Boxing, Juice & Shoulder Pain

[Johnny Gringo]

Slowly returning from a major nagging shoulder injury. It's been a looooong time since I've been able to be in the gym 100% and still far from it. However, I was thinking about starting back in the boxing gym. I've dabbled with it throughout my life and figured I would start back. Just a quick question about the juice and boxing. Is there a particular steroid that would be most beneficial when training? Also, is there any way to nurse my shoulder while starting back boxing?

 

[NWinters]

No steroid is bennificial for boxing. You need to build endurance, not muscle if you want to be a boxer.

 

[Debaser]

No steroid is bennificial for boxing. You need to build endurance, not muscle if you want to be a boxer.

Umm...really?

 

[NWinters]

Didnt take long for you to crap this one.

 

[Debaser]

Didnt take long for you to crap this one.

Didn't take long for you to reveal your ignorance, either.

 

[Synpax]

WEll, let's here it? What AS is good for endurance?

Yes, boxing does take muscle. Duh.

But it takes a tremendous amount of endurance. It's more intense than running. It's at the pinacle activities that will make you throw up from stress.

So maybe stuff that helps you recover faster between those 3 minute rounds will help? Steriod profiles similar to what sprinters use?

 

[Debaser]

Of course I never said boxing doesn't require endurance. But come the fuck on: "No steroid is beneficial for boxing." That's ludicrous. What do you think drives Mike Tyson's punching power? His endurance?

 

[Sub-Zero]

WEll, let's here it? What AS is good for endurance?

Yes, boxing does take muscle. Duh.

But it takes a tremendous amount of endurance. It's more intense than running. It's at the pinacle activities that will make you throw up from stress.

So maybe stuff that helps you recover faster between those 3 minute rounds will help? Steriod profiles similar to what sprinters use?

i say wrestling is the pinacle

 

[wannabebig1]

fernando vargas tested positive for stanzanol (windstrol i belive) , but he lost anyways so i guess it didnt do that much for him.

 

[TC2]

fernando vargas tested positive for stanzanol (windstrol i belive) , but he lost anyways so i guess it didnt do that much for him.

steriods do not give you heart or skill, which is what De la Hoya had.

A.S. will help you with strength and maintaining muscle during the intense training.

 

[NWinters]

I can see why BB'S take gear. But it has no place in pro sports. Yeah, we know the other guys take it. But would you want to be that guy that gets his title stripped? Or do you wnt to be the guy with the heart, the guy that knows he did it right?

 

[TC2]

I can see why BB'S take gear. But it has no place in pro sports. Yeah, we know the other guys take it. But would you want to be that guy that gets his title stripped? Or do you wnt to be the guy with the heart, the guy that knows he did it right?

The thing with boxing and AS is weight classes.

It's VERY difficult to keep you size and strength while training to be a fighter(especially a pro).

Lose to much, your outta your weight class and vice versa.

I'm struggling with this right now. I want to get back into boxing but I WILL lose all the mass I have put on unless I start jucing(which I don't want to have to do).

But bottom line is this is the one sport that he who has the greatest skill,chin and heart will win. Steriods can't give you that.

 

[crew9]

I can see why BB'S take gear. But it has no place in pro sports. Yeah, we know the other guys take it. But would you want to be that guy that gets his title stripped? Or do you wnt to be the guy with the heart, the guy that knows he did it right?

We all know people who juice and do sports have no heart

 

[lmc]

It's VERY difficult to keep you size and strength while training to be a fighter(especially a pro).

Lose to much, your outta your weight class and vice versa.

I'm struggling with this right now. I want to get back into boxing but I WILL lose all the mass I have put on unless I start jucing(which I don't want to have to do).
QUOTE]

Two things:
1) I agree it is hard to keep your size and box. From my personal experience though it is the additional conditioning work, not the boxing per se. This needs to be separated from other stuff (weight training, technical work) if mass loss is important.
2)Honestly you will rarely meet a serious fighter who is worried about keeping weight to be in a weight class. Although there is a ceiling to size gain with all the conditioning, moving up in weight class is not the hardest thing a boxer is gonna do.

 

[Debaser]

I can see why BB'S take gear. But it has no place in pro sports. Yeah, we know the other guys take it. But would you want to be that guy that gets his title stripped? Or do you wnt to be the guy with the heart, the guy that knows he did it right?

The guy that "knows he did it right" doesn't win. Top athletes, in many sports, have to use or lose. You will never be the fastest sprinter, for example, if you don't juice.

Simply "doing your best" is a fairy tale. You're deluding yourself if you think hard work and heart is all it takes to succeed at the elite level.

 

[NWinters]

So you think taking steroids will make you an elite individual?

 

[NWinters]

The guy that "knows he did it right" doesn't win. Top athletes, in many sports, have to use or lose. You will never be the fastest sprinter, for example, if you don't juice.

Simply "doing your best" is a fairy tale. You're deluding yourself if you think hard work and heart is all it takes to succeed at the elite level.

Your a heck of a role model!!!!! I cant wait to tell my kids this....

 

[crew9]

I can see why BB'S take gear. But it has no place in pro sports. Yeah, we know the other guys take it. But would you want to be that guy that gets his title stripped? Or do you wnt to be the guy with the heart, the guy that knows he did it right?

Why is it ok for bodybuilders to take juice and not atheletes?

 

[NWinters]

as for the breaking records in sports, someone breaking a homerun record while gettting glamour, huge contracts, glitz, glamour etc is a little different that some self- conscious guy from jersey hoping to be one of the 10 biggest guys at sound factory on a sunday morning. in other words; steroids exist in sports, but thats to have that edge, that advantage. what advantage does an ordinary citizen get by using steroids?? (this does not include if you are a bodybuilding competitor, again this has a cause and reason.) and thats why I care, the law cares, league officials care, sports PURISTS care, the IOC cares, personal loyal fans care.

 

[NWinters]

And im done on this subject. And I hope I dint offend anyone that takes gear, thats not what my intention was. My intention on this subject was to expose the rules in sports.

 

[Debaser]

So you think taking steroids will make you an elite individual?

Okay this is driving me crazy. I never said anything remotely like this. And you KNOW I DIDN'T. But if 2 drivers of about equal skill are driving cars they've fine tuned for many years and are about equally powered, then one guy slaps 200 lbs of boost on his car, who will cross the finish line first?

You're contradicting yourself constantly. You've completely reversed what you've been saying:

"what advantage does an ordinary citizen get by using steroids"

when you were claiming this:

"But it has no place in pro sports"

Now how in the hell does "ordinary citizen" coincide with "pro"?

 

[NWinters]

Told you I was done........WalkingBeast, lock this motherfucker.

 

[Debaser]

What a way to skirt an argument.

Whenever someone presents a case against you, your reply is "I'm done arguing." I hope to god you never have to engage in some form of intelligent discussion in your life, because you will be utterly lost.

 

[NWinters]

What a way to skirt an argument.

Whenever someone presents a case against you, your reply is "I'm done arguing." I hope to god you never have to engage in some form of intelligent discussion in your life, because you will be utterly lost.

Now I know why you were banned from Spatts forums. You never could shut up could you.

 

[Debaser]

Now I know why you were banned from Spatts forums. You never could shut up could you.

I'm sorry that simple argumentation is so taxing to your intellect. But since you brought up Spatt's forum, why don't you go ahead and tell her, and many of the others there, that they have no heart, and didn't "do it right." Moron.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Lets try not to resort to name calling. This is supposed to be a forum for information on training after all. Theres really no reason to lock the thread for an argument. If you guys cant get along just ignore eachother. If I was to lock every thread that expressed someone's opinions or a disagreement there wouldnt be much information available. If the thread just gets straight out wasteful then Ill lock it.

 

[TC2]

Two things:
1) I agree it is hard to keep your size and box. From my personal experience though it is the additional conditioning work, not the boxing per se. This needs to be separated from other stuff (weight training, technical work) if mass loss is important

2)Honestly you will rarely meet a serious fighter who is worried about keeping weight to be in a weight class. Although there is a ceiling to size gain with all the conditioning, moving up in weight class is not the hardest thing a boxer is gonna do.[/QUOTE]



Light Heavyweight over 168 to 175 pounds

That is 7 lbs...lose or gain 8lbs and you're out of your weight class.

Dropping weight is fairly easy(you also lose strength) GAINING weight(muscle) is very difficult with all the cardio involved in boxing.

 

[NWinters]

Lennox Lewis did tons of cardio, but he aslo ate a ton. If your diet is right you can be a cardio machine have a descent strength /size ratio.

 

[NWinters]

Debaser....Not once, not one time did I call you names. I like to put in my $.02 every once in awhile, but it seems like everytime I do have an opinion you think im calling you out. I think you could do a better job proposing answers witout bieng hasteful or cocky.

Nick

 

[lmc]

Dropping weight is fairly easy(you also lose strength) GAINING weight(muscle) is very difficult with all the cardio involved in boxing.

Totally disagree. In general, at least for myself, gaining muscle is difficult, but most boxers fighting below their walking weight. Personally I would fight at least 15 pounds less than my current weight. However, the current trend is for boxers to stay within 5-10 pounds of their fighting weight. To fight in a higher weight class, which in the lower classes are even smaller spread (3-5 pounds) simply means you do not sweat off weight and/or eat reasonably.
Actually GAINING weight to move up in class is rare. It happens naturally.

Originally you said:

Lose to much, your outta your weight class and vice versa.

Vice versa, yeah. But losing too much is really rare.

 

[lmc]

Lennox Lewis did tons of cardio, but he aslo ate a ton. If your diet is right you can be a cardio machine have a descent strength /size ratio.

Funny we use the word cardio. Tapes of Hasim Rahman's training sessions before last weeks fight r an interesting thing to look at. His heavy bag work was about as anaerobic as it gets. To be honest I don't think I would have broken a sweat or raised my heart beat if I had of hit the heavy bag that infrequently. It was anything but cardivascular. Lennox Lewis may be an exception. Alot of heavyweights are out of shape and carry more weight than they need too.

 

[NWinters]

On a side note about endurance VS muscle (punching power).

I know its every boxers dream to achieve that perfect 1 punch knockout, but I ve seen this happen too many times before, where one guy wants to knock you out w/ 1 punch, Which is fine as long as you can land them consistantly without running out of steam, and the other guy that can dance around avoiding that power punch, slipping high percentage jabs in your face, wearing the other guy down. Thats exactly what happend w/ Tyson VS Lewis.

Still, if your a good power puncher (Joe Mesi) that can land solid consistant blows then thats great!!!!

But I think endurance, stamina, agility will always win over a power puncer any day.

 

[Lord_Suston]

Slowly returning from a major nagging shoulder injury. It's been a looooong time since I've been able to be in the gym 100% and still far from it. However, I was thinking about starting back in the boxing gym. I've dabbled with it throughout my life and figured I would start back. Just a quick question about the juice and boxing. Is there a particular steroid that would be most beneficial when training? Also, is there any way to nurse my shoulder while starting back boxing?

First of all you need to know what type of shoulder injury. Shoulder separation is much harder to rehab than a shoulder dislocation. So you need a basic but consistant plan of rehab and rotator cuff excercises if it was a dislocation, if AC then consult a doctor first.

Most beneficial steroid for boxing: tircky question since the goal of each boxer is differrent in some weight classes. You probably want more punching power, leaness and aggressiveness-base on weight class division. IMO the training will be the most cirtical part, such as interval training and explosive punching drills but if i had to suggest something HYPOTHETICAL BASIS it would be anavar and eq for the first part. Reasons anavar will increase strength similar to test but will not cause the water bloat. EQ will allow for more red blood cells overall and will help endurance, only robelm is you will get some nasty pumps with eq but it will help. Then I would cut down with winstrol for increased aggresiveness and to get rid of any water weight.

But all of this is moot if your should is screwed, you need to lift with mostly compound excercises. these should be done before boxing practice and not after-if done after the ligament and tendons used for punching will be too lose to help stabilize the joints due to all the stretching need after intense boxing sessions. I hope this helps

 

[lmc]

Oh yeah a word to the wise about steroids. I don't know your goals or even give a damn about whether it is right or wrong. But in a number of states they DO test before fights. I realize there are ways around this, but beware with boxing you are subject to medical scrutiny whether you like it or not, unlike alot of other sports.