Can someone explain the theory behind kick starting a cyle?

[Blkout]

I totally agree, damn last time I frontloaded test and eq and those and that side effect called "strength gain" kicked in by the end of the first week, I hate it when that happens, I just cant tolerate the sides so I wont ever be doing that again.

Somehow I figured I would get a response like this out of you. You are one of the few that still say it works where as the majority of people say it didn't do anything for them.......go figure.

Either were all wrong, or your just special, whatever works for you though.

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg, the old thread someone posted on this thread, you were actually in favor of it, and said you had positive experiences. What
changed your mind?

My comment in this thread was sarcasm, after all the side effect I got was "strength gains".

My biggest pet peve is people who argue its legitimacy without having the whole story. Does the frontloading method cover every aspect, of course not but we simply do not have enough concrete evidence and blood work to take into account all the small variances so having siad that simply mathmatical half life formula's are the best we have to go on. Does frontloading work for everyone? Nope it sure doesnt, but By the comments ive seen here I would say it works for over 80%. Now im not a gambling man but 80% sounds good to me. Additionally im not using any more gear, Instead of running 12 weeks I run 10 and just add the last 2 weeks of gear onto front of cycle. So in the end, I have an 80% chance of improving the gians on my cycle WITHOUT using any more gear......sounds like a no brianer to me.

As for those who cry about worse sides, My sides for the first two weeks are the same no matter what gear or dose I seem to take. I just get oily skin and acne due to changing hormones. The severity is the same if the cycle is flat and light or heavy and frontloaded. Once again back to odds, some may suffer more, some may not notice a benefit, but the majority of those who have tried do report better cycles. Now, the ball is in your court, do you want to try it? In all truth, I wish the thread had never been originally started by Andy because there are far too many people argueing who have no clue and even if they do have a clue I am amazed at how close minded and thuroughly ground in the past they are. Actually I am surprised these people arent still pyramiding there doses, especially since there are so often the ones to whine about the sides of a frontloaded cycle. The simple fact is some people do not have any vision, they are afraid to experiment and they also fail to see the obvious benefits by throughing "possible variations" etc due to depot size, injection site, oil used, ester used and so on and so on. The topic has been covered more thuroughly than almost any other topic onm this board yet people do not read it in its intirety, fial to comprehend it or simply like to argue. If anyone doubts its effectiveness, then for gods sake forget you ever heard the word frontload.

 

[Charvelle]

Thanks Zyg, nice post...

 

[Blkout]

Zyg, surely you don't think that the members of EF are the only one's who have tried off the wall cycles before. You don't think that at some point in time almost every imaginable cycle has been tried by someone and it either did not show conclusive enough evidence to continue its use or it did and its now what most of us consider a normal cycle?

I think its nieve to make the assumption that most people are afraid to experiment and try new cycles, that attitude is one of the reasons why steroids are illegal today because very few people know how to take them properly and then there is the crowd always trying to push the limit by taking more or either trying off the wall cycles. Ignorance is a major part of the reason why steroids are illegal today.

I'm sure front loading has been done long before you were even born and I'm sure since its not a tried an true practice nowadays its because it was proven to give no measurable benefits.

Seems everyone here is always trying to come with the newest, latest, greatest, breakthrough in new supplements and gear cycles. Seems to me if everyone would stick to the fundamentals of how the body works and what it takes to grow and spend more time doing that, we would have more people growing instead of wasting their time here trying to figure out the next new miracle to get them to grow.

 

[Zyglamail]

I'm sure front loading has been done long before you were even born and I'm sure since its not a tried an true practice nowadays its because it was proven to give no measurable benefits.

Seems everyone here is always trying to come with the newest, latest, greatest, breakthrough in new supplements and gear cycles. Seems to me if everyone would stick to the fundamentals of how the body works and what it takes to grow and spend more time doing that, we would have more people growing instead of wasting their time here trying to figure out the next new miracle to get them to grow.

No measurable benefits, by all means if you have proof please show me.

As for trying to find the newest cycle etc, its called pregress and thats what lifting is all about. Sure somepeople dont have any inclination to learn about gear, they just want someone to outline a cycle and let em go. Other actually enjoy THINKING about ways to improve things etc. If your not among them, more power to ya.

 

[Blkout]

No measurable benefits, by all means if you have proof please show me.

As for trying to find the newest cycle etc, its called pregress and thats what lifting is all about. Sure somepeople dont have any inclination to learn about gear, they just want someone to outline a cycle and let em go. Other actually enjoy THINKING about ways to improve things etc. If your not among them, more power to ya.

You either avoided my question on purpose or you didn't understand. Do you honestly believe that in the hundred or so years that steroids have been around that no one has tried frontloading before?

 

[Zyglamail]

You either avoided my question on purpose or you didn't understand. Do you honestly believe that in the hundred or so years that steroids have been around that no one has tried frontloading before?

It may have been by some, but I cant say for sure. Additionally though just because it may have been used has nothing to do with what people are using now. Why has pyramiding gone by the way side for most, yet some still use it? The number of people using a method doesnt necesarily make it right or the best.

 

[Blkout]

It may have been by some, but I cant say for sure. Additionally though just because it may have been used has nothing to do with what people are using now. Why has pyramiding gone by the way side for most, yet some still use it? The number of people using a method doesnt necesarily make it right or the best.

Well if there is one thing I know about bodybuilding is that everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. I'm not slamming you if it works for you, I'm just saying I seriously doubt it works for most people anymore than taking it normally.

 

[Andy13]

Well if there is one thing I know about bodybuilding is that everyone is different and what works for one may not work for another. I'm not slamming you if it works for you, I'm just saying I seriously doubt it works for most people anymore than taking it normally.

Hey- do me a favor.. The next time you go on a fina cycle at (say) 75mg ED, I want you to start of with 25mg ED for the first week then go to 50mg ED for the 2nd, finally getting up to 75mg ED for the third..

Because when you run test enanthate at xmg per week throughout, that is exactly what you are doing.

And people using prop in the beginning of a cycle "until longer esters kick in"? That's fontloading. ... It is a concept that "makes sence" in both pharmacology and mathematics.

Andy

 

[Silent Method]

Blkout, seriously, do you have any proof to support your argument? You have given nothing but your conjecture.