and get paid for 8 so it all works out.

 

[digimon7068]

not sales. I'd be in Marketing. successful company and it's not their pharmaceutical division- it's oral healthcare.

mmmmm. . .oral healthcare. . .

 

[myway]

Yeah, but I can work like 4 hours and get paid for 8 so it all works out.

Sounds like a good gig, to me. I beg to go home at 12 and get stuck on a 24. Sux.

 

[Dial_tone]

20K may or may not be a lot depending what you make now. If I made $20K I'd be all over a 20K raise, like it or not. If I made $70K, which I do, I'd leave for 15K if the job was perfect - meaning I knew I'd love it and the commute wasn't any longer. 20K if I was kinda sure and the commute was the same. I need major cash to deal with commutes. That cuts into my cycling/gym time which means job is all I have time for.

If I'm making $100K like everyone else on EF I don't go anywhere for 20K. I'm already at the perfect job and besides, my fitness model/astrophysicist gf gets a big inheritance in a few years.

 

[Raptorex]

20K may or may not be a lot depending what you make now. If I made $20K I'd be all over a 20K raise, like it or not. If I made $70K, which I do, I'd leave for 15K if the job was perfect - meaning I knew I'd love it and the commute wasn't any longer. 20K if I was kinda sure and the commute was the same. I need major cash to deal with commutes. That cuts into my cycling/gym time which means job is all I have time for.

If I'm making $100K like everyone else on EF I don't go anywhere for 20K.

LOL (as they post from Mom's basement!)

 

[fistfullofsteel]

you'll have a new group of guys that you can get fired for sexual harassment.

 

[Nobledude]

I havent met a single Efer whose income was less than 100k.....

 

[SaladFork]

I love my job. I really don't have any complaints- i like the amount of work i'm given, i like my coworkers, my boss, the people I manage. it's fairly close to home (as close as you can get when you live near nothing)- about 15 minutes away.
the salary is ... fair. I mean, it's average. I thought it was better than it was when i started, but i'm realizing now it's just ok.

so... there are two job openings at big companies that would work for me. Both have shown interest in my resume. One is a HUGE pharmaceutical company that's probably 50 minutes away. I'd be a product manager. and the pay is 20k more a year than what I make now.

The other is close- could even be 15 minutes away (it's in another state) for a huge consumer electronics manufacturer (like Bosse or walkman). That would be for a marketing manager and would also pay 20k more than i make now.

would you consider moving jobs for more money if you loved the one you're at?

I got talked into a going to a start up again last summer, more money, more this, more that. So I quit my job (Left on good terms, gave 1 month notice) and gave it a try. After about three weeks at this new place I knew I made a big mistake. We had big clients, but the work SUCKED and I was unhappy. My training suffered, I was even a bigger a-hole then I am now. I lasted four months before I called my old job and they took me back with open arms *Hugs current employer*.

You can do what you like, but I will not get talked out of a job for a little bit more money, you can't buy my happieness. I mean 20k is only 1600 more a month than your making now (not sure what you make) but it can put you into a higher tax bracket and you could be in fact losing money each month. I’m single with no kids though.

 

[Stefka]

I havent met a single Efer whose income was less than 100k.....

I made $0 last year.
I am awesome.

 

[Nobledude]

I made $0 last year.
I am awesome.

you are on the wrong board...

 

[GUARDIAN]

I havent met a single Efer whose income was less than 100k.....

me

 

[Stefka]

you are on the wrong board...

But I have a $250,000 brain.
Can I stay?

 

[SaladFork]

I'm under 100k a year also... Don't have a super sports car or super nice house. Spend all my money on food and steriods these days he he. How ever I do drop coin on clothes, gotta look nice.

 

[myway]

I havent met a single Efer whose income was less than 100k.....

Hi. I'm Myway. Paramedics just shit for pay. Nice to meet you. My hubby is a cop. They make shit for pay, too. If u combine my income with my hubby's, we make about 100k a year.... combined.

 

[-SD-]

Hi. I'm Myway. Paramedics just shit for pay. Nice to meet you. My hubby is a cop. They make shit for pay, too. If u combine my income with my hubby's, we make about 100k a year.... combined.

this is EF, we dont have room for your ilk.

 

[SaladFork]

Hi. I'm Myway. Paramedics just shit for pay. Nice to meet you. My hubby is a cop. They make shit for pay, too. If u combine my income with my hubby's, we make about 100k a year.... combined.

Paramedics in Seattle can make 75k a year, Medic One anyways. You guys should move here. Then you can come over and we can play tetris and watch cable.

 

[Dial_tone]

Hi. I'm Myway. Paramedics just shit for pay. Nice to meet you. My hubby is a cop. They make shit for pay, too. If u combine my income with my hubby's, we make about 100k a year.... combined.

I'm afraid you two will have to leave, unless you can prove you're part African-American. Then you can stay under an Affirmative Action mandate, like me.

 

[myway]

Paramedics in Seattle can make 75k a year, Medic One anyways. You guys should move here. Then you can come over and we can play tetris and watch cable.

That's because it costs more to live there. That's why. I already looked into all those gigs....but thanx.

 

[myway]

I'm afraid you two will have to leave, unless you can prove you're part African-American. Then you can stay under an Affirmative Action mandate, like me.

Sorry. I'm mexican an Irish. My hubby is the whitest of white men. He gets sun burns if I open the curtains. Poor bastard.
I'm broke but my daddy is rich. Can I stay, please?

 

[Raptorex]

Dude, these jobs are Patronage jobs, you have to know someone in city hall...

$35/hour+ OT, Full Benny's and lots of treasures!

35x40x52=$72800 + ot (I'm lowly)

 

[layinback]

I love my job. I really don't have any complaints- i like the amount of work i'm given, i like my coworkers, my boss, the people I manage. it's fairly close to home (as close as you can get when you live near nothing)- about 15 minutes away.
the salary is ... fair. I mean, it's average. I thought it was better than it was when i started, but i'm realizing now it's just ok.

so... there are two job openings at big companies that would work for me. Both have shown interest in my resume. One is a HUGE pharmaceutical company that's probably 50 minutes away. I'd be a product manager. and the pay is 20k more a year than what I make now.

The other is close- could even be 15 minutes away (it's in another state) for a huge consumer electronics manufacturer (like Bosse or walkman). That would be for a marketing manager and would also pay 20k more than i make now.

would you consider moving jobs for more money if you loved the one you're at?

always go with your gut on these issues. your intuition will be your best guide. money is quantifiable happiness is not.

 

[Raptorex]

so you need some pull to get a job, huh?

I had a former army buddy from Chicago who told me that as a garbage man you make good money...at the time I thought he was full of it..he was right though..

sometimes you just have to grease a few palms (more in the past however).

 

[Razorguns]

When you're young

Career/Training/Opportunity > Salary

r

 

[Smurfy]

When you're young

Career/Training/Opportunity > Salary

r

Unpossible!

 

[stilleto]

always go with your gut on these issues. your intuition will be your best guide. money is quantifiable happiness is not.

thank you.
I'm going to see this week. I should find out about a raise at my current job at the end of this week coming up or the week after. in the meantime, I'm expecting some interview calls to come up so i will see what happens with those. I don't have any decision to make yet.

I did send my resume to another company- 30 miles away. It's in my field, but the job seems a bit advanced for me. the salary is 100k a year with a 12,000k bonus. THAT would be sweet. I'm good at interviewing, so if they call me for one, it's a good sign.