Calling all Trenbolone Experts! Help!

[centeroiler]

I am preparing for an upcoming Tren Ace Cycle. I am 42, 5'9", 225 lbs., 20% BF. Training off and on 25 yrs. My goal is to build/retain the max amount of muscle while losing the absolute maximum amount of body fat. This is my first Tren Cycle, but not my first AAS cycle.I have been reading every post I can on here about Tren and I am more confused than ever. I searched and read for hours and I'm right back to where I started. There seems to be so many conflicting opinions and a complete lack of a consensus on the best and safest way to properly use Trenbolone. I'm trying to get a true compilation of the do's and don'ts of using Tren. A "Be-All End-All, Last Word on Tren" if you will. One that is straight forward, no bullshit. These are the things that are confusing the hell out of me.


Do I run an anti-prolactin?/ Do I not run an anti-prolactin? Why?
Do I run an anti-progesterone?/Do I not run an anti-progesterone? Why?
Do I run an anti-estro?/Do I not run an anti-estro? Why?
Do I run T3?/Do I not run T3? Why?
Do I need P-5-P and pygeum?/Are they useful and why?
Do I run Winny or Proviron?/Do I not? Why?
Do I run any of these compounds while on Tren, or just have them on hand for any signs of Gyno? Why?
Do I not eat carbs before bed to avoid night sweats.
Do I eat like an animal/ Do I not eat like an animal. (I am trying to lose max amount fat).
Is it liver and kidney toxic/ Is it not liver and kidney toxic? Why? How?
What EXACTLY are the side-effects? How will I know and what do I look for?
What is the best dosage and frequency? Why?
Lots of Water?
How long on Cycle???
How much Test do I run with it???
Some say libido will be down some say it will be up?


All Tren experts Please Help! Please try to explain your answers.

 

[HAYEZ]

Do I run an anti-prolactin?/ Do I not run an anti-prolactin? Why? just run caber .25 e3d to start

Do I run an anti-progesterone?/Do I not run an anti-progesterone? Why? just run caber .25 e3d to startDo I run an anti-estro?/Do I not run an anti-estro? Why? if your using test .25 adex eod to start if needed
Do I run T3?/Do I not run T3? Why? not needed but a personal choice
Do I need P-5-P and pygeum?/Are they useful and why?
Do I run Winny or Proviron?/Do I not? Why? not needed but a personal choice Do I run these while on Tren, or just have them on hand for any signs of Gyno? Why? caber and adex run if you run into trouble
Do I not eat carbs before bed to avoid night sweats. helps some people others it doesnt matterDo I eat like an animal/ Do I not eat like an animal. (I am trying to lose max amount fat). you eat the required amount of claories for your body weight to lose fatIs it liver and kidney toxic/ Is it not liver and kidney toxic? Why? How? drink water and you will be fine..i had blood test after 10 weeks of 75-125mg eod with no elavated resultsWhat EXACTLY are the side-effects? How will I know and what do I look for? insomnia acne hair loss dehydration
What is the best dosage and frequency? Why? 32.5 ed to 50mg ed to start..ed injects equal less sidesLots of Water? 16oz weater per hour
How long on Cycle??? after 10 weeks is diminishing returnsHow much Test do I run with it??? 100mg prop per 75mg tren good place to start

 

[House of Iron]

I am preparing for an upcoming Tren Ace Cycle. I am 42, 5'9", 225 lbs., 20% BF. Training off and on 25 yrs. My goal is to build/retain the max amount of muscle while losing the absolute maximum amount of body fat. This is my first Tren Cycle, but not my first AAS cycle.I have been reading every post I can on here about Tren and I am more confused than ever. I searched and read for hours and I'm right back to where I started. There seems to be so many conflicting opinions and a complete lack of a consensus on the best and safest way to properly use Trenbolone. I'm trying to get a true compilation of the do's and don'ts of using Tren. A "Be-All End-All, Last Word on Tren" if you will. One that is straight forward, no bullshit. These are the things that are confusing the hell out of me.


Do I run an anti-prolactin?/ Do I not run an anti-prolactin? Why?
Do I run an anti-progesterone?/Do I not run an anti-progesterone? Why?
Do I run an anti-estro?/Do I not run an anti-estro? Why?
Do I run T3?/Do I not run T3? Why?
Do I need P-5-P and pygeum?/Are they useful and why?
Do I run Winny or Proviron?/Do I not? Why?
Do I run these while on Tren, or just have them on hand for any signs of Gyno? Why?
Do I not eat carbs before bed to avoid night sweats.
Do I eat like an animal/ Do I not eat like an animal. (I am trying to lose max amount fat).
Is it liver and kidney toxic/ Is it not liver and kidney toxic? Why? How?
What EXACTLY are the side-effects? How will I know and what do I look for?
What is the best dosage and frequency? Why?
Lots of Water?
How long on Cycle???
How much Test do I run with it???

All Tren experts Please Help! Please try to explain your answers.

My friend you are making more out of this then need be, tren is powerful "Testosterone x 3"

I am a few years older then you and do not suffer from Gyno so i stay away from any anti estro's, Ten and EQ has been my best stack, very basic and effective. I will do 100 mg Tren EOD and just add in 200 mg EQ in the same syringe each time i inject. will do a 12 week cycle with super gains and a very hard look.. draw back is getting you natural Test levels back on line. I will wait 2 to 4 weeks post cycle and then go with 100 mg Clomid daily with 10,000 iu HCG weekly will do this for no longer then 3 weeks, it seems to do the trick for me. also once you do a tren Ace cycle nothing else you use will ever have the same effects as that cycle.
Many of the questions you ask are very common knowledge. If you suffer from Gyno then add in some a anti estro, always atleast 1 gallon of watetr per day. Prime Rose or LIV-52 for liver detox while on your cycle, get a full blood up done pre-cycle and post cycle "just pay cash to have this down" then most important map out your diet prior to your cycle!

The big thing is finding out what works best for you, so keep a log of your progress. One suggestion is do not use any anti estros unless you have no choice "anti estro will decrease your gains while on your cycle big time.

Good Luck

 

[digimon7068]

i guess i'm wondering, why tren?

i've messed around with a number of things over the years, including tren. . .i've messed around with different doses. . .way too much for my needs a couple of times imho. . .750ew test, 500ew deca, 25ed d-bol. . .dumb stuff like that. . .i'm 44 y/o and my best results to date (according to my mirror) are from 250ew test-cyp and 150eow deca (more for my joints than anything) along with 2iu ed of gh (3 mos on, 3 mos off). . .at 6'2", i'm 215 to 220 and damn lean. . .and i feel ridiculously good. . .i'm happy, laid-back, tons of energy, only need 5 or 6 hours of sleep each night, get busy with the wife 3 to 5 times per week, my attention-span and attitude are better than they were when i was 34. . .i could go on-and-on, but you get the picture.

 

[EZ_E]

5'9 and 225? Sounds like you're shopping for nothing smaller than an XXL!

Are you sure about 20% BF?

 

[DJ_UFO]

You are asking things about general use of steroids, not tren related only. I mostly agree with Hayez but most of the answers will depend on how your body react to these drugs. And when you get to the point that you feel prepared to use tren, you must know yourself first.

 

[centeroiler]

You are asking things about general use of steroids, not tren related only. I mostly agree with Hayez but most of the answers will depend on how your body react to these drugs. And when you get to the point that you feel prepared to use tren, you must know yourself first.

Actually no, these are not "general use of steroids" questions. If they were I wouldn't be so concerned about progesterone sides. I am well aware of the use of anti-estro's when using aromatizing steroids like testosterone. But, when you have some guys saying that you cannot get progesterone gyno in the absence of estrogen and others saying that you can, it's a little unnerving. I have never had gyno and I don't plan to start now. I get little if any sides from Test. At this stage in my life I am ready to use Tren but I want to be as prepared as possible. I don't want to re-invent the wheel thats why I need cut and dried expert advice from you guys. I read my body very well but I need to know what to look for. This may seem like simple stuff to you but when you do a search and get a great number of opposite opinions it complicates things a bit for a first time Trenner. I just want to be safe. Thanks.

 

[centeroiler]

5'9 and 225? Sounds like you're shopping for nothing smaller than an XXL!

Are you sure about 20% BF?

No I'm not sure but I know its pretty damn close. I have done this before.

And yes, I do wear XXL. Why? You buying me something?

 

[RADAR]

No I'm not sure but I know its pretty damn close. I have done this before.

And yes, I do wear XXL. Why? You buying me something?

Shhhhh! You're not supposed to know, EZ_E likes buying people things!

RADAR

 

[centeroiler]

i guess i'm wondering, why tren?

I want to get the absolute most out of my training while on this cycle. Tren fascinates me. It seems to me that if I want the best, leanest gains in the shortest amount of time then Tren is the shit. I know what you're saying, I feel supernatural when I'm on a good Test/Deca cycle. My sense of well-being is phenomenal. For this cycle I guess I want to go all out. Are you saying that I will feel like shit while I'm on it? I guess that's the whole point of my questions. What's the best/right way to do Tren while doing my best to avoid all the potential health problems. Overall it appears that Tren can be used relatively safely, but then I hear other guys saying how "hardcore" it is.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Tren is known for raising prolactin levels. That's why the use of dostinex is recommended. But if you've never had gyno symptoms from any other drug, I doibt you'll have problems with tren. I've tried tren and didn't use any type of anti e or anti prolactin, because never had to before. Sides that I got from tren was shedding hair like crazy, bad backne, and my cock didn't work for like 3 weeks. That shit is too toxic. Rat poison is safer. lol

 

[HAYEZ]

only thing u need to know with tren is 2 things
1. drink plenty of water
2. have caber on hand...itchy nips,cant cum,cant get hard= start cabergoline
nothing else needed to know

 

[armyman]

Tren is an awesome compound...

With that said, dont complicate it. Keep Caber/Adex on hand.

I have run TestP/Tren A/Winny. When i was on the winny, i didnt have much of an issue with prolactic/estrogen side effects. As soon as i came off i started noticing my nipples getting sore/pointy. At that time i started caber/adex, and the sides went away. I also keep letro, in case of an emergency.

If you are trying to lose weight follow a T-3 protocol, and do not eat like an animal. If you arent getting the muscular results you want, eat more. Only you will know how much to eat on this cycle. There is nothing we can really tell you.

Since you have ran Deca, you will notice the same sides with tren. Since you are looking for fat loss, 75mg tren/100mg/prop ED would be ideal, however, that will ultimately depend on your diet and training (I know, its cliche, but true).

Watch your Blood Pressure and prepare to be a pin cushion.

 

[RADAR]

Make No Doubt about it! Tren will RIP you up with any major changes in diet!

Don't make a mistake of enjoying it too much and decide to run it longer than intended as Recovery will be Way Harder.

RADAR

 

[armyman]

only thing u need to know with tren is 2 things
1. drink plenty of water
2. have caber on hand...itchy nips,cant cum,cant get hard= start cabergoline
nothing else needed to know

EXACTLY...
and if you sqeeze your nipple and you get a discharge = start caber.

 

[HAYEZ]

EXACTLY...
and if you sqeeze your nipple and you get a discharge = start caber.

hahaha i did leave out the milking

 

[centeroiler]

Tren is known for raising prolactin levels. That's why the use of dostinex is recommended. But if you've never had gyno symptoms from any other drug, I doibt you'll have problems with tren. I've tried tren and didn't use any type of anti e or anti prolactin, because never had to before. Sides that I got from tren was shedding hair like crazy, bad backne, and my cock didn't work for like 3 weeks. That shit is too toxic. Rat poison is safer. lol

Well, I've never had gyno, but I wouldn't and shouldn't say I never had any gyno symptoms. I have had itchy/sore nips but I always had Nolva ready to go. I think it's only very prudent to have everything I might possibly need on hand while I'm on Tren just in case. I can't even bear the thought of having tits let alone one's that I can cream coffee with. I'd never hear the end of that.

Your experience, and one's like it just make me want to be even more cautious. I've heard some say how toxic Trenbolone is. Do you think you could have avoided these sides if you had the right ancilleries on hand? Are you prone to baldness? Acne?

 

[EZ_E]

No I'm not sure but I know its pretty damn close. I have done this before.

And yes, I do wear XXL. Why? You buying me something?

When you say upcoming, when is the start date?

Why do I ask?

Wouldn't run tren @ 20% BF

Wouldn't run anything @ 20% BF

 

[kyoshi6]

I ran tren on my last cycle and toxic ?? HELL YEAH !! BUT, I got some of the most lean hard muscle from it. I ran 75mg ed and the sides were worth it for the gains.
Sides, sweating, limp dick, no sleep, racing heart, etc BUT awesome results.
Drink lots of water and then drink some more...

 

[centeroiler]

When you say upcoming, when is the start date?

Why do I ask?

Wouldn't run tren @ 20% BF

Wouldn't run anything @ 20% BF

No set date. I'm getting blood work done and I want all my ducks in a row, ancilleries. etc.

You wouldn't run anything at 20% BF? Ok...

Too high or too low?

 

[EZ_E]

No set date. I'm getting blood work done and I want all my ducks in a row, ancilleries. etc.

You wouldn't run anything at 20% BF? Ok...

Too high or too low?

Too high.

I don't know if everyone would agree, but I get my BF as low as possible naturally before I go on. I started once with a higher BF and the cycle didn't do a thing for me.

 

[centeroiler]

Too high.

I don't know if everyone would agree, but I get my BF as low as possible naturally before I go on. I started once with a higher BF and the cycle didn't do a thing for me.

I don't know if everyone would agree either, but are you saying no steroid does anything for you at 20% BF or just Tren?

I and others I know have had great results losing fat while on-cycle. If anything it allows you to hold and build muscle while restricting calories. I can only imagine this would be even more so with Trenbolone.

 

[Mass Insanity]

I'm personally a tren fan.. Never had any sides other than a little back acne after the fact. If you change your diet around a little you will get the results your looking for. I even thought my dick got bigger on the shit.. infact I know it did my girl always know when I take it she can tell a difference.lol Look for a good solid diet and follow it. I wanted to cut body fat and water so my diet at the time was designed to do exactly that, also increase your water intake to over a gallon a day. I run winny, T3 with tren and keep my test high and watch the viens come out. 100mgs of tren eod is what I do. I also ate a half of a plan sweet potato at night some nights and slept well most nights.. Considering I ate high protien meals with just enough carbs.. I felt like I was gonna turn into a chicken or a fish... red meat 3 times a week, and then I cut my red meats out. after a while you just get used to shit I guess.. oh and if you wake up in the middle of the night because I did some nights on tren, its a great time for a little protien intake.

 

[HAYEZ]

No offence to anyone but Body fat doesn't mean shit... High or low body fat ur gonna get the same gains..may not be able to see them but there there...that would be like telling power lifter to get abs or he can't use steroids!!!!

 

[girmarcus]

I love tren, make it and only use it. Tren 50mg ed with hcg e3d or e4d from beginning to two weeks after last injection of tren. At this dose you can be on tren for 12 weeks if you want to. NO need for any other gear, tren is one of most powerful gear out there, three to four times strong then test. You will get great gains. Drink lots and lots and lots of water to help protect your liver besides that use my method, it works I promise

 

[centeroiler]

No offence to anyone but Body fat doesn't mean shit... High or low body fat ur gonna get the same gains..may not be able to see them but there there...that would be like telling power lifter to get abs or he can't use steroids!!!!

My thoughts exactly HAYEZ. I was trying to figure out where these comments about BF were going and they were going nowhere. Sounds like someone was just being a smartass. What? Everyone has to diet down to 10-15% BF before they can get gains from steroids??? That's news to me.

Anyway, getting back on topic to Trenbolone...

 

[EZ_E]

My thoughts exactly HAYEZ. I was trying to figure out where these comments about BF were going and they were going nowhere. Sounds like someone was just being a smartass. What? Everyone has to diet down to 10-15% BF before they can get gains from steroids??? That's news to me.

Anyway, getting back on topic to Trenbolone...

You came her asking for opinions, I gave you mine.

You don't have to agree with it.

Try losing the attitude.

 

[centeroiler]

You came her asking for opinions, I gave you mine.

You don't have to agree with it.

Try losing the attitude.

Believe me, this isn't an attitude. You'd know if I had an attitude.

Yeah, I asked specific questions regarding safe strategies while using Trenbolone and how to minimize the risks of prolactin and progesterone. I didn't ask for comments about my BF% and what size clothes I wear (???)

Maybe I mistook your comments. Maybe that was your attempt at humor and I missed it. Maybe I just don't know you that well. Whatever. And no, I don't agree with your opinions. But, that doesn't mean I want to have a pissing contest about it.

Peace

 

[HAYEZ]

Believe me, this isn't an attitude. You'd know if I had an attitude.

Yeah, I asked specific questions regarding safe strategies while using Trenbolone and how to minimize the risks of prolactin and progesterone. I didn't ask for comments about my BF% and what size clothes I wear (???)

Maybe I mistook your comments. Maybe that was your attempt at humor and I missed it. Maybe I just don't know you that well. Whatever. And no, I don't agree with your opinions. But, that doesn't mean I want to have a pissing contest about it.

Peace

everyone relax no reason to argue
centeroiler -ez e is a good bro and was just exprerssing his thoughts just like i said mine

back to the tren talk...hahaha i just finished some homebrew the other day and i have spent the last 2 days sweating as i am typing this with sweat running down my arms....i love tren

 

[centeroiler]

everyone relax no reason to argue
centeroiler -ez e is a good bro and was just exprerssing his thoughts just like i said mine

back to the tren talk...hahaha i just finished some homebrew the other day and i have spent the last 2 days sweating as i am typing this with sweat running down my arms....i love tren

Agreed. ez_e, no problems here. What'd ya say bro?

I'm doing some home brew'n myself. I must have caught too much of a whiff. Man, even huff'n Tren gives aggression???

 

[EZ_E]

Agreed. ez_e, no problems here. What'd ya say bro?

I'm doing some home brew'n myself. I must have caught too much of a whiff. Man, even huff'n Tren gives aggression???

It's all good

And what do I say? I say tren is freakin' awesome!!!I love it. I used to have a guy that did some brew for us back in the day...I miss him. If you mix up too much send it my way

 

[HAYEZ]

Agreed. ez_e, no problems here. What'd ya say bro?

I'm doing some home brew'n myself. I must have caught too much of a whiff. Man, even huff'n Tren gives aggression???

lmfao @aggression.. i put my boy on tren 50mg day...me and this guy go at it and talk mad shit every time we hang out people ask why were even friends...im pretty interested to see how the next 2 months turn out lol

 

[centeroiler]

It's all good

And what do I say? I say tren is freakin' awesome!!!I love it. I used to have a guy that did some brew for us back in the day...I miss him. If you mix up too much send it my way

As you know, I haven't tried it yet. But, it sure looks perrrrty!!! If I have an overstock, haha, you got it!!! Mooooooooooooo!

 

[Mass Insanity]

Believe me, this isn't an attitude. You'd know if I had an attitude.

Yeah, I asked specific questions regarding safe strategies while using Trenbolone and how to minimize the risks of prolactin and progesterone. I didn't ask for comments about my BF% and what size clothes I wear (???)

Maybe I mistook your comments. Maybe that was your attempt at humor and I missed it. Maybe I just don't know you that well. Whatever. And no, I don't agree with your opinions. But, that doesn't mean I want to have a pissing contest about it.

Peace

HA HA HA ... kick his ass sea bass... lol you guys need to hug.. lay off the tren.hah