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cozmokramer

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I'm trying to find any runners that are out there...
lets get some runner's talk going...

what you do to train...
weekly mileage?
weight routine?
diet & nutrition?
supplementation?

Lets hear it!
 
I remember talking to you on another thread.

My weekly mileage ranges from 70 to 85 miles, weights are 4-5 times a week, though I can't handle intense sessions, because the running wears me out. Weights are for injury prevention, and to provide just enough back, shoulder and arm strength to maintain running form for over 2 hours. I also try to do a lot of ab/lower back work. I ride once a week for about 30 miles, and try to include some good climbs--ideally, I would be riding 3 times/week, but it takes SO much time, so I do the bike in the gym and stairmaster to cross-train when I think I may be heading for overuse injuries. I really love riding, though--completely trashes your legs, if you hammer the hills. As far as diet goes, I try to keep to a bodybuilder's diet, because they are the most knowlegeable about nutrition and how to keep bodyfat levels low, which is important for running. Most runners don't know as much about nutrition (Bill Rodgers used to eat mayo on pizza). I eat very low fat, high protein, moderate-high carb, about 2700-3000 kcals/day. I have a problem with carb cravings and binges, though, so I should be getting, not giving advice on diet. Maybe more fat? Calories?
 
edgecrusher...

sorry... i was referring to those that engage in long distance running... probably 10k (6.4 miles) up to marathon distances...

Cozmo
 
Yeah, I look like shit, but I still have that thin flab layer, even though I'm 6'3", 155 lbs. When I'm in top shape (a few weeks before a marathon), I'm more like 145 lbs. That way, I won't get burned on the long climbs in trail races. If I gained weight, I would undoubtedly gain some fat along with it (like I have when I went from 145 to 155), and would struggle more. But what do I know, I'm still pretty slow.
 
skinny...

well i'm 5'5 and currently weigh in at 154 lbs.
i'm only 9% bodyfat. i'd love nothing more than
to be able to slim down to say about 145... but
i'm not sure how to do it... maybe just more
miles...?

or i'll have to lose some muscle!
 
Damn, you are 9% and have abs? I was down to 6.5% at one time, and still didn't look half as good.

Yeah, I think the only way to do it is to accept the fact that muscle is gonna go with high mileage. Look at the elites--none of them are big. They run fast as hell, though, because distance running doesn't require the raw power that fast-twitch muscles provide. And after mile 22, you'll start to get pissed off at having to lug the guns around LOL. But seriously--I know one runner who runs ultramarathons and is pretty big, but he eats a lot and has a background of serious weight training, and is also a genetic freak (he has perfect abs and thinks eating lasagna, bagels, and burritos is dieting). So I guess to lose the weight, you can't' let hunger dictate your eating, because as your mileage goes up, so does your appetite. Even Lance Armstrong, who logs 4-6 hours on the bike per day and sometimes over 100 miles in training (burning an extra 2500-5000 cals per day ON TOP of maintenance), weighs his food.
 
skinny...

so what do you suggest...?

should i up my mileage and just stop any and all
weight training...?

will that burn muscle and lighten me up... and if
so do you have any idea how much and how long it
will take to burn through muscle...?

thanks!
 
I'd say up the mileage SLOWLY, so you avoid injury. Don't run for more than 12 miles at a stretch except for your weekly long run. I've found that any more too often, and I get injured (but that's just me.) If you still need more mileage, run doubles; 60-80 minutes AM, 60-80 pm, which allows the joints to recover a bit. Keep the weight training, just make it a secondary priority--like bodybuilders treat cardio. Do it after you run and try to keep moving in the weight room so your heart rate stays elevated. Naturally, you will have to use less weight, so muscle strength may go down. Good luck, and keep me posted.

By the way, what do you eat, and how much?
 
skinny...

well right now i am only running about 30 to 35 mpw...

i am doing 4 miles 5 days a week and then a long run of about 10 to 15 on sundays...

i eat a fiber cereal (kashi) with a fruit in the
morning, a luna bar as a mid morning snack, chicken and rice for lunch or maybe sushi, luna
bar and fruit in the afternoon, and then pasta
for dinner...

any thoughts on this? and a gallon or more of water a day...
 
I thought you said you take flax oil?

Anyway, I think your diet is good. If you keep it the same, and increase your mileage, you will most likely lose weight. Just beware of the hunger--high mileage makes you ravenous. You wouldn't believe how much I can eat if I let myself.
 
skinny...

yes i am sorry... i forgot... i am currently taking in 2 tablespoons of flax a day...

should i stop taking it?
 
Cozmo,

I can't imagine the flax is bad for you--in fact it is probably good for your joints, and provides energy. I'm actually thinking of taking it too, in place of some of the carbs/protein that I'm eating now. What do you think? What have your results been in terms of your energy and bodyfat levels?
 
Try this....

website, it contains LOTS of info about running long distances like dieting, training, exercises, etc, etc. It'll answer many of your questions. I still subscribe to its monthly magazine even though I don't run like I used to:

www.runnersworld.com

you may try also: www.skyrunner.com
his motto: Oxygen is overrated...if it hurts just run harder!

Corsaire
Boarding party....AWAY!
 
cozmokramer-
I agree w/ skinnyfat on continuing weightraining, but making it second priority. You'll need to slowly increase your big runs. My girlfriend has done the San Diego and LA marathons and she's done training runs up to 24 miles. I wouldn't worry too much about your appetite. When you start doing these really long runs you'll need to eat everything in sight. When I do my 100+ mile training rides I can eat 6000-7000kcal a day and still stay under 10% BF. As long as you are eating clean you'll do fine.

Run run run. I think the biggest obstacle for you will be your stride (based on your size). If you were a lanky 6'er you could make the transition easier. Focus on extending your stride when running. Alot of guys have a short stride and this is slower and hard on the knees. I don't think wour weight will hurt in fact the muscle will really help (I bet you'll lose about 10lbs and get down to 145 if you keep training hard). Endurance sports require muscle power. You might not have that muscular endurance, but your strength will help and you'll develop that muscular endurance pretty quick.

The San Diego Marathon is pretty flat. It has a few rolling grades, but generally it is flat. It's kinduva boring course. It is actually in Carlsbad. It goes right along the ocean for a stretch. The year my girl ran it the weather was cold (50s) and overcast w/some rain. It was only slightly nicer this past spring. The weather in SoCal in the spring is typically cool (50s-60s) and overcast. the weather for the LA and San Diego marathons is usually the same. Where are you at cozmo?

FHG
 
skinnyfat-
do you ride a lot? That is what I love to do. Do you do triathlons or just ride for fun?

FHG
 
I started riding to cross-train and give my joints a break from running. I would only ride about 100 miles a week, less if I was racing (running) that week. I loved it. Once I graduated school, though, my job has taken so much time that I can't afford the hours it takes to keep up riding--I still try to ride on Sundays, though. Plus, I moved to SoCal, and the drivers really freak me out. No triathelons, though--I can't swim to save my life.
 
fhg43...

I'm in NYC... thanks for the info on the SD Marathon... I knew that it was pretty flat thus why I've selected it...

I've heard that its a pretty good first timer course...
 
It's a good first timer course, but lots of people are bummed that there aren't big crowds. The course is good, but is in a weird locale so it doesn't get the big crowds like a more "urban" course. Good luck.

FHG43
 
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