Bulk/cut on same cycle

[JumpBallWinner]

Alright, I've got an idea, and I wanna know if anyone else has done similiar. I'm getting ready to go with my next cycle. It's gonna be Test e at 500mgs a week for weeks 1-10 and Eq at 400mg a week for weeks 1-15. Here's what I plan on doing with it though. I'm gonna follow my bulking plan for the first ten weeks, which means eat around 4k calories a day and not get carried away with the cardio (3x week). Then starting week 11 when I'm off the test, but the EQ has really started to take effect and has 5wks left to run, I'm gonna switch to a strict cutting diet and up the cardio to 5x a week. Also gonna add an ECA stack at week 11 and take it for four weeks. The idea is to stay on the EQ while cutting right after bulking in order to let me shed all the fat possible while not really losing any muscle from the decrease in calories and intense cardio. I'm guessing that even with a low calorie diet, the EQ will keep my body in a fairly anabolic state. It seems to me like this will produce a much better looking result than waiting to end my gear and then cutting with just the ECA. I'm also gonna take .5 arimidex throughout the entire 15wks to keep estrogen from ever coming into play and tryin to give me more water and fat to get rid of when I do cut. After finishing the EQ, I will of course do a three week pct of clomid and a few shots of HCG. So has anyone ever tried something similiar to this as far as trying to achieve both bulking and cutting off one cycle? If so, let me hear the results. Currently 23yrs old, 5'10 215 around 17% bf.

 

[Throw2Far]

I like that idea, follow it up with proper pct including: HCG, Nolva/Clomid, and IGF-1 and you're fucking set.

 

[juicejunky]

I've done a couple of cycles that way, but for me it seems to work better if I have two seperate cycles, one mass and one cut. For the cutting part I would add something like tren or winny. IMO just eq and eca won't give you the result you're looking for, you need something to harden you up. I would also think about switching the arimidex to 20mg/day of nolva (just to save money). What your planning is relativly safe dosages and nolva can take care of that, unless you are pron to gyno then stick with the arimidex.

 

[|3ossman]

sounds like a good plan. the only thing i dont like is ending your cycle with eq. it sticks around for a very long time and will be difficult to recover. if you run hcg for 3 weeks, starting one week after your last inject you should be ok. is this what you're planning to do?

 

[JumpBallWinner]

sounds like a good plan. the only thing i dont like is ending your cycle with eq. it sticks around for a very long time and will be difficult to recover. if you run hcg for 3 weeks, starting one week after your last inject you should be ok. is this what you're planning to do?

Yea, I plan on running my pct for three weeks starting a week or so after my last shot of eq. I was gonna take a shot of HCG the first day, then take a shot every fourth or fifth day, gradually lowering the dose each shot. I'm also thinking about running the ECA for weeks 11-14, then taking off weeks 15-16 and starting back on it for weeks 17-21. My thinking behind this is that I've heard the effects of the ECA stack will start to subside after around 4 weeks or so, and that you need to take around two weeks off before starting again to get the thermogenic effects. So if I take it for the three weeks while I cut, it'll help burn the fat, but then I get off it while I still have EQ in my system keeping cortisol a non factor, then start back on it on week 17, when the last of the EQ will be leaving my system and the cortisol is creeping up, in order to help keep fat down while my levels all go back to normal. Sound like it'll work?

 

[Dial_tone]

My belief is that if you're bulking so much you need a cutter then you're eating too much.

 

[|3ossman]

well, for the hcg i would do 1000iu's mwf, dont taper down. and i dont think cutting, especially with an eca stack added, is ever a good idea while your trying to recover and hold onto muscle. You need to be taking in maximum calories and nutrients when coming off, not the other way around.

if your going to run eq for 15 weeks, why not just run the test for 20 weeks. bulk for 10 then cut for 10. then when you come off you can maintain rather than making it impossible for your body to hold your gains.

 

[JumpBallWinner]

I'm not gonna cut while I'm coming off. That's the idea behind making this work, the fact that I'll still be on EQ while I cut, and that it'll keep my body in a state where it can hold onto muscle. Then when I come off I'll go back to normal calories. Not bulking calories, but not cutting calories either. Just a healthy balanced diet with lots of protein. I'll run the ECA stack again while I'm coming off to try to avoid my increased cortisol levels from adding fat to what I've just worked so hard to drop fat off of. As for the test for 20wks, I don't think I'd ever run anything for that long, and plus I'm trying to keep this cycle in a reasonable price range, and doing that would double the cost of my cycle, not to mention probably give me a hell of a time trying to get my levels back to normal after being on that long. I don't even like the idea of running EQ for 15wks, but I understand that it's a slower acting compound and that it's what has to be done in order for me to really preserve alot of muscle while I cut for those five weeks. I'm also thinking about adding some provirion into the cutting phase of this along with the EQ for added hardness. It'll do that won't it? I don't like the way winny makes me feel as far as painfull foot and calf pumps while working and running. I've got plenty of tren laying around, but I've never taken it, and don't know if I ever will. Btw, thanx for all input and suggestions I've gotten, I'm really hoping this works out.

 

[|3ossman]

oh my bad, i misread and thought you where cutting when off. I that case it looks great and the proviron is a good addition, but i dont think its necessary. eq at 15 weeks will make you pretty hard. Good luck

 

[cranny]

Yes you can bulk and cut in the same cycle. But it's not near as effective as 2 seperate cycles. If you're gonna do it though, here's my 2 cents. Go w/ 8 wks. bulk and 8 wks. cut. To me, 5 wks. is not enough at the end. Don't suddenly drop your calories for the cutting phase. Gradually bring them down.