Book claims Tren shuts down Cortisol Receptors PERMANENTLY

[geoboy]

http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html

ANABOLIC-ANDROGENIC STEROIDS: Mechanism of Action and Effects on Performance
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good stuff VJ.

I've seen this view of the post-cycle cortisol problem, but I've also seen posts (not sourced research tho) from knowledgable vets/mods on other boards saying that the problem is merely the result of the low androgen post-cycle during recovery causing an obviously skewed testosterone-to-cortisol ratio favoring negative nitrogen balance (iow, cortisol receptors and production remains constant, but the test numbers are down).

Who's going to break the tie?

 

[drveejay11]

"I've seen this view of the post-cycle cortisol problem, but I've also seen posts (not sourced research tho) from knowledgable vets/mods on other boards saying that the problem is merely the result of the low androgen post-cycle during recovery causing an obviously skewed testosterone-to-cortisol ratio favoring negative nitrogen balance (iow, cortisol receptors and production remains constant, but the test numbers are down)."

Yeah........unfortunately....I bought into this as fact

Maybe you're onto to something BIGGER?

 

[Iron Camel]

This is a bit in another direction but there was a blurb in Men's Health this month about cortisol and injury recovery. It said:

"According to an Ohio State University study, happily married people heal more quickly. Researchers used a tiny vacuum to create blisters on the inner arms of a group of married volunteers, then measured how quickly the blisters started to heal. They found that individuals with low levels of the stress hormone cortisol began healing sooner than those with more cortisol. And those with low cortisol levels also turned out to be the couples reporting the happiest marriages."

I wonder if this inhibiting effect on healing extends to "injuries" in muscle tissue. If so, high levels of cortisol could actually slow recovery and hamper gains. Right?

Feel free to blast away if this seems completely out there.

 

[geoboy]

This is a bit in another direction but there was a blurb in Men's Health this month about cortisol and injury recovery. It said:

"According to an Ohio State University study, happily married people heal more quickly. Researchers used a tiny vacuum to create blisters on the inner arms of a group of married volunteers, then measured how quickly the blisters started to heal. They found that individuals with low levels of the stress hormone cortisol began healing sooner than those with more cortisol. And those with low cortisol levels also turned out to be the couples reporting the happiest marriages."

I wonder if this inhibiting effect on healing extends to "injuries" in muscle tissue. If so, high levels of cortisol could actually slow recovery and hamper gains. Right?

Feel free to blast away if this seems completely out there.

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Your head here

 

[geoboy]

I wonder if this inhibiting effect on healing extends to "injuries" in muscle tissue. If so, high levels of cortisol could actually slow recovery and hamper gains. Right?

I heard that protein is good for muscles or something too.

 

[Judo Tom]

Im not argueing the fact that it may, but keep in mind guys that receptors have half lives just like AAS so even if it does "shut down" the ones you have, within weeks of the cycle they will all have been replaced anyway.

how long does it take for the receptors to replace themselves....

like if you took a shot of tren base once a week or once every two weeks could you limit cortisol post cycle and still allow for rhpta recovery??

just a thought

 

[Andy13]

The idea that trenbolone could "shut down cortisol receptors permanently" is absurd... Especially without medline references.

Because our cells make new cortisol receptors every day, trenbolone would have to cause some sort of genomic derangement in the expression of the cortisol receptor.. Such an idea cannot be thought of as anything other than preposterous until credible references are provided.

Andy

 

[geoboy]

...trenbolone would have to cause some sort of genomic derangement in the expression of the cortisol receptor..
Andy

Yeah, what he said. I think.

 

[Andy13]

good stuff VJ.

I've seen this view of the post-cycle cortisol problem, but I've also seen posts (not sourced research tho) from knowledgable vets/mods on other boards saying that the problem is merely the result of the low androgen post-cycle during recovery causing an obviously skewed testosterone-to-cortisol ratio favoring negative nitrogen balance (iow, cortisol receptors and production remains constant, but the test numbers are down).

Who's going to break the tie?

I believe "blocking cortisol" is something promoted by supplement companies in order to sell some garbage product. The reason why one loses mass after a cycle is NOT a result of cortisol. Blocking cortisol beyond that which is normal is NOT desirable and will NOT result in increased gains...

BBers of yesterday have already done this (reduce cortisol off the charts). Guess what? It doesn't yield more gains. Because if it had, Cytadren would be a key component of everyone's cycle.

Andy

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The idea that trenbolone could "shut down cortisol receptors permanently" is absurd... Especially without medline references.

Because our cells make new cortisol receptors every day, trenbolone would have to cause some sort of genomic derangement in the expression of the cortisol receptor.. Such an idea cannot be thought of as anything other than preposterous until credible references are provided.

Andy

every couple of hours

however, there can be permanent semi-permanent impacts of various drugs... though have not seen any references with respect to this one.

non-genomic impacts.. though most of these are neurologically based changes.