bulking is crap

[DaddyX]

Learn to train, eat and how to use anti e's. It doesn't sound like you have any clue as to what you are doing.

ditto that

 

[johnny_testosterone]

thats the thing i didnt eat bad when i was bulking.i have a natural big structure not fat. i ate a clean diet when i was bulking but the dbol somehow change my phsic and made me huge and watery it looked amazing when i was on it but when i came off i saw that it gave me muscle but also some fat. so since i am naturaly big i dont think i need to bulk anymore.

Bro, what do you mean by "natuarally big"? If you mean that you were already fat before you started your cylce, that was probably your problem right there. Yo should never do a cyle with more than %10 bodyfat at the most. Due to the fact that if you're trying to make gains, you're going to have to take in more calories, carbs, and protein, so a little fat is expected. But not a lot. Dbol will make you retain water, but dbol itself does not make you gain fat. That is most likely from the extra calories, etc. However, the fat should never be excessive, and with a little cardio and adjustment to your diet post cycle, should easily come off.
You can't have it both ways. You can't make gains without adding a little fat. If you want to stay cut all the time, you will stay around the same size that you are with very little gains. That's why BB go on gaining cylces in the offseason, and cutting cyles in prep for a contest.

 

[E23]

snickers are great in the middle of a workout with some Gluc-R

 

[jubei]

Please lets not confuse bjorn anymore than he already is. There is no rule about doing a cycle with less than 10 percent bf. This is utter nonsense.

If you want to be successful you must first learn to eat and train correctly to achieve your goals, whatever they may be. Once you have developed those skills you will be ready to try a cycle in order to continue making the progress that you made naturally. Don't look to steroids to fix a problem you already have, use them to help achieve a goal that is alrady set into motion. If you don't its just going to be one dissapointment after another.

 

[kronk]

Its all in how you eat bro, but you are still going to gain fat when you gain muscle, there is no way around it. Also, when you take test your gut is going to get big and stick out past your pecs. Welcome to test gut my man, such is life.

The key is to eat as clean as possible and try to feed every 2 hours or so with clean protien and clean carbs.

Just remember, you can not build quality muscle, and not gain fat. I dont care what anyone says its not going to happen. Can you can muscle and stay lean, sure, but your not going to get big. FOOD is truly the best anabolic on the market.

 

[satchboogie]

no such thing as a free lunch!

you wanna bulk?
eat eat eat.. train train train.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Eat clean and use some arimidex or femara and you shouldn't have a problem with bloat/fat gain. I know guys who use tren in every cycle because it helps them stay lean even when bulking.

 

[drgoodbody]

Drugs (AAS) don't make you fat or help much to lean you out. It's all about the diet! Why more people don't get that and think there is some miracle pill or injection out there I will never understand. Of course, it's this stupidity that makes supplement manufacturers wealthy, and 60% of the US public overweight.

Get a clue bro.

DrG

 

[L.D. 50]

Am I missing something here?

What exactly is the definition of "bulking?" Is there a minimum amount of lean body mass that has to be added over the course of a cycle in order for it to be a "bulking" cycle?

I have yet to cycle without adding lean mass and lowering bf%. Since the cycles I have run have all added mass, and lowered bodyfat, does this mean that they are termed "composition changing" cycles?

While I agree that diet is the determining factor in body composition, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that you can't add muscle without adding fat, or for that matter, reducing it.

It makes no sense to add fat during a cycle.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Am I missing something here?

What exactly is the definition of "bulking?" Is there a minimum amount of lean body mass that has to be added over the course of a cycle in order for it to be a "bulking" cycle?

I have yet to cycle without adding lean mass and lowering bf%. Since the cycles I have run have all added mass, and lowered bodyfat, does this mean that they are termed "composition changing" cycles?

While I agree that diet is the determining factor in body composition, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that you can't add muscle without adding fat, or for that matter, reducing it.

It makes no sense to add fat during a cycle.

Everyone is different. Some people can't add muscle unless they eat a lot, but they also gain fat. Others want to add as much muscle as possible as quickly as possible, and this requires eating above and beyond maintenance calories.