Bloods: Proof that test boosters work

[Jbranken]

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^ This is for everyone that has bashed ntbm and mr supps products.

This is with NO SERM!! I haven't used one my last 2 cycles. Total T is 994. No free T on this test but my bloods 4 weeks ago revealed it was maxed in the high range. This test wasn't as thorough as my last simply because free t is more expensive

LH is pretty astounding in the high range, with FSH being in normal range

Estro is bombed!! Guess I need to lower my MHO poppers and forma dose bc that's the only anti-E's that I'm on

Keep in mind, I'm on a sarms1 triple stack and still have recovered this well. Liver values are a bit high but could be from lifting heavy and I did run var in my last cycle. They have definitely come down from my last bloods so they'll be gtg in a few weeks after I get my Tudca and n2guard orders in. I've been out for a while

I was running methyl eaa then switched to unleashed. Also used test infusion, bridge, forma, mho poppers and other various supps like gear and n2slin. I've run multiple ph/aas/sarms cycles and I'm able to make full recoveries still with test boosters alone.

Inb4 skeptics and flaming begins...

 

[matter2003]

Do u know what your test values were before starting that and what test booster are you taking?

 

[Jbranken]

I listed my t boosters in the last paragraph

My T is normally in the 800-900 range off cycle. Just 4 weeks ago it was in the 500's

 

[RickRock13]

Wow, that's simply amazing bro. Goes to show just how far natural supplements have come and what they are capable of

 

[EZ_E]

Great post.....IF you use the right products.

 

[xdarren18]

Your pct consisted of , Test infusion, unleashed , bridge, and forma ? Only 4 weeks ? I think I'll try that exact pct with the test stack thrown in after my eq/test run.

 

[Jbranken]

Your pct consisted of , Test infusion, unleashed , bridge, and forma ? Only 4 weeks ? I think I'll try that exact pct with the test stack thrown in after my eq/test run.

Pretty much bro. Had my other staples thrown in but those are the T boosters I used. Also used methyl eaa then my leftover unleashed once it ran out

 

[stevesmi]

my bloodwork is the same way using just T stack Rx. blows away SERM's...
nolva and clomid are useless.. they just give temporary increases and then you crash back lower than before!!

if you want to manipulate your bloodwork then use a SERM if that makes you feel better about yourself. if you want to actually recover properly then use T stack Rx, i am more convinced now than ever. burnthiscorpse results were also the same.. please read this anyone who wants to actually have a successful pct. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html

and remember I rep for ag guys which sells both clomid and nolva. but I don't care, i am gonna tell you the truth..

 

[Elrock]

Yep, MHO Poppers and Forma dropped my estrogen levels all the way down to 9 on my last bloodwork of a few weeks ago. They make for a great estrogen reducer combo. Also, let it be known I was only running a very low does of Forma (3 pumps ED).

 

[Nelson Montana]

Awesome. Nice work. And had you gotten you FreeT checked, you'd see that the UNLEASHED increased that as well -- something no other supp does as well.

 

[Jbranken]

Yep, MHO Poppers and Forma dropped my estrogen levels all the way down to 9 on my last bloodwork of a few weeks ago. They make for a great estrogen reducer combo. Also, let it be known I was only running a very low does of Forma (3 pumps ED).

Nice! I was beginning to wonder...

I knew they worked well but they've demolished my estro which I didn't expect at all. Explains a few things like lack of sex drive and sore joints the past few weeks

 

[stevesmi]

yeah you want to get your E back up. having it that low isn't good for a lifter

 

[Elrock]

Yeah, I have since stopped the Forma & MHO Popper combo. I am looking to get my estrogen up about ten points are so, but it's good to see that the MHO poppers do work.

 

[Shrine1]

Damn.. thats good work man. Are you advocating no serm for a proper recovery or is that still proper protocol? Who gives a damn about manipulating bloods... I want real recovery

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[Nelson Montana]

Damn.. thats good work man. Are you advocating no serm for a proper recovery or is that still proper protocol? Who gives a damn about manipulating bloods... I want real recovery

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That's the irony. SERMS don;t give real recovery. They mask the symptoms for a little while. You need to get you hormones functioning on their own. That's where the right T boosters can help .

 

[Jbranken]

Damn.. thats good work man. Are you advocating no serm for a proper recovery or is that still proper protocol? Who gives a damn about manipulating bloods... I want real recovery

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I'm not necessarily saying not to use one. What works for me may not work for everyone. I'm just trying to lay to rest the negative things I keep hearing about OTC t boosters. There's a lot of bunk ones out there, but these work without a doubt. I personally am not a fan of the sides that serms can give me, so I won't be using them again

 

[Shrine1]

Good to know bro.. I know I didnt fully recover from my first cycle so I guess you have to really figure out what works best for you. I actually was just talking to WPA about this too. 4 weeks just isnt enough in some cases so incorporating the proper test boosters with the right amount of time is crucial in PCT.

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[stevesmi]

i still mantain the guys who advocate clomid/nolva pct are guys who don't even cycle themselves. i have never seen bloodwork from these guys proving recovery after the 2 SERM stack. and I'm talking about stopping taking them for weeks and then testing.. not testing while they are on them which is just manipulating the body into producing T and LH, once you stop taking them that manipulation is gone and you crash down .. add to that the fact that they make you feel like crap and it makes no sense.

and as nelson always says if they worked so well to boost T levels how come people don't just run them for cycles OR how come they aren't used for HRT.. its cause they are fools gold, you think your T levels are up but its really a ruse cuz the drugs are fooling the body into doing something it doesn't want to do. vs. running T stack Rx and feeling good and making gains in pct while your body eases into recovery. not only that but T stack also does what hcgenerate does which is help restore HPTA function and plump your nuts so its a suitable replacement for hcg as well

 

[Shrine1]

i still mantain the guys who advocate clomid/nolva pct are guys who don't even cycle themselves. i have never seen bloodwork from these guys proving recovery after the 2 SERM stack. and I'm talking about stopping taking them for weeks and then testing.. not testing while they are on them which is just manipulating the body into producing T and LH, once you stop taking them that manipulation is gone and you crash down .. add to that the fact that they make you feel like crap and it makes no sense.

and as nelson always says if they worked so well to boost T levels how come people don't just run them for cycles OR how come they aren't used for HRT.. its cause they are fools gold, you think your T levels are up but its really a ruse cuz the drugs are fooling the body into doing something it doesn't want to do. vs. running T stack Rx and feeling good and making gains in pct while your body eases into recovery. not only that but T stack also does what hcgenerate does which is help restore HPTA function and plump your nuts so its a suitable replacement for hcg as well

Do you run clomid/nolva in your PCTs?

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[Sakari]

There is no way to prove that one method of PCT protocol consistently works over another. I included test boosters in my PCT as they certainly will not hurt. I believe that they will help. But, while natty test boosters are becoming more popular, I still don't envision most educated bodybuilders doing a multi-compound heavy dose long term cycle and leaving out SERMs altogether. There are too many stories of successful recoveries when people used no natty boosters. The only way to truly protect yourself properly would be to use both. I'd rather overshoot my recovery and deal with a few minor sides than take the risk of falling short. That's just me. Others may feel differently.

 

[eddymerckx]

I am more concerned about your liver values--AST(SGOT) 50% above highest range & Alt (SGPT) a bit elevated. total bilirubin/alkaline phosphatase/albumin/protein which is not what would be expected given the AST (SGOT)number so you may have a cardiac muscle issue or something random along the liver route. I would see a doc -maybe for imaging

Blood glucose is very high normal but that number can be way off if you did not do a proper fast

 

[Jbranken]

I didn't fast... Bloods were done in the evening. Like I said, liver values were much higher 4 weeks ago and are dropping. It could have been from 80mg of var ED for 6 weeks. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

 

[stevesmi]

Do you run clomid/nolva in your PCTs?

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when i started out in the game i ran them exclusively. pct was awful.

then i ran them with natty supps and pct got better

now i do not run them at all and just run T stack Rx and my pct's the past year have been the best. i feel great during pct. the lack of sides is what makes it awesome

 

[Shrine1]

when i started out in the game i ran them exclusively. pct was awful.

then i ran them with natty supps and pct got better

now i do not run them at all and just run T stack Rx and my pct's the past year have been the best. i feel great during pct. the lack of sides is what makes it awesome

I think I may give this a try steve.. im curious to see how I recover with the proper supps. Would you say that getting bloods done a week after Completed PCT would be a good indicator?

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[stevesmi]

I think I may give this a try steve.. im curious to see how I recover with the proper supps. Would you say that getting bloods done a week after Completed PCT would be a good indicator?

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depends..

a 12 week cycle and then using T stack for 8 weeks.. then yes you can run bloods

but doing 16 weeks and just 8 week pct isn't enough ... guys need to give it more time.. also it depends on the esters you are using. if you use deca or U esters then obviously you need to run a longer pct.. if its short esters than 8 weeks is fine.

the whole 4 week pct is bullshit internet broscience. you haven't even cleared out the hormones out of your system yet for it to recover you!!

the best way if you run long esters to save money on PCT is 4 weeks T stack Rx, 2 weeks off.. then 4 weeks on.. run 3 caps per day and each bottle lasts 4 weeks.. so that is a 10 week pct total.

here is a good writeup on T stack and also links and codes to save money.. there is a great buy 2 get 1 free deal which makes the product 33% off per bottle.. so that is a great deal http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html

 

[Jbranken]

depends..

a 12 week cycle and then using T stack for 8 weeks.. then yes you can run bloods

but doing 16 weeks and just 8 week pct isn't enough ... guys need to give it more time.. also it depends on the esters you are using. if you use deca or U esters then obviously you need to run a longer pct.. if its short esters than 8 weeks is fine.

the whole 4 week pct is bullshit internet broscience. you haven't even cleared out the hormones out of your system yet for it to recover you!!

the best way if you run long esters to save money on PCT is 4 weeks T stack Rx, 2 weeks off.. then 4 weeks on.. run 3 caps per day and each bottle lasts 4 weeks.. so that is a 10 week pct total.

here is a good writeup on T stack and also links and codes to save money.. there is a great buy 2 get 1 free deal which makes the product 33% off per bottle.. so that is a great deal http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-before-test-stack-rx-came-along-1257623.html

Exactly. My pct has basically been 8 weeks of cycling through different T boosters. 4 weeks just isn't enough

 

[Sakari]

After reading the last few threads, I think I will add a few weeks of additional test boosters on the back end of my PCT. So, once the SERMS stop at 4 weeks, I will continue on with test boosters for a few more weeks. What would be your suggestion? I would only have DAA leftover so I will be ordering new stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

After reading the last few threads, I think I will add a few weeks of additional test boosters on the back end of my PCT. So, once the SERMS stop at 4 weeks, I will continue on with test boosters for a few more weeks. What would be your suggestion? I would only have DAA leftover so I will be ordering new stuff.

you can run T stack 2 caps per day and each bottle will last 45 days. or more optimally 3 caps will last 30 days.. its up to you.

keep in mind when you stop the SERM's your T and LH will crash back down after about 2 weeks.. guys who run bloods within that window get fooled into thinking they are recovered when they are not.

http://w3.teststackrx.com/109.html << use this link and use the codes Buy 2 get 1 free GET1FREE (make sure you have 3 in your cart before applying)
or 20% off HZI7WTBZ

its like using 15 supps at one time and I will tell you what.. it comes with 110% money back guarantee so keep the bottles and your receipt.. if it doesn't work as well as I am telling you it works then just send it back and you get your money back plus 10% on top for your troubles. but i guarantee it will work, your nuts will plump up after a week on the stuff so you know its working. and you will be humping chicks left and right, and not just the stanks either.. well some of them might be

 

[Shrine1]

Lol

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[Sakari]

Ha Ha... My old lady might not like me humping chicks left and right. I'll ask and see what she says......

Yes, I will order the stuff so I'll have it ready once the SERMS stop. And I'll run it as you suggested. Thank you

 

[stevesmi]

Ha Ha... My old lady might not like me humping chicks left and right. I'll ask and see what she says......

Yes, I will order the stuff so I'll have it ready once the SERMS stop. And I'll run it as you suggested. Thank you

what she doesn't know won't hurt her .. haha jk!!!

just PM me anytime you need me to help out with pct guys.. always here to help

 

[Elrock]

I would run the T-Stack 17 at 3 caps ED vs 2 caps ED. It seems to give me a quite a noticeable boost when run at 3 caps.
HCGenerate ES is also a great T booster supp. that can be ran on cycle or in PCT.

 

[dylangemelli]

Excellent information bro... Thank you for posting this... This is an excellent circumstance of just how far pct structure and excellent recovery has come... I am really happy to see the recovery you made and am very happy for you with your progress... You have been working hard for a long time and are making great progress...

 

[Jbranken]

Excellent information bro... Thank you for posting this... This is an excellent circumstance of just how far pct structure and excellent recovery has come... I am really happy to see the recovery you made and am very happy for you with your progress... You have been working hard for a long time and are making great progress...

Thanks for the support Dylan. Hopefully the thread is helpful to a few guys.

 

[philbilly]

Thanks for taking the time to get bloods done and sharing this with us. Just curious what your cycle looked like and what your dosing protocol was for PCT? Also do you plan on getting bloods done after the PCT supps clear your system to truly guage recovery? I've always thought the old clomid/nolva pct was bullshit especially that stupid front loaded high dose self poisoning mess that's all over the web. Maybe your post with proof can help to open some eyes.

 

[Shrine1]

Jbranken... thanks again for taking the time to get these bloods done bro. Ive read it a few times now... It just shows how great NTBM and Mr. Supps products are.

So many cats dont take their PCT serious and try to go cheap.. Its your health on the line man!

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[Jbranken]

Thanks for taking the time to get bloods done and sharing this with us. Just curious what your cycle looked like and what your dosing protocol was for PCT? Also do you plan on getting bloods done after the PCT supps clear your system to truly guage recovery? I've always thought the old clomid/nolva pct was bullshit especially that stupid front loaded high dose self poisoning mess that's all over the web. Maybe your post with proof can help to open some eyes.

When I got bloods done, the only thing I was on (as far as T boosters) was ntbm Bridge. I had already finished out my unleashed/test infusion/methyl eaa days before, or even longer. Just a double dose of bridge. I was on test/eq/var and my pct protocol was the recommended dosage for everything except unleashed/bridge. I double dosed them

 

[Sakari]

Awesome you had a great recovery! Hope all of the gains you made hold.

 

[Jbranken]

Awesome you had a great recovery! Hope all of the gains you made hold.

Thanks buddy! I hope so too. I've added some more quality muscle since my cycle with the sarms triple stack. Up to 242