Blood work back - Lesson to be learned!!!

[alltraps]

my history:

been cycleing for a few years, some very heavy cycles, but not long ones.

time off has always been at least, and usualy longer then time on.

last cycle ended end of summer, and after 12 weeks, i got blood work done.

results: everything is good, except BIO AVAILABLE TEST

normal range is 6-22
i scored a whopping 2.5

lesson to be learned: even though PCT was done correctly, and adaquate time has been taken off, that doesnt mean you have recovered fully. blood work is the only way to really know.


just wanted to share this, as a lot of questions are always asked about "time on = time off"

be carefull, and get regular blood work done.


stay safe

 

[Livewire]

very well spoken

 

[chordz]

So are you going to try to raise your levels or just wait it out?

 

[KINGKONG69]

yeah, what are you gonna do to raise it back up

 

[SNlPER]

what is "BIO AVAILABLE" ????

 

[JuicePimp]

Dang bro, 2.5? That sucks. What did the doc doing the bloodwork say to that? And like the others have asked, what are your recovery plans now.

 

[Animal]

Nobody knows if it will EVER come back which is part of the point.

 

[chordz]

I think PCT is a short term fix. Lots of people get tested with low test months after a cycle but still retain a lot of gains from a cycle. Something doesn't add up, with such low test you would think all your gains would disapear and you would become frail and pale but not so.

 

[theprofessional]

What was total test?

 

[alltraps]

total test is totaly irrelevant for this purpose. what am i going to do?

well he perscribed me andriol, which is a shit ass oral test here in canada.

the sad thing is, while waiting for the test results to come back, which took a month, i went back on. so im 3 weeks into a new cycle now. it will end at week 7 though and will do a serious round of HCG. clomid, nolva,

what i think may have happened, was that i did bridge with anavar and proviron for 7 weeks post cycle. so this may have a lot to go with me being so low, even 5 weeks after all drugs stopped.

my doc didnt seem to concerned about this. he said that i have two options: either start taking the oral test, which will NOT help in the long run, only make it worst, or
wait it out and get retested in 3 months. he has other guys from my gym, and said its common for guys to be supressed for 6 months even after a modest cycle.

so after this cycle, its gonna be a long while before i see gear. i;ll stick with GH and slin.

 

[Dial_tone]

So he knows about the cycles. It's good to see vets reporting their bloodwork...maybe some of these rookies will start to realize they're not bulletproof.

 

[alltraps]

So he knows about the cycles. It's good to see vets reporting their bloodwork...maybe some of these rookies will start to realize they're not bulletproof.

thats exactly why i posted this. people have to realize the dangers of these drugs. its not all fun and games when you are 27 y/o and might have to be on HRT for the rest of your life.

 

[Goldprospector]

good thread.

 

[DrJMW]

Excellent thread--points well taken. Good to see that someone has learned a valuable lesson in steroidology.

 

[georgie24]

so you extended a 12 weeker with 7 weeks of anavar and proviron making it a total 19 weeks? total time on was about 20 weeks then. no wonder bro

p.s no flames just a heads up

 

[test-monkey]

what i think may have happened, was that i did bridge with anavar and proviron for 7 weeks post cycle. so this may have a lot to go with me being so low, even 5 weeks after all drugs stopped.

if i'm reading this right, after your cycle was over you used anavar and proviron for 7 weeks. guess what it's not post cycle if your still using anavar. anavar is suppresive and well proviron is controversial.

so you were on for how ever long durring the summer, and then 7 weeks, so when you got tested you were only 5 weeks post cycle which in most cases isn't enough time to recover. so if I were you i would wait it out and then get tested again when you are TOTAL off drugs for at least 12 weeks, I'm sure your levels will recover, next time don't consider using anavar and say that "your off" good luck

 

[Dial_tone]

I never have liked this bridge idea. Call a spade a spade and just stay on. In the past I've typically stayed off for 5-6 months. My last cycle ended May 10 and I just started up again this week. For 2004 I intend to go 12-15 weeks between cycles.

 

[javaguru]

Bump for post cycle blood work.

 

[alltraps]

what i think may have happened, was that i did bridge with anavar and proviron for 7 weeks post cycle. so this may have a lot to go with me being so low, even 5 weeks after all drugs stopped.

if i'm reading this right, after your cycle was over you used anavar and proviron for 7 weeks. guess what it's not post cycle if your still using anavar. anavar is suppresive and well proviron is controversial.

so you were on for how ever long durring the summer, and then 7 weeks, so when you got tested you were only 5 weeks post cycle which in most cases isn't enough time to recover. so if I were you i would wait it out and then get tested again when you are TOTAL off drugs for at least 12 weeks, I'm sure your levels will recover, next time don't consider using anavar and say that "your off" good luck

this is a good point. even though the anavar dose was only 15mg.day, it still may have been supressive.

from now on, bridges will only consist of Gh and slin. and like dial tone, i will take double the time off then on between cycles,

 

[rjl296]

this is a good point. even though the anavar dose was only 15mg.day, it still may have been supressive.

from now on, bridges will only consist of Gh and slin. and like dial tone, i will take double the time off then on between cycles,

id say it was definately suppressive. it has to be. so you were only of for 5 weeks , b4 the test ??.
also, why did it take a month to get baclk , im in canada and at the most it takes me 10 days ??

i go for my blood work this week.

 

[alltraps]

id say it was definately suppressive. it has to be. so you were only of for 5 weeks , b4 the test ??.
also, why did it take a month to get baclk , im in canada and at the most it takes me 10 days ??

i go for my blood work this week.

on the lab sheet, it even said that this test takes 30 days to return the results.

 

[Mr. Black]

Try another lab, I got my results back in 3 days.

 

[Nathan]

If you want a little more advice I'd say that gh will keep you shut down as well. I don't know what happened when I used it but it had me horny a lot though it could have been due to prolactin elevation or something, I dunno. I did no recover this time of either (I used 10mg od d-bol in the am and some gh through a bit of it) I got sick as well due to narcotics abuse and will stay away from the other drugs for a while but will go back on anyways since I would like to compete. I learned a lesson this time as well. All things considered I'll probably have been more or less shut down for over a year before I come off again completely which sucks but it's too damn late now. I've had no problems recovering in the past so hopefully I'll be able to again.

Oh, and one important thing: I never use hcg but I did use clomid and I think a little nolva post cycle along with the d-bol and my balls came back to full size. I stopped the clomid and nolva and maybe a month or two after that my balls shrank again a bit. hat could have been the gh I dunno bu I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[cdownie927]

i also got mine back in 3days

 

[Animal]

I don't know of that being a problem with hGH and in fact have heard the exact opposite.

As for 'not recovering' this thread is evidence that you can permanently shut yourself down no matter what you do if you are on too long and that's exactly what happened.

 

[alltraps]

I don't know of that being a problem with hGH and in fact have heard the exact opposite.

As for 'not recovering' this thread is evidence that you can permanently shut yourself down no matter what you do if you are on too long and that's exactly what happened.

i wouldnt say permanant! realy, it was 5 weeks after a 20 weeks cycle (if you count the bridge)

 

[Nathan]

I don't know of that being a problem with hGH and in fact have heard the exact opposite.

As for 'not recovering' this thread is evidence that you can permanently shut yourself down no matter what you do if you are on too long and that's exactly what happened.

That's what I thought. However, gh effects other hormone levels as well and all I'm saying is that it would be worth while to get you levels checked with the gh as well. I have heard it's supporessive and I've heard it's not. I chose to believe it wasn't, now I'm simply saying something was different this time around with the gh thrown in, though I wasn't on it for overly long all things considered.

 

[TraxZBT]

its too soon bro, give yourself 2-3 months. Hell I start to feel somewhat normal after only 2 months.

 

[Mr. Black]

Alltraps just for the hell of it what was your total test? I am curious as to the corelation between your free and your total.

 

[Triple J]

total test is very relevant as, if it is normal then your problems lay elsewhere than your balls

proviron is generally accepted as non-suppressive and could help increase the free T by binding up and reducing the SHBG

also estrogen levels are relevant because if total T is back to normal and e is high that will drive up the SHBG leading to reduced bioavailable (free) T

likely just need more like 2-3 months vs. just five week post-cycle

good luck

 

[alltraps]

i realy dont know what the total test was. doc never told me.

 

[Dial_tone]

As for 'not recovering' this thread is evidence that you can permanently shut yourself down no matter what you do if you are on too long and that's exactly what happened.

So 5 weeks later you're prepared to say he's shut down permanently? Interesting.

 

[georgie24]

bump

 

[Super Test 2004]

Hope things get back to normal for you soon.
Well written post, thanks bro.
Something to keep in mind.

 

[CLOBRO]

thats exactly why i posted this. people have to realize the dangers of these drugs. its not all fun and games when you are 27 y/o and might have to be on HRT for the rest of your life.

That's me bro, 30 years old and on HRT for life. I don't relate my problem to cycling though as my T levels were low before I started AAS. I wasn't happy with my sex drive, muscle mass and felt depressed etc. Not sure if it is a coincidence or a genetic thing, but my father's T levels were the second lowest my HRT doc had ever seen.

Can't believe he gave you andriol, that stuff is useless.

 

[alltraps]

That's me bro, 30 years old and on HRT for life. I don't relate my problem to cycling though as my T levels were low before I started AAS. I wasn't happy with my sex drive, muscle mass and felt depressed etc. Not sure if it is a coincidence or a genetic thing, but my father's T levels were the second lowest my HRT doc had ever seen.

Can't believe he gave you andriol, that stuff is useless.

he said i can try anriol, if it doesnt help, he;ll give me test cyp.

so i am not going to take the andriol. just wait it out

 

[Mavy]

Just a question ... (flame if you want), if you are on HRT, are you allowed to take your shots on your own? Or is it weekly trips to the doc? I dont know anyone on HRT.

Mavy

 

[alltraps]

i believe you can do it either way, my doc knows i have substantial experience with self injections, so he would let me do it myself. for older guys that are on HRT for other reasons, will probably be scared to stick themselves so a weekly trip to the office is needed

 

[majutsu]

Excellent post alltraps, good thread.

 

[TheRide]

on the lab sheet, it even said that this test takes 30 days to return the results.

What is your typical cycle like???
WHat AAS's, duration, etc... Just curious.

 

[CLOBRO]

Just a question ... (flame if you want), if you are on HRT, are you allowed to take your shots on your own? Or is it weekly trips to the doc? I dont know anyone on HRT.

Mavy

I do my own shots. I went through an HRT clinic in Burlington, Ontario. www.mastersmensclinic.com if anyone is interested.

 

[alltraps]

What is your typical cycle like???
WHat AAS's, duration, etc... Just curious.

cycles have never been over 8 weeks, except the last one, which was 20, including the anavar bridge.

typical cycle was dbol 50-60mg
test 1000-1400mg
deca or eq 600mg

and i must stress, I ALWAYS TOOK MORE TIME OFF THEN TIME ON, ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!! and have always used PCT

CLODRO, thanks for the link,. i;ll check it out sometime, i live 30mins from there

 

[georgie24]

hrt is a good idea

 

[CLOBRO]

CLODRO, thanks for the link,. i;ll check it out sometime, i live 30mins from there

Cool bro, shoot me a PM and let me know how it goes or if you have any questions. I brought my dad to the same clinic and he is on HRT now too. I pushed hard to get the shots, my dad started with Androil (with his family doc), then Androgel at this clinic and is now on a custom made gel with a higher testosterone concentration. Still don't think it is working well enough for him. I think he is going to have to go for the shots. I offered to give him a shot to see if it makes him feel any better. Hope he will switch to shots.

HRT doc at that clinic actually advised me that there are two new HRT gels soon to be released in Canada and one is far superior to Androgel....

 

[alltraps]

Cool bro, shoot me a PM and let me know how it goes or if you have any questions. I brought my dad to the same clinic and he is on HRT now too. I pushed hard to get the shots, my dad started with Androil (with his family doc), then Androgel at this clinic and is now on a custom made gel with a higher testosterone concentration. Still don't think it is working well enough for him. I think he is going to have to go for the shots. I offered to give him a shot to see if it makes him feel any better. Hope he will switch to shots.

HRT doc at that clinic actually advised me that there are two new HRT gels soon to be released in Canada and one is far superior to Androgel....

BTW how old are you?

i dont want to be on HRT for the rest of my life. i want babies!

 

[CLOBRO]

BTW how old are you?

i dont want to be on HRT for the rest of my life. i want babies!

I'm 30. I'm on HCG and one of the reasons is that my HRT doc feels it's important to retain my fertility. Though at this point in my life, I can't see ever having kids.