Carbs really bad while on GH???

[NJjuice22]

There was a post yesterday that carbs and GH are not a good idea due to insulin sensitivity from the GH. I have been eating clean carbs the entire time on GH (2 months), im having good results but am i short changing myself as far at fatloss???..im not looking to lose anymore than 10lbs and I want to keep as much muscle as possible..what do you guys think?? I dont like low-carb diets as i feel i lose weight and muscle too fast.

 

[Whacked]

Low carb is "ok". GH causes increased insulin resistance so you DO want to watch the carbs. It may effect short term fat loss as well as long term fat loss (anytime you are slin resistant=fat gain).

Carbs + ala/cla/alcar/green tea..........smart/healthy idea while on GH

 

[NJjuice22]

thanks for the info

 

[georgie24]

i thought u needed carbs on gh?

 

[kbrkbr]

It's my understanding that a low dose of gh increases insulin sensitivity, while high doses reduce it.

Regardless, gh has a brief half life -- I've read from 30 min to 2 hours -- so I just try to avoid carbs for a few hours around my morning stick.

 

[Whacked]

It's my understanding that a low dose of gh increases insulin sensitivity, while high doses reduce it.

Regardless, gh has a brief half life -- I've read from 30 min to 2 hours -- so I just try to avoid carbs for a few hours around my morning stick.

Insulin resisitance from GH is NOT an "hourly" phenomenom. It is an effect that becomes progressively more permanent (and FULL-time) the longer you're on.....albeit, reversible (to a degree) if GH use is abated.

It will effect the way your muscle cells react to glucose (less uptake---BAD) and the way your fat cells react to glucose (more uptake----WORSE).

So, a moderately low carbohydrate diet is optimal avoid furthering this insulin resistance.

Also, supplementation with ala/cla/green tea/alcar can ALL provide benefit to GH users by increasing insulin sensitivity to compensate for the reverse.

 

[Oiltanker]

what about just taking insulin?

 

[NJjuice22]

Insulin resisitance from GH is NOT an "hourly" phenomenom. It is an effect that becomes progressively more permanent (and FULL-time) the longer you're on.....albeit, reversible (to a degree) if GH use is abated.

It will effect the way your muscle cells react to glucose (less uptake---BAD) and the way your fat cells react to glucose (more uptake----WORSE).

So, a moderately low carbohydrate diet is optimal avoid furthering this insulin resistance.

Also, supplementation with ala/cla/green tea/alcar can ALL provide benefit to GH users by increasing insulin sensitivity to compensate for the reverse.

is ALA with every meal still beneficial even on a low/no carb diet????

 

[Whacked]

is ALA with every mean still beneficial even on a low/no carb diet????

As an anti-oxidant and liver detoxifier----YES. Also, any meals OVER 50 grams protein, ala would be a good idea here as well.

Most people do not account for the insulin response that coincides with higher levels of amino acids inducing insulin release (sometimes significant with those who consume 80 grams+ per sitting). THIS is one of the main failures in people LOW-CARBING/trying to remain in ketosis...........they are consuming MASS quantites of protein (not carbs) which toss them out of ketosis!

So-----yes, not a bad idea

 

[Whacked]

what about just taking insulin?

Insulin + GH = Seriously exposing yourself to the hazards of Syndrome X (read about it). As the insulin receptors are already dulled/IN-sensitive, to further bombard your slin receptors with MORE insulin is a recipe for disaster IMO. I'm of the school of thought GH + Insulin = Adult Onset Diabetes!!

Naysayers, disagree all you want, it's simple endocrinology and physiology!!!

 

[Oiltanker]

so what advice would you give to help somone who is taking gh/slin anyway....what to take with?? and what diet???
t3 at 25mcg- hell probaly use also..

 

[Oiltanker]

from what i gather your diet is suppose to be:
gh & aas =protein + good fats
slin & aas =protein + carbs

thats why im confused about what diet would be on:
gh+slin+aas (+t3)

 

[NJjuice22]

thanks whacked...great answers!!!

 

[Oiltanker]

from what i gather your diet is suppose to be:
gh & aas =protein + good fats
slin & aas =protein + carbs

thats why im confused about what diet would be on:
gh+slin+aas (+t3)

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[Whacked]

from what i gather your diet is suppose to be:
gh & aas =protein + good fats
slin & aas =protein + carbs

thats why im confused about what diet would be on:
gh+slin+aas (+t3)

That's too broad of a statement brother. Too many factors to play into the equation. WHAT are you planning on running?

 

[chriscruz1]

I have been on GH for about 9 months, I just competed at the jr. usa's but prior to my dieting 12 weeks out, I ate roughly 300-400 grams of protien a day along with 2lbs of white rice a day, or pasta and rice. I found that during my bulking phase I didnt gain all that much fat while using insulin, I took 15 iu's 2x a day, along with 4iu's of serostim. stats while on the bulking were 5'11 215 and i weighed in at 5'11 194. So in my instance I didnt gain much fat from the high intake of carbs, I also was on 400mgs of Test a week. and switched to test suspension 12 weeks out. So i think it varies from person to person and they gentics and how your body utilizes the carbs.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

This thread contains a wealth of knowledge... thanks Whacked.

I currently have no experience with GH or Insulin... but I'm considering using both substances within the next year.

 

[Whacked]

I have been on GH for about 9 months, I just competed at the jr. usa's but prior to my dieting 12 weeks out, I ate roughly 300-400 grams of protien a day along with 2lbs of white rice a day, or pasta and rice. I found that during my bulking phase I didnt gain all that much fat while using insulin, I took 15 iu's 2x a day, along with 4iu's of serostim. stats while on the bulking were 5'11 215 and i weighed in at 5'11 194. So in my instance I didnt gain much fat from the high intake of carbs, I also was on 400mgs of Test a week. and switched to test suspension 12 weeks out. So i think it varies from person to person and they gentics and how your body utilizes the carbs.

Congrats on the Jr USA's

Now, that being said------your "youth" without doubt has a lot to do with your reaction to Slin AND somatotropin! Insulin Resitance is a Progressive Disorder that effects many people as we age (read up on Syndrome X).

OVER TIME, the insulin rceptors get bombarded with insulin over the years (high carb diets; especially in the USA) and these receptors get "dulled" and henceforth, moderately unresponsive and rather sluggish over time. YOU have age working in your favor when using Slin (the ill effects mentioned above are irrelevant for you at this stage anyway) and supraphysiological exo-levels of somatoptropin will work wonders on ANYONE (not just the old).

So, young people using Slin should do extrememly WELL in comparison to a middle-aged or older individuals where insulin resistance has taken its toll on them. Adipocyctes are the eventual destination locale for insulin shuttling when Slin resistance is present (leading to obesity/heart disease/adult-onset diabetes).......whereas you youngsters are more prone to reaping the benefits of muscle cell receptor upotake of amino/glucose shuttling from the slin.

 

[Whacked]

PS: r-ALA/ALA/CLA/green tea/ALCAR all help with the insilin resistance described above.

 

[kbrkbr]

I have been on GH for about 9 months, I just competed at the jr. usa's but prior to my dieting 12 weeks out, I ate roughly 300-400 grams of protien a day along with 2lbs of white rice a day, or pasta and rice. I found that during my bulking phase I didnt gain all that much fat while using insulin, I took 15 iu's 2x a day, along with 4iu's of serostim. stats while on the bulking were 5'11 215 and i weighed in at 5'11 194. So in my instance I didnt gain much fat from the high intake of carbs, I also was on 400mgs of Test a week. and switched to test suspension 12 weeks out. So i think it varies from person to person and they gentics and how your body utilizes the carbs.

I couldn't agree more. Until I reached my 30's, I was an extreme ecto and found it impossible to put on weight. Now I'm 48, and find it impossible to lose weight without gh. At 2iu ED I can eat carbs like a teenaged boy and still drop lbs.

 

[Whacked]

GOOD topic.

Anyone else?