Cap-m-quik sizes? help me cap my r-ala

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Hey I just ordered my bulk r-ALA, and want to cap it at 200-250mg per cap. Which size cap should I use and how much (if any) corn starch should I cut it with?

half and half packed in a size 1 cap is what I've figured for 250mg a cap

My cap-m-quik device came with size 0 caps (I think) how much would I have to cut it? will the size 1's fit in mine cap-m-quik device?

 

[TechRugby]

bump it on up

 

[Canuck4]

Bump^
Id like to know also.
What size caps are ideal for R-ala and how manny mg's per cap?

 

[Frackal]

Bump I'm curious too about capping it

 

[barnidge]

Anyone selling "homemade" R-ALA yet?

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Please double check my math!

Ok so I've got the size "0" so thats what I'll use. So that means for

300 caps of 250mg each (75gm of r-ALA)

I need to add 129gm of cornstarch? (For a total of 204gm/300 caps=680mg?)

I don't really want to buy a scale, couldn't I figure the dry measurement of cornstarch and measure it by volume?

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Please double check my math!

Ok so I've got the size "0" so thats what I'll use. So that means for

300 caps of 250mg each (75gm of r-ALA)

I need to add 129gm of cornstarch? (For a total of 204gm/300 caps=680mg?)

I don't really want to buy a scale, couldn't I figure the dry measurement of cornstarch and measure it by volume?

No.

Flaming Hetero gave you "rules of thumb." Not exact capsule space. The problem all product manufacturers face here is DENSITY.

You can fit 1,000mg of one substance in a single 0 cap... yet only 200mg of another in the same single 0 cap. Fluffy herb powders are notorious for taking up space in caps... giving little bang for the buck.

Call your manucturer and ask what the density is on your r-ALA... and ask specifically how much will fit in a single 0 cap. They will have that info on a spec sheet.

Then, make only small test batches till you see that what is on paper transfers to the real world.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Please double check my math!

Ok so I've got the size "0" so thats what I'll use. So that means for

300 caps of 250mg each (75gm of r-ALA)

I need to add 129gm of cornstarch? (For a total of 204gm/300 caps=680mg?)

I don't really want to buy a scale, couldn't I figure the dry measurement of cornstarch and measure it by volume?

No.

Flaming Hetero gave you "rules of thumb." Not exact capsule space. The problem all product manufacturers face here is DENSITY.

You can fit 1,000mg of one substance in a single 0 cap... yet only 200mg of another in the same single 0 cap. Fluffy herb powders are notorious for taking up space in caps... giving little bang for the buck.

Call your manufacturer and ask what the density is on your r-ALA... and ask specifically how much will fit in a single 0 cap. They will have that info on a spec sheet.

Then, make only small test batches till you see that what is on paper transfers to the real world.

 

[Ulter]

You guys are making a mistake trying to hand cap r-ALA. I have posted this before. If you don't know how to handle this material and what to mix it with you will have a "pile of yellow waxy material" as one lab tech called it, and it will be no good anymore. It will convert back to racemic. I won't bother to keep posting this anymore, but let no one say I didn't try to warn you.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

You guys are making a mistake trying to hand cap r-ALA. I have posted this before. If you don't know how to handle this material and what to mix it with you will have a "pile of yellow waxy material" as one lab tech called it, and it will be no good anymore. It will convert back to racemic. I won't bother to keep posting this anymore, but let no one say I didn't try to warn you.

I never read that, thanks ulter.

So what should I do with it? Can you tell me what I need to do to cap it or how best to use it? Mix it with oil maybe take it by mouth?

 

[Ulter]

Bro I have no idea how you are going to use it buying it in bulk. Really. The lab that was initially going to do the capping for us lost one kilo for every one they capped. It was a mess until they learned to use special plates and ceramics to handle it. I can't imagine trying to handle that material with a hand capper. I suppose you could get a mini-scoop measure and dose it like that but you have to use plastic and keep it away from any metals and under 75 deg F when it's exposed to air. Maybe Macro has some ideas. The thing is no one in the whole country had ever capped it before we did so there were no guidelines and they were winging it. Now THEY know what to do but you don't have that kind of equipment.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

temperature is a big factor.. but if you are working with it in a warm environment (LA) and having no trouble then would highly question whether it is r-ala..

it is rather hard to work with even under those conditions... it has a relatively low MP..

 

[Canuck4]

Fuck it, it aint worth it then.
Just buy the caps.

 

[myasshurts]

Ask frackal, I know he is capping it and is having good results.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

The mini scoop idea sounds easy, where could I look into one? So tell me more guru guys, I can keep it away form metal or ceramics, keep it cool, what else? I think I could cap it w/o it touching anything besides plastic, no prob.

Does anyone know if it's stable and soluble in water or oil?

I haven't got it yet Macro, so I don't know. My biggest worry is (now) that it'll go bad before I get it (if it's real). How pure does it have to be to be so unstable?

Yeah, no shit Canuck4, I should have bought caps. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, but I'll do my best now that I'm in this situation. Maybe I can make it work.

 

[Ulter]

It should in the mid to upper 90% in purity. The worst that will happen is that it will turn back into Racemic 50-50. But the odds are that if you bought it from a source other than a licensed lab that it is 80-20 racemic anyways. You misunderstood. You CAN touch it with ceramics but not metal. NO MOISTURE whatsoever can be present or it's toast. That's about all I can tell you, Good Luck bro.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Fellas it goes like this..

Size 1 = 500mgs
Size 0 = 680mgs
Size 00 = 950mgs
Size 000= 1370mgs..

If you want 250mg caps cut it with 250 of cornstarch...
Feel free to shoot me some karma if it's helpful.. my name looks sad with only one green circle.

FH

http://www.geocities.com/fhetero/index.html

In my experience with my '00' -- I've found the caps hold much less than advertised with the materials I've been capping (see SofaGeorge's post); on average most of the caps end up in the 400 - 600 mg range (depending on substance).

I wouldn't cut the ALA with anything, chances are you will be able to cap a size '0' around the size you want if you don't tamp and top off. The best way to figure size that I've found is just cap a given amount of substance and divide that amount by the amount of caps you produce (subtract a little for spillage). Then you will know what your yield is and you can go on to cap a larger amount.

The whole cap-m-quik is plastic -- you pour the powder on top of the plastic plate and use a plastic credit card to push the substance into your caps. Wear latex gloves to avoid moisture from your skin and cap in a low-humidity, air-conditioned environment.

If you don't want to cap it, don't mix it with oil or anything, just spoon (with a plastic BAC-style scoop) it into your mouth and swish it with water. Throw a few silica packs in with the bottle of powder to keep moisture away. (not sure how sensitive r-ALA is, but this works fine with racemic).

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

You're right, machine, I just did the math for how much I got in the size "O" caps while capping DNP, and it was like 500mg a cap, and I tampered and packed it REALLY well. The silica things are smart, where could I buy a lot of them to keep my ALA as dry as posssible. I could just get a few out of some supps. Thats what I did with my DNP.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

You're right, machine, I just did the math for how much I got in the size "O" caps while capping DNP, and it was like 500mg a cap, and I tampered and packed it REALLY well. The silica things are smart, where could I buy a lot of them to keep my ALA as dry as posssible. I could just get a few out of some supps. Thats what I did with my DNP.

I'm not sure where you could buy them -- I just use them out of my other supps as well.