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Stainless_Steel

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I got my test levels checked and the results came back in the mail. I've got to go back to the doctor next week, but the letter sent with the results says I'm within normal range. I wanted you guys to take a look and tell me what you think.
I'm 27. I haven't cycled in over a year and I don't plan on it ever again. Even though I have thought about it b/c I'm gaining fat. Here's what I got:

TSH+ Free T4
TSH 1.578 uIU/ml 0.350-5.500
T4/Free 1.46 ng/dL 0.61-1.76


Testosterone, Free, Direct
Free Testosterone(Direct) 12.3pg/mL 9.3-26.5

Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 447ng/dL 241-827
 
Stainless_Steel said:
I got my test levels checked and the results came back in the mail. I've got to go back to the doctor next week, but the letter sent with the results says I'm within normal range. I wanted you guys to take a look and tell me what you think.
I'm 27. I haven't cycled in over a year and I don't plan on it ever again. Even though I have thought about it b/c I'm gaining fat. Here's what I got:

TSH+ Free T4
TSH 1.578 uIU/ml 0.350-5.500
T4/Free 1.46 ng/dL 0.61-1.76


Testosterone, Free, Direct
Free Testosterone(Direct) 12.3pg/mL 9.3-26.5

Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 447ng/dL 241-827
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Damn near perfect on all of the above ^ ^ ^

Where's your Estradiol should be: 6.45 - 66.7. I'll bet you are around 42-50.
 
Although your tests are all WNL, I would be willing to bet my bottom dollar you went too hard and too high on your cycles bc your symptoms and levels are lower than normally would be expected. (MDs start HRT in men > 40 when their TT are around 400ng/dl). In someone your age this would be called secondary hypogonadism or "Nad burn" would be the laymans BB term.

Hypogonadism is "functional suppression" of pituitary gonadotropins. A course of clomiphene citrate would typically be initiated. Studies have shown that this tx, if continued for 4 months (25-50mg/day) would improve sexual function, increase luteinizing hormone (P<0.001) and free testosterone (P<0.001). Failing this, the next step is test supplementation.

You guys all recommending or thinking about taking > 1gm of test or mega A-bombing for a first cycle should think about this!
 
todoveritas said:
Although your tests are all WNL, I would be willing to bet my bottom dollar you went too hard and too high on your cycles bc your symptoms and levels are lower than normally would be expected. (MDs start HRT in men > 40 when their TT are around 400ng/dl). In someone your age this would be called secondary hypogonadism or "Nad burn" would be the laymans BB term.

Hypogonadism is "functional suppression" of pituitary gonadotropins. A course of clomiphene citrate would typically be initiated. Studies have shown that this tx, if continued for 4 months (25-50mg/day) would improve sexual function, increase luteinizing hormone (P<0.001) and free testosterone (P<0.001) .


Yeah, nothing is showing any clinical deficiencies, but at 27 your total and free T could be higher. I would not recommend clomid because the effects will only be temporary and the sides can be horrendous. To increase free T, I'd suggest a one month course of UNLEASHED followed by another blood test but I realize another test many not be practical. If we knew your estradiol that would help. A natty anti e may be in order as well, or if it's really high, a low dose of dexx or aromasin. But don't treat a problem you may not have. Get the facts.
 
Really. None of them are kinda low? I don't know about my Estradiol? I took him in a whole list of stuff to check that I got from some good bros on here and some searching. He just wanted to check those first. He said if they came back low then he would check the others.
I went in complaining of low libido,depression,fat gain around stomach, and loss of interest in things I used to enjoy, which is all true. Could my Estrogen level be high?
I also came off of Accutane in November. I stopped taking it after 3 months b/c of vision problems and headaches. I've still got some small acne that you can only see in the sunlight, but I want this shit gone before summer time gets here. The acne not going away is really depressing me. Maybe that's where my problem is. I'm on Doryx right now which is doing nothing.
 
If I was in your shoes, I would follow Nelson's advice before resorting to meds. Why risk the sides if you can fix it with natty supplementation. Whatever you do, don't try cycling again until your boys are back in the game.
 
What should I ask my doctor to do when I go back? Sould I ask hime to check and see if my Estrogen level is high? and if so, give me an anti-E? Or will he know somethings up? This is a new doctor. When I gave him the list of the things I wanted to check he just said "You been doing some research online?"
 
Stainless_Steel said:
I went in complaining of low libido,depression,fat gain around stomach, and loss of interest in things I used to enjoy...
I also came off of Accutane in November. I stopped taking it after 3 months...

Doctors in the US say" "When you hear a hoofbeat, look for a horse and not a zebra."

That means don't go looking for things that aren't there. There are 3 potential answers for your concerns. None involve elevated estrogen.
1. Depression
2. Functional hypogonadism
3. liver problems (possibly the Accutane or whatever orals. (Did you do orals and accutane at the same time? If so, increases this possibility.

I would ask for Liver function tests. Unless you are feminizing (gyno, etc.) your estrogen is most likely WNL.
 
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