BIKINIMOM said:At first I was like - this woman has to be nuts but after viewing the video I say if her family is content and they aren't hurting anyone then I say, what is the harm?

BlueBird said:Except for the blatant bragging, you turned out pretty decent, I guess
javaguru said:HR is going to breast feed little Darwin until he's sixteen.
hahahahchewyxrage said:That's fucked up
Anyway, I found this vid while following some links from yours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bYopROrYA&NR=1
BIKINIMOM said:Would I do it?
NO.
But then again I also agree with spanking a child, which some others do not.
So I still say, that if the children aren't being harmed in any way and her husband supports it, then why not?
When one of those kids hi-jacks their grandmother's SUV and goes for a joyride because they were pissed at their mother knowing full well that it was wrong AND that they could have killed someone BUT THEY WEREN'T SORRY OR ASHAMED... then I would say, "Yea, that is a fucked up way to parent your kid."
But until then, I say, "Why judge?"
blueta2 said:But E, how can you say these kids are not being harmed?
By contributing to their lack of growth mentally is harm.
Not all people who are fucked up hi jack suv's, some go into severe mental illness states from shit like this.
I would rather my kid steal a car than live with emotional illness
JayC9 said:those kids seem fine and their mother obviously loves and cares for them
nobody’s getting hurt here so where is the problem
bigmann245 said:i dont think the problem is with the breastfeeding itself but with the fact that the mom is letting the kids decide when its time to stop. you as a parent have to set boundaries and can not let the kid decide when to stop. its like a fat kid that the parents let him/her eat all they want and let the kid decide when is enough. Parents need to take more control of their kids or later in life the kids will run the house, not the parents. i saw it in friends of mine i grew up with. their parents let them do everything and make their own decisions of when to stop and now that they are in their 30's they have problems setting boundaries for themselves because they were used to getting and doing whatever and how much ever they wanted. lots of financial problems and not to mention 2 of my friends (brothers) still at the age of 30 and 33 live at home with their parents. one makes just enough money to party with and the other makes more than enough to live on his own but just cant let go of the moms tit. yes that pun was seriously intended....

javaguru said:HR is going to breast feed little Darwin until he's sixteen.

you're describing the symptoms of any spoilt brat, she may let the child decide when they believe they're old enough to no longer want to be breastfed but that in no way suggests a trend that runs through all other household and disciplinary issues, application of love differs greatlybigmann245 said:i dont think the problem is with the breastfeeding itself but with the fact that the mom is letting the kids decide when its time to stop. you as a parent have to set boundaries and can not let the kid decide when to stop. its like a fat kid that the parents let him/her eat all they want and let the kid decide when is enough. Parents need to take more control of their kids or later in life the kids will run the house, not the parents. i saw it in friends of mine i grew up with. their parents let them do everything and make their own decisions of when to stop and now that they are in their 30's they have problems setting boundaries for themselves because they were used to getting and doing whatever and how much ever they wanted. lots of financial problems and not to mention 2 of my friends (brothers) still at the age of 30 and 33 live at home with their parents. one makes just enough money to party with and the other makes more than enough to live on his own but just cant let go of the moms tit. yes that pun was seriously intended....
heatherrae said:hmmmmm...certainly seems very odd in our culture to be breastfeeding someone well beyond infancy. However, she seems like a loving mother. I just don't know what to think of that. I try not to judge other parents, though, so long as their hearts and motives are in the right place. I don't know if the lady is still breastfeeding because she is filling her own needs. There is a really euphoric/bonding experience to breastfeeding that is hard to explain to others, but maybe the mom is having a hard time giving that up or replacing it with more age appropriate bonding. I am ambivalent about that video.
Dev is almost weaned because he has teeth now and can hold a bottle. Plus, I've been dieting which is drying my milk up. He crawled for the first time yesterday. We were in bed and he crawled over to me (I was lying on my side topless) and stuck my boob in his mouth...lol. It was funny. (you probably had to be there.)
It gets better, smurfy. At first the nips are sore and the kids nurses CONSTANTLY. The feedings get less frequent and your boobs and nips get used to it and don't hurt at all after about the first few weeks.Smurfy said:i breastfed for 4 days
then i had to put the kibosh on that
i just couldnt do it
i spent those entire 4 days lounging around my house with no shirt or bra on just so the kid could suckle every 10 mins
not to mention the pain and scabbing sores on the nips

JayC9 said:you're describing the symptoms of any spoilt brat, she may let the child decide when they believe they're old enough to no longer want to be breastfed but that in no way suggests a trend that runs through all other household and disciplinary issues, application of love differs greatly
It's very sore at first, but it gets easier for most women. With the cost of formula at $26/can it is a hell of a lot cheaper too!Smurfy said:i dont think I'll ever do the pregnancy thing again but id i did, I certainly try breastfeeding again.
co-dependencevelvett said:I think the mother enjoys having her breast worshiped by her children and enjoys the feeling of fulfillment and invaluableness that her daughter desiring to nurse brings her.
Imagine how much you'll save by breast feeding Darwin until he's eighteen!heatherrae said:It's very sore at first, but it gets easier for most women. With the cost of formula at $26/can it is a hell of a lot cheaper too!
I really hat you.javaguru said:Imagine how much you'll save by breast feeding Darwin until he's eighteen!
UGH...poor thing.Smurfy said:oh yeah. well the formula my son ended up needing was pre-hydrogenated and pre-digested kind that was over twice the cost of regular or soy formula. the doctor recommended it because he was extremely collicky and nothing seemed to help. he was also on tagamet for his entire first year because of this. he ended up with absolutely no gastric issues BTW
nowadays he can eat and drink anything without incident and he has no food allergies other than pumpkin (if thats even considered a food)
but that first year was absolute torture for him and for us (myself and my ex) wowza

heatherrae said:It's very sore at first, but it gets easier for most women. With the cost of formula at $26/can it is a hell of a lot cheaper too!
I think you nailed it right there.heatherrae said:hmmmmm...certainly seems very odd in our culture to be breastfeeding someone well beyond infancy. However, she seems like a loving mother. I just don't know what to think of that. I try not to judge other parents, though, so long as their hearts and motives are in the right place. I don't know if the lady is still breastfeeding because she is filling her own needs. There is a really euphoric/bonding experience to breastfeeding that is hard to explain to others, but maybe the mom is having a hard time giving that up or replacing it with more age appropriate bonding. I am ambivalent about that video.
Dev is almost weaned because he has teeth now and can hold a bottle. Plus, I've been dieting which is drying my milk up. He crawled for the first time yesterday. We were in bed and he crawled over to me (I was lying on my side topless) and stuck my boob in his mouth...lol. It was funny. (you probably had to be there.)
ummmmm....OUCH! That hurt just reading it. Mine just got scabbed a little and let down was painful for the first few weeks because I was so full of milk.BIKINIMOM said:I never had any issues nursing my first three so I was beyond stumped when my fourth came along and was nipple confused and nearly pulled my nipples off at the base. You wanna talk pain?!?! A ravenous infant suckling at nipples that were cracked and bleeding from the base. I finally broke down and called the hospital lactation consultant and all I had to do was to put my little finger into my baby's mouth so she could latch onto my nipple properly. She also had thrush which spread to my nipple OMG you wanna talk bloody mess?!?! But the matter was resolved in the matter of a few days and I went onto nurse her for as long as I had milk, which sadly wasn't long at all.![]()
I confess I was probably not a very cuddly mommy type and I've only solidified my opinions as I've gotten older. One of my largest mistakes as a mother was in not setting and enforcing clearly defined boundaries.BIKINIMOM said:I find the whole scene about as odd as I found my one exbitchster-in-law's kid that (no exaggeration) would suck his thumb wherever and whenever he wanted while a small shred of his blankie was pinned to his shirt (It was worn through so she cut it up into squares and would replace them as needed)....
THE KID WAS 10!
The kid is now turning 18. He hasn't murdered anyone just yet. But I am thinkin the fact that he was allowed (and actually encouraged by his mother) to behave this way till 10 is less harmfull then the fact that the kid is an obvious queen born into a family of SEVERE HOMOPHOBES. <---- that might account for any future mass murders by him.
But hey, as long as my kids aren't present when he is pulling the trigger WTF do I care?
Say what you will, organized religion does serve some purpose in industrial society, if only to take the place of tribal elders.Oh man!BIKINIMOM said:I find the whole scene about as odd as I found my one exbitchster-in-law's kid that (no exaggeration) would suck his thumb wherever and whenever he wanted while a small shred of his blankie was pinned to his shirt (It was worn through so she cut it up into squares and would replace them as needed)....
THE KID WAS 10!
The kid is now turning 18. He hasn't murdered anyone just yet. But I am thinkin the fact that he was allowed (and actually encouraged by his mother) to behave this way till 10 is less harmfull then the fact that the kid is an obvious queen born into a family of SEVERE HOMOPHOBES. <---- that might account for any future mass murders by him.
But hey, as long as my kids aren't present when he is pulling the trigger WTF do I care?
heatherrae said:Oh man!
yeah that is REALLY sad.BIKINIMOM said:It was sad and comical all at the same time. The kid wanted to play with dolls and makeup and cooking stuff from the age of 3/4 on... His older brother ALWAYS KNEW he was gay and would tease and beat on him for it relentlessly. The mother and father were straight up CRAZY homophobes which was sorta even funnier/sadder as the mother's own brother was an admitted out-of-the-closet (kinda) gay man. There were no "gay-dar" issues but I mean, hello - he lived with MEN. So I asked him and one of his partners if they were married. They both almost passed out and the dialogue began between us and my exhusband and me. He admitted that he could not come out to his family because they were SUCH homophobes...
How fukkin sad is that? The man was 40 something for fuck's sake!
So anyways, my girls finally told me recently that their cousin David admitted to them that he was gay. And my response to them? Yea... so?
I just have to shake my head and laugh to myself at the UNBELIEVABLE IGNORANCE of some people...
Poor kid.
BIKINIMOM said:A really wise shrink once told me:
"We ALL fuck our kids up, whether we like it or not. The goal of effective parenting is to raise them with an 'acceptable level of fucked-up-ness'."
heatherrae said:hmmmmm...certainly seems very odd in our culture to be breastfeeding someone well beyond infancy. However, she seems like a loving mother. I just don't know what to think of that. I try not to judge other parents, though, so long as their hearts and motives are in the right place. I don't know if the lady is still breastfeeding because she is filling her own needs. There is a really euphoric/bonding experience to breastfeeding that is hard to explain to others, but maybe the mom is having a hard time giving that up or replacing it with more age appropriate bonding. I am ambivalent about that video.
Dev is almost weaned because he has teeth now and can hold a bottle. Plus, I've been dieting which is drying my milk up. He crawled for the first time yesterday. We were in bed and he crawled over to me (I was lying on my side topless) and stuck my boob in his mouth...lol. It was funny. (you probably had to be there.)
NEO1 said:Useless without pics

As do I, but perhaps for different reasons.BIKINIMOM said:I see your points MM, all of them good points.
A really wise shrink once told me:
"We ALL fuck our kids up, whether we like it or not. The goal of effective parenting is to raise them with an 'acceptable level of fucked-up-ness'."
I shit you not.
I gotta say, I agree with him.
musclemom said:As do I, but perhaps for different reasons.
Since I believe in reincarnation I believe we come onto this earthly plane with a certain blueprint. After having been involved in paganism I've come to change what I thought that blueprint entails. I used to think the "Life Blueprint" laid out several goals. Now I believe it lays out certain lessons, and lessons, unfortunately, are never learned without sacrifice and, generally, pain.
Now one of the greatest obstacles we face in our lives is early childhood programming. The neuroses and psychoses that were layered into our psyches generally before we hit pre-puberty.
So basically speaking, from my philosophical viewpoint, we do not choose our families/the main shapers of our early life experiences on the basis of what they can do for us, but rather based on how they can help us build psychological obstacles that we have to spend the rest of our life overcoming. In overcoming those obstacles we learn the life lessons we came here to learn (there's also stuff about forgiveness, as well as creating and relieving karmic debts, but then this turns into something far too complicated for one post).
Well, it's like I told another witch, you can't be a murderer unless someone agrees to be murdered. From a reincarnation perspective murder is an experience we all must face, as both the perpetrator and victim, but you can't experience what it is to kill unless someone is willing to die and in so dying on this plane creating karmic imbalances that will need to be addressed in future lives.BIKINIMOM said:Never thought about it like that, but the more I read and reread it, I am thinkin that makes a lotta sense.
musclemom said:Well, it's like I told another witch, you can't be a murderer unless someone agrees to be murdered. From a reincarnation perspective murder is an experience we all must face, as both the perpetrator and victim, but you can't experience what it is to kill unless someone is willing to die and in so dying on this plane creating karmic imbalances that will need to be addressed in future lives.
lots of things on ef scare me...lol...but this thread isn't.bigmann245 said:are we scaring you yet???
Ah, then you're getting into the concept of the sacrificial king (as above, so below; macrocosm reflecting microcosm). That is the experience of the sphere of Tiphareth on the Qabalistic tree of life. The lesson of John Barleycorn, Jesus Christ, Osiris or Odin, etc.,BIKINIMOM said:So what do you think about the notion that by past choices one had essentially offered themselves up to be *emotionally and spiritually* murdered so that they could be reborn, wiser and stronger from those experiences?
lol...devin isn't old enough to take pictures yet.NEO1 said:Useless without pics
heatherrae said:lol...devin isn't old enough to take pictures yet.
blueta2 said:The goal of breastfeeding is to provide nourishment to a baby, once that baby can eat solids and eat on their own, there's no reason to nourish the kid with milk.
This is the just the mothers way of filling some emotional void.
musclemom said:Ah, then you're getting into the concept of the sacrificial king (as above, so below; macrocosm reflecting microcosm). That is the experience of the sphere of Tiphareth on the Qabalistic tree of life. The lesson of John Barleycorn, Jesus Christ, Osiris or Odin, etc.,
Sacrifice is one of the most important lessons of this realm. Willing sacrifice, knowing what you're giving up and willingly giving it up anyway, is one of the ways in which we grow.
Only on this plane of existence can we actually make a sacrifice. On the higher planes we can see the big picture, so there's no sacrifice because you're not giving anything up because you know what the deal is.
Does that give you a different perspective to the question?
BIKINIMOM said:It is interesting... I was actually viewing this from a VERY personal perspective. It helped me to be at peace with all that has happened to me in the last several years. Now I don't feel so *tortured*. It really is helping me to let go of feeling like any sort of victim. Maybe when the time is right I can pass this onto my girls to help them feel less tortured?
See I really didn't know what it was that I *gave up* until I realized that perhaps karmically I was a willing victim. I can't explain how much more peacefull I became at the very moment I saw your post and digested it. And I will REALLY need to be at peace in order to face the shitstorm ahead. The papers were filed and he will be getting served by Saturday latest.....
needtogetaas said:Lets all hold hands and sing.
musclemom said:There's a book called "Messages from Michael" by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro that explains the concept of karmic debt and how reincarnation works MUCH better than I can here.
Knowing that there might have been a debt to be repaid or realizing that there could be ultimate good helps a lot. You stop crying out to the Universe "WHY?" The knowledge that somehow no matter how miserable what you're going through is, it's not just some random act of chance OR some immature and impulsive flick of a divine pinkie.
Yes, I believe that. It makes a lot more sense that "God moves in mysterious ways."
The concept of a just and loving god who oversees our lives completely flies in the face of logic. If god gives a shit about our lives (which is implied by saying believe in the power of prayer) then why would a just and loving God allow suffering? Enter the Devil. But God created the devil, so God could take out the Devil, so the implication is god LIKES evil to fuck with our lives?! That doesn't make sense, either. Enter the concept of free will. But free will has nothing to do with little children being abused by pedophiles or coming down with leukemia. Then enter the concept of "sins of the fathers." But that means that God is decreeing that it's OKAY for little innocent children to suffer because of stupid or evil shit their parents did before they were even BORN.
CONVENTIONAL RELIGION MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT LONG ENOUGH, and it basically devolves the Divine Creator of the Universe into some bratty fucking asshole who used to get involved in human lives and now just basically lets Satan do it while sitting back and saying "LOVE ME, I MADE YOU. LOVE ME EVEN IF YOU PRAY EVERY DAY AND YOUR LIFE IS STILL A SHIT STORM."
Uh uh. No. I CAN believe that what happens in our lives is dictated by agreements and decisions made when we had the ability to see the bigger picture. It explains everything. It's the great cosmic scale all geared toward growth of our higher selves.
Byron Katie might suggest asking yourself ‘is that statement actually true’? You’re implying extended breastfeeding is tantamount to emotionally abusing a child, how would you make that case in a court of law? At what age does it become abuse? Both the mother and the child appeared to be getting something positive from the experience. Just because it challenges our preconceived ideas of what is normal, doesn’t automatically suggest the child must then be psychologically and emotionally maladjusted. Restraining and publically humiliating a child is not comparable with breastfeeding which is a completely natural act between mother and child.blueta2 said:My friends ex hubby was tied up as a kid in the front yard and made to wear a skirt. This is how his parents punished him. They thought that this punishment was done out of love.
Anyone in their RIGHT mind knows this is damaging, but his parents didn't. His parents didnt hit him, so no harm done right? WRONG! He grew up to be very emotionally disturbed.
Keep in mind, any human is capable of having babies, but not any human is capable of being a fit parent.
Breastfeeding a 8 year old is demented and does not benefit ANYONE involved.
JayC9 said:Byron Katie might suggest asking yourself ‘is that statement actually true’? You’re implying extended breastfeeding is tantamount to emotionally abusing a child, how would you make that case in a court of law? At what age does it become abuse? Both the mother and the child appeared to be getting something positive from the experience. Just because it challenges our preconceived ideas of what is normal, doesn’t automatically suggest the child must then be psychologically and emotionally maladjusted. Restraining and publically humiliating a child is not comparable to breastfeeding which is a completely natural act between mother and child.
BIKINIMOM said:And Hengst you never said if your sister's older child was damaged by her nursing that child for so long. You only stated that YOU were disturbed.
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