Blast and Cruise?

[the small soldier]

Anyone here "stay on." I'm doing a natural powerlifting meet in July, but after that I'm thinking about going all out and doing a BB show. My aim would be blast and cruise for about a year. 12 weeks of teste 500 a week kick started with DBOL and finished with anavar, then cruising for 12 weeks on test E 150-200 a week, repeat for two cycles while bulking then repeat and cut using equipoise and test stacked, and finished with anavar. After the year I'd taper off the dose and run a very long PCT, I would of course run Adex and HCG throughout the entire year. Any thoughts?

 

[moya]

i would go a little heavier on the blasts myself and maybe shorten them a bit... we all have our own styles and there are lots of ways to work it out and that is just how i would do it... maybe add in a little tren on the blasts if you are cool with it... i dont like my tren after about 6 weeks myself so it fits the bill for me...

 

[the small soldier]

i would go a little heavier on the blasts myself and maybe shorten them a bit... we all have our own styles and there are lots of ways to work it out and that is just how i would do it... maybe add in a little tren on the blasts if you are cool with it... i dont like my tren after about 6 weeks myself so it fits the bill for me...

I've never done tren so IDK. I can get it, but I'd like to run that solo with just a little test to see how my body responds. I always like to keep my options open though. How long would you blast for and what dosages?

 

[joeblow12345]

How old are you? How many cycles under your belt? If your 35+ then go for it. If you still have a good amount of natural test than cycling is a better choice imo. Personally When I hit 35-40 Im going to stay on forever.


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[moya]

I've never done tren so IDK. I can get it, but I'd like to run that solo with just a little test to see how my body responds. I always like to keep my options open though. How long would you blast for and what dosages?

6-8 weeks, but i also didnt mention that i also prefer short esters, so that does make a difference...
you could still implement tren in a blast, just up your test a bit and maybe 225/wk tren a, thats m,w,f pinning 75mg... i honestly think in as little as 3-4 weeks you can see signifigant changes on tren... next time i run it will just be a 3 week blast... for powerlifting you will LOVE tren...

 

[the small soldier]

How old are you? How many cycles under your belt? If your 35+ then go for it. If you still have a good amount of natural test than cycling is a better choice imo. Personally When I hit 35-40 Im going to stay on forever.


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I've done ONE "real". Done a bunch of PH and oral cycles though.

I'm 26. At some point I also plan to stay on forever, I'm just looking into different options right now, cycling seems to be less optimal than staying on for long periods of time as far as long term gains.

 

[the small soldier]

6-8 weeks, but i also didnt mention that i also prefer short esters, so that does make a difference...
you could still implement tren in a blast, just up your test a bit and maybe 225/wk tren a, thats m,w,f pinning 75mg... i honestly think in as little as 3-4 weeks you can see signifigant changes on tren... next time i run it will just be a 3 week blast... for powerlifting you will LOVE tren...

DBOL does wonders for my lifts, but I've been natural for a few years now. What were your numbers before and after tren?

 

[Seattleborn206]

I personally feel like if your an average gym rat and have no plans on ever stepping on stage then blast and cruise is out of the picture but if you plan on competing then it's a different story. If you truly want to compete at a high level and you know the risks and are prepared to go to the doctor for regular check ups and do everything to stay healthy then I see no problem with blast and cruise. I would just say DO YOUR RESEARCH and look at the pros and cons and really make sure this is something you want to do because bodybuilding and competing is mire then just a hobby it's a life style.

 

[the small soldier]

I personally feel like if your an average gym rat and have no plans on ever stepping on stage then blast and cruise is out of the picture but if you plan on competing then it's a different story. If you truly want to compete at a high level and you know the risks and are prepared to go to the doctor for regular check ups and do everything to stay healthy then I see no problem with blast and cruise. I would just say DO YOUR RESEARCH and look at the pros and cons and really make sure this is something you want to do because bodybuilding and competing is mire then just a hobby it's a life style.

I spend 900 dollars a month on food I eat no added sugar I spent at LEAST 1 hour at the gym 4-6 days a week and I never miss a workout. I already live the lifestyle I just train and compete in power lifting as opposed to bodybuilding. I really just want to push myself and see how far I can take my body. I'm really thinking about committing a year to a blast and cruise with the end goal of being a local/state level show.

 

[insanityapproved]

If you feel like this is truly what you live for then yes bro go for it.

I've been blasting and cruising for the past few years ever since I started competing at a top level. I quickly figured all of those guys do it and I have no chance of getting near the top if I don't do it aswell.

 

[Seattleborn206]

I spend 900 dollars a month on food I eat no added sugar I spent at LEAST 1 hour at the gym 4-6 days a week and I never miss a workout. I already live the lifestyle I just train and compete in power lifting as opposed to bodybuilding. I really just want to push myself and see how far I can take my body. I'm really thinking about committing a year to a blast and cruise with the end goal of being a local/state level show.

Do u plan on getting a script or no? I want to blast and cruise but I'd feel better about it if I had a script that's why I'm goin to the doctor tomorrow

 

[Gearjunkie]

Blast and cruise is the way to go bro.
I was on for almost 4 years.
If you wanna compete in future then yes go for it..

I used to blast for 8weeks then cruise for 8weeks repeat!!!

 

[insanityapproved]

Don't have a script as I don't like going to any doctors for any reason. They have all dissapointed me in the past and that's why I stay away from them as much as possible. Where I live, possession of AAS is legal, so it's no problem for me to stock up on some test. Have enough homemade stuff atm to last for life

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Don't have a script as I don't like going to any doctors for any reason. They have all dissapointed me in the past and that's why I stay away from them as much as possible. Where I live, possession of AAS is legal, so it's no problem for me to stock up on some test. Have enough homemade stuff atm to last for life

If thats you in your Avitar, thats sick bro

What do you consider a cruise does for someone of your size/experience? You said you dont like the doc but do you get regular bloods done?

 

[insanityapproved]

A cruise for me is 250mg testosterone enanthate + 500mg masteron enanthate per week.

I get bloods done at least every month. So far I'm pretty much healthy overall, except for a little unfavorable HDL:LDL ratio and some minor ventricular hypertrophy (well, I did go to the doc for that one)

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'd be curious to see what your LH, FSH and testosterone would be after running HCG for a year. My guess would be near zero.

You might as well go on a maintenance dose (call it whatever you want -- blasting, cruising, shipping, sailing -- it doesn't matter, it'a all HRT). 200 mgs a week would probably put you at about 1000ngs, which can still be considered "normal" if you're looking to beat a test.

 

[ConanX]

Just started blasting and cruising myself but do plan to come off of everything in October and November and go into heavy PCT and then I'll assess my self from there. Don't compete but do want to go into a local show in early 2013. On blast I was 255lbs, on cruise I am 245 but less bloat, 11-12%bf.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

A cruise for me is 250mg testosterone enanthate + 500mg masteron enanthate per week.

I get bloods done at least every month. So far I'm pretty much healthy overall, except for a little unfavorable HDL:LDL ratio and some minor ventricular hypertrophy (well, I did go to the doc for that one)

Thats a pretty hefty cruise imo.


I remember getting bloods done with total t while on. 150mg wk cruise and it was around 800ng.
I think 200 would be the max long term cruise for me. But i feel more long term health safety with 125-ish. I will be on for the rest of this year anyways(6weeks in) then will see about coming off after the holidays this winter. I did thaat in 2009 and it took me around 6 mos to recover fully. But i didnt get any hmg either and i was also on 100mg deca wk which really fucks me up long term.
Im alot closer to the "medical" trt age than the op is though and within the next 5-6 years if im not forced into trt im going willfully. Hgh included.

 

[RickRock13]

I'd be curious to see what your LH, FSH and testosterone would be after running HCG for a year. My guess would be near zero.

You might as well go on a maintenance dose (call it whatever you want -- blasting, cruising, shipping, sailing -- it doesn't matter, it'a all HRT). 200 mgs a week would probably put you at about 1000ngs, which can still be considered "normal" if you're looking to beat a test.

Agree with this. May as well just go for HRT if you want to "cruise" that long. If you decide to do that, I would probably go for the 150mg per week rather than 200mg like mentioned. The extra 50mg really isn't going to make a difference in the grand scope of things other than making test show slightly higher than normal

 

[the small soldier]

damn insanity your cruise is like some people's cycle. The thing is It seems like the guess who are the biggest/most defined/strongest all have one thing in common. They stay on. Most people who are against it are people who don't do it, seems like everyone who does it recommends it! I'm going to keep doing research and nelson I didn't really think about the long term effects of hCG so good call I think that's a sold point. I would NOT get a scrpit unless I wanted to be placed on HRT, which that this point I don't, but I'm sure when all is said and done I will. I like the sound of the 8 week blast, I was thinking maybe even do a shorter blasts of fast acting esters and orals say 4 weeks and then just use test E a 200-250 for 8 with some mast or even just the test e alone.

 

[GreenBastard]

I trained with a couple guys who were doing this while i was just regular cycling with pct and lots of time off and those guys aged so fast it was crazy. They were loosing hair and were half bald before they were even 30. The one guys dad was almost 60 and had more hair than he did. The sides can catch up to you. But if your going to persue this sport and others like it seriously thats the only option.

You want some strength gains i would run Halotestin at 30mg ed to see how you like it. Wicked strength and training agression. Do a 5 week cycle and on the 5th week (which should be the week of your meet) up the dose to 40mg and combine that with tren and Test. If you like to pin then suspension works very well for strength too. Prop isnt bad either. But if it is a natural meet make sure you give everything lots of time to clear if your being tested, I would up the diet and the supplements off cycle and have a very stout pct to keep almost all of your gains, maybe make a little more if your natural.

 

[Anabolic chest]

Blast and cruise is the way to go bro.
I was on for almost 4 years.
If you wanna compete in future then yes go for it..

I used to blast for 8weeks then cruise for 8weeks repeat!!!

How was it when you came off mate? Have you had bloods etc?
Or are you now on TRT?
Thanks

 

[joeblow12345]

If your planning on competing at a high level in bb than your cycles will be big and long. I dont think any of the pros ever come off as they stay in shape year round to do guest posing etc. I have seen some of their cycles and they take more in a week than most of us use in an entire cycle. If thats the route you wanna go then you gotta do what you gotta do. Just be careful.


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[the small soldier]

If your planning on competing at a high level in bb than your cycles will be big and long. I dont think any of the pros ever come off as they stay in shape year round to do guest posing etc. I have seen some of their cycles and they take more in a week than most of us use in an entire cycle. If thats the route you wanna go then you gotta do what you gotta do. Just be careful.


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Do big doses really equal big gains? for example If I run a cycle at 500mg test and 40mg dbol for 10 weeks (dbol for the first 4) would I really get any bigger by running dbol at 50mg and test at a gram?

 

[Seattleborn206]

Do big doses really equal big gains? for example If I run a cycle at 500mg test and 40mg dbol for 10 weeks (dbol for the first 4) would I really get any bigger by running dbol at 50mg and test at a gram?

You would see better gains just don't expect to see 50% greater gains

 

[insanityapproved]

Do big doses really equal big gains? for example If I run a cycle at 500mg test and 40mg dbol for 10 weeks (dbol for the first 4) would I really get any bigger by running dbol at 50mg and test at a gram?

yes.

but this is still far from the pro's dosages believe it or not

I've seen guys using 3+ grams of gear per week at the pro level, along with 15+ iu's of HGH and 20+ iu's of insulin per day

 

[joeblow12345]

Do big doses really equal big gains? for example If I run a cycle at 500mg test and 40mg dbol for 10 weeks (dbol for the first 4) would I really get any bigger by running dbol at 50mg and test at a gram?

You will definitely have more sides. As far as gains they will be better but not enormously different. And to alot of the pros a gram of test a week is peanuts. They take ridiculous amounts of juice.

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[the small soldier]

yes.

but this is still far from the pro's dosages believe it or not

I've seen guys using 3+ grams of gear per week at the pro level, along with 15+ iu's of HGH and 20+ iu's of insulin per day

Holy shit that's insane. I don't know if I'd want to do that to my body! I know alot of the big dudes take insulin, but as a nurse I don't like the idea of messing with a perfectly good pancreas! Although by taking gear I'd be messing with a good set of testes so I guess it's a matter of preference. I'm gonna run a solid cycle around mid july and see how I look and feel after that. I may end up just cruising instead of doing PTC I'm going to keep doing my research though.

 

[Gearjunkie]

How was it when you came off mate? Have you had bloods etc?
Or are you now on TRT?
Thanks

Hey mate I made a log about my pct should be in my profile.

I used a peptide called ghnr -triptoreline with great success.

 

[ConanX]

Do big doses really equal big gains? for example If I run a cycle at 500mg test and 40mg dbol for 10 weeks (dbol for the first 4) would I really get any bigger by running dbol at 50mg and test at a gram?

Absolutely. 3grams a week is nothing too bro. One of my buddies is VERY tight with a Top 3 Olympia contendor. His cruise is 3 grams a week lol. His blast is significantly more than that. The GH and Slin amounts are extremely high too and costs a lot of money. Some guys run a lot more GH though, 20-30 and use less grams of gear. Lots of guys running 300mg a day of Tren Ace.

Bodybuilding is strictly chemical warfare. We all workout the same, eat the same...yet how come none of us look close to these top NPC guys or IFBB pros? Because they take much much more than us and are willing to risk a lot more. Genetics help as far as structure goes, muscle inserts, etc. But a lot of genetics comes down to the body's response to hormones and more importantly, how well you can deal with the sides...and if you are mentally able to persue this lifestyle and foresake friends, family, girlfriend. The ones who have their lives in line are the ones who can make it. The ones who have a girlfriend whos not supportive or have too much stress or just don't prioritize bodytbuilding and don't have the hunger are the ones that don't get to those levels.

 

[the small soldier]

Absolutely. 3grams a week is nothing too bro. One of my buddies is VERY tight with a Top 3 Olympia contendor. His cruise is 3 grams a week lol. His blast is significantly more than that. The GH and Slin amounts are extremely high too and costs a lot of money. Some guys run a lot more GH though, 20-30 and use less grams of gear. Lots of guys running 300mg a day of Tren Ace.

Bodybuilding is strictly chemical warfare. We all workout the same, eat the same...yet how come none of us look close to these top NPC guys or IFBB pros? Because they take much much more than us and are willing to risk a lot more. Genetics help as far as structure goes, muscle inserts, etc. But a lot of genetics comes down to the body's response to hormones and more importantly, how well you can deal with the sides...and if you are mentally able to persue this lifestyle and foresake friends, family, girlfriend. The ones who have their lives in line are the ones who can make it. The ones who have a girlfriend whos not supportive or have too much stress or just don't prioritize bodytbuilding and don't have the hunger are the ones that don't get to those levels.

That's part of the reason why Powerlifting is so enjoyable. I can train daily, eat lots of tasty food, push myself to the max and use OR NOT use gear. I'd love to give bodybuilding my all. I could def afford the gear, but do I want to potentially risk my life? I don't know yet, I just know my PASSION is in the weight room. I'm going to see how my next to powerlifting meets go, I do still have huge drive for PL, but I won't truly know Until I'm out on the platform. The transition from PL to BB is fairly large.

 

[Anabolic chest]

That's part of the reason why Powerlifting is so enjoyable. I can train daily, eat lots of tasty food, push myself to the max and use OR NOT use gear. I'd love to give bodybuilding my all. I could def afford the gear, but do I want to potentially risk my life? I don't know yet, I just know my PASSION is in the weight room. I'm going to see how my next to powerlifting meets go, I do still have huge drive for PL, but I won't truly know Until I'm out on the platform. The transition from PL to BB is fairly large.

I don't want to start a whole thing going but I'd like to know what the guys like Bolton, benni, big z etc take. I'm sure it's alot less than the BB pro's though

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I don't like the idea of messing with a perfectly good pancreas! Although by taking gear I'd be messing with a good set of testes so I guess it's a matter of preference. .

Preference hell...you can live without your nuts. You cant live without a pancreas or for very long with a fucked up one.

This is why i stopped after 2 weeks of slin. I dont and will never compete. Have no desire to. So when I become dissatisfied with AAS results in the future then I will add long term HGH.

 

[forcd]

I'm a cruiser, nearly 2 years. Cruise is 125mg test. Blast is prop, tren, beast. Im 32 Years old, I'm all for it I guess there's long term downsides but fuck there's a downside to everything so I just do whatever

 

[ConanX]

I don't want to start a whole thing going but I'd like to know what the guys like Bolton, benni, big z etc take. I'm sure it's alot less than the BB pro's though

I hear powerlifters are on a boatload of shit as well. BP's super high. Very unhealthy. One of the guys who my friend is very tight with and we used to workout with him, he was in the worlds strongest man competition. I don't remember his exact stack but from what the guys in the gym were saying is that he was on so much shit that his kid came out with birth defects and that his liver is all messed up. The bodybuilders were all saying that he was a walking pharmacy. Doesn't mean every powerlifter is like that lol. But I do think they take anywhere from Quite a Bit to Holy Shit That's a Lot.

 

[stevesmi]

I am in my early 30's and I enjoy cycling. coming off steroids I feel fantastic and with the great supps we have today you can still feel 'on' when you aren't on and keep a lot of your gains.

I have no plans on blasting or TRT until my 50's. i'm never gonna be a champion bodybuilder like insanity and thats fine. I would like to do a show every year or two just for fun to show off my body in front of a bunch of strangers but no desire to travel and do this at a high level. who knows maybe I will change my mind? but i doubt it.

you can run light cycles and still have a fun time as a gym rat. just make sure if you do decide to blast and cruise you keep a close eye on your bloods and you realize you may not ever be able to come off again without going through hell. at 26 and with just 1 cycle under your belt i wouldn't recommend it yet unless you just inherited a few million and are willing to dedicate your life to this. if you have a job, family, etc. you may find yourself in a couple years not as commited to this as you would like. it might be something for you to consider in another 5 years once you get into your 30's

 

[Matthersby]

I am in my early 30's and I enjoy cycling. coming off steroids I feel fantastic and with the great supps we have today you can still feel 'on' when you aren't on and keep a lot of your gains.

I have no plans on blasting or TRT until my 50's. i'm never gonna be a champion bodybuilder like insanity and thats fine. I would like to do a show every year or two just for fun to show off my body in front of a bunch of strangers but no desire to travel and do this at a high level. who knows maybe I will change my mind? but i doubt it.

you can run light cycles and still have a fun time as a gym rat. just make sure if you do decide to blast and cruise you keep a close eye on your bloods and you realize you may not ever be able to come off again without going through hell. at 26 and with just 1 cycle under your belt i wouldn't recommend it yet unless you just inherited a few million and are willing to dedicate your life to this. if you have a job, family, etc. you may find yourself in a couple years not as commited to this as you would like. it might be something for you to consider in another 5 years once you get into your 30's

^ Very well put... Solid advice. ^

 

[RickRock13]

Great post Steve! Agree on all accounts!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I'm a cruiser, nearly 2 years. Cruise is 125mg test. Blast is prop, tren, beast. Im 32 Years old, I'm all for it I guess there's long term downsides but fuck there's a downside to everything so I just do whatever

I dont think theres a down side to your cruise dose at least. Thats a very real world cruise dose. Spot on i would say. The possible long term effects will come from the amount of yearly blasts and how much each blast involves. Obviously thats true for any cycle whether cruising in between or not.
I would say the beast would be the biggest thing. Its real liver toxic so using alot multiple times a year will end up hurting your liver obviously. More so than injectables I would imagine. But as long as you keep up on the bloods.

 

[underattack]

That the pros cruise on 3g is bullshit. I was on a seminar with branch warren few weeks ago and he was really open about drugs etc! And he said during this seminar that his bitgedt misstake so far was to stay on to much, and he really stressed ppl to get atleast 2 solids months off, before a new run. He would also never touch insulin.
And yes he was over 2g a week on cycle. But to be honest that not that much..
When it comes to gh he said he used about 10-15 units. Pinning berore bed

 

[ConanX]

That the pros cruise on 3g is bullshit. I was on a seminar with branch warren few weeks ago and he was really open about drugs etc! And he said during this seminar that his bitgedt misstake so far was to stay on to much, and he really stressed ppl to get atleast 2 solids months off, before a new run. He would also never touch insulin.
And yes he was over 2g a week on cycle. But to be honest that not that much..
When it comes to gh he said he used about 10-15 units. Pinning berore bed

No way Branch doesn't use insulin lol!

And everyone, keep in mind that Branch's 10-15iu's of GH is pharmacuetical grade, not the chinese garbage that we are used to

The guy I know of who was a #2 olympia was saying when he is OFF he is really off of everything only for a short time but he still is using test 1gram and hgh. That is at least what I've heard. But I'm sure every pro does things a little differently. Kevin Levrone would really shrink down and then just grow into the show like a beast.

 

[underattack]

No way Branch doesn't use insulin lol!

And everyone, keep in mind that Branch's 10-15iu's of GH is pharmacuetical grade, not the chinese garbage that we are used to

The guy I know of who was a #2 olympia was saying when he is OFF he is really off of everything only for a short time but he still is using test 1gram and hgh. That is at least what I've heard. But I'm sure every pro does things a little differently. Kevin Levrone would really shrink down and then just grow into the show like a beast.

Well id rather belive him than someone talking about him. This was a really intime setting with few guys. He told about hus friend that died from insulin, and that he would never touch it.
Ofc you cant belive everything, but as i said he told me this in person, and i rather belive that, insted of what other ppl say..

 

[underattack]

Btw moest or the seminar is taped and awailable online if u want to have a look at it.

 

[insanityapproved]

Underattack my friend, you have a lot to learn.

Rule nr.1 when it comes to top class bodybuilders - they all lie about their substance usage. Believe me or not but I have seen and experienced so many things during the past few years you better not know about

 

[underattack]

Underattack my friend, you have a lot to learn.

Rule nr.1 when it comes to top class bodybuilders - they all lie about their substance usage. Believe me or not but I have seen and experienced so many things during the past few years you better not know about

Yhea ofc they lie! I do understand that but i think it depends on the setting if hes in muscle mag or whatever hes only using otc.. Hehe
But why lie about smal details. I dont think so hehe
Maybe i just want to belive ppl and wil get a big smack

 

[ConanX]

They lie because A) it is in their nature and B) because they don't want you to look like them and C) you will say "no wonder why they look so huge and ripped"

 

[underattack]

They lie because A) it is in their nature and B) because they don't want you to look like them and C) you will say "no wonder why they look so huge and ripped"

Hehe nah i dont belive that. The gear will not make any of us look like them! And when hes talking to just a bb comunity he will for sure know that noone think its easy
To be honest i rather think its the other way around. Us normal juiceheads say they take crazy amounts of drugs, cuz we aint gonna admit that we dont have the willpower to put in the same effort!

 

[forcd]

I dont think theres a down side to your cruise dose at least. Thats a very real world cruise dose. Spot on i would say. The possible long term effects will come from the amount of yearly blasts and how much each blast involves. Obviously thats true for any cycle whether cruising in between or not.
I would say the beast would be the biggest thing. Its real liver toxic so using alot multiple times a year will end up hurting your liver obviously. More so than injectables I would imagine. But as long as you keep up on the bloods.

Cheers bro when I blast I keep the 125 test usually sus and just add 600 of prop 400 tren and 4 beasts a day. I feel like I've finally found a groove that works well, though the tren gives me the weirdest most realistic dreams I feel like I'm part of inception.

 

[underattack]

Cheers bro when I blast I keep the 125 test usually sus and just add 600 of prop 400 tren and 4 beasts a day. I feel like I've finally found a groove that works well, though the tren gives me the weirdest most realistic dreams I feel like I'm part of inception.

Haha so funny to hear you say that, my dreams make me belive that to. But since thats the only side beside aggression i get from tren, i should be happy hehe

 

[stevesmi]

a buddy of mine whom I met once at the gym who juices knows a guy who is natural who knew a dude who knew a buddy who said that pro's use 3.445 grams of juice a week along with 10.4933 iu's of GH.

in other news I'm going fishing sunday morning for some pomp's, wish me luck. i need my protein

 

[UA_Iron]

Pros always have and always will use a ton of gear.

That's coupled with their great genetics, great work ethic and you produce freaks of epic proportions.

We'll never know the true extent of what they use, but I always like to refer back to the Andreas Munzer hypothetical stack.

 

[the small soldier]

Lots of good advice and discussion going on here! I'm def going to do ONE more cycle starting around mid july after my contest and I'm going to see how I recover after all that. I can def see myself staying on for a really long time though. I know lots of powerlifters that juice and it makes a differnce. I compete in a drug tested federation...YES people still juice but each contest has a 10% test rate so you take a risk. When I go "on" again I'm going to a federation that does not test and I'm going to try my hand at a BB comp. for now All natural, two Push Pull meets in may and July then it's back on =)

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Lots of good advice and discussion going on here! I'm def going to do ONE more cycle starting around mid july after my contest and I'm going to see how I recover after all that. I can def see myself staying on for a really long time though. I know lots of powerlifters that juice and it makes a differnce. I compete in a drug tested federation...YES people still juice but each contest has a 10% test rate so you take a risk. When I go "on" again I'm going to a federation that does not test and I'm going to try my hand at a BB comp. for now All natural, two Push Pull meets in may and July then it's back on =)

My advice is just keep your cruise dose down to what a real HRT doc would perscribe. 125-150mg wk. That way when your "off" cruising your actually at normal levels. It would be wise to do a pct of sorts even on your cruise. Unleashed, HCG or HGcenerate phyto serms ect.... You'll thank yourself when you really try to come off.

 

[the small soldier]

My advice is just keep your cruise dose down to what a real HRT doc would perscribe. 125-150mg wk. That way when your "off" cruising your actually at normal levels. It would be wise to do a pct of sorts even on your cruise. Unleashed, HCG or HGcenerate phyto serms ect.... You'll thank yourself when you really try to come off.

I planned on using hCG, Nelson warned me that it might cause a complete shutdown of LH and FSH Idk?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I planned on using hCG, Nelson warned me that it might cause a complete shutdown of LH and FSH Idk?

Use HCG during blasts and HCgenerate during cruise times. Or HCgenerate all the time maybe. Look into a pin or two of HMG while cruising too.

 

[the small soldier]

Use HCG during blasts and HCgenerate during cruise times. Or HCgenerate all the time maybe. Look into a pin or two of HMG while cruising too.

I'll add that to my list of things to research thanks.

 

[insanityapproved]

A friend of mine successfully recovered from crusing for 6 years (he and his wife decided to have kids) using triptorelin + HCG + clomid + exemestane therapy. But it must have been a very painful time for him. He lost 40lbs in the process ... But he is now a happy dad and whatnot back on TRT

 

[the small soldier]

A friend of mine successfully recovered from crusing for 6 years (he and his wife decided to have kids) using triptorelin + HCG + clomid + exemestane therapy. But it must have been a very painful time for him. He lost 40lbs in the process ... But he is now a happy dad and whatnot back on TRT

triptorelin is used to chemically castrate men with hormone fed cancers what was its use in your friends recovery?

 

[insanityapproved]

It is a gonadotrophin releasing hormone agonist and a low dose every once in a while can help you recover faster. He did 2 doses I think spaced about a month apart. Under doc's supervision ofc.

 

[the small soldier]

It is a gonadotrophin releasing hormone agonist and a low dose every once in a while can help you recover faster. He did 2 doses I think spaced about a month apart. Under doc's supervision ofc.

Hm I had no idea... Also a question you can probably help me with. Obviously I would have to find a Dr. who is not shy about use and wouldn't hit, but would help me in my goals. What is your recommendation on finding a good doc. Do you know of any in the Tri-state area? If you do please PM.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

yep, GNRH. There was an article a few months back in MD about a single shot PCT. They were talkin about TRIP(GNRH)

and about the whole pros lying thing. I do believe most of them lie, or at least stretch the truth. but one pro I do tend to believe is Lee Priest. He has talked alot about his gear usage and the doses arent very extreme at all. He says he relies mostly on food in the offseason to build muscle. Which I believe becasuse A) he is fat as fuck in the off season while bulking and B) he just seems to not give a fuck what people think. And thats what he says, I believe him. lmao

 

[the small soldier]

yep, GNRH. There was an article a few months back in MD about a single shot PCT. They were talkin about TRIP(GNRH)

and about the whole pros lying thing. I do believe most of them lie, or at least stretch the truth. but one pro I do tend to believe is Lee Priest. He has talked alot about his gear usage and the doses arent very extreme at all. He says he relies mostly on food in the offseason to build muscle. Which I believe becasuse A) he is fat as fuck in the off season while bulking and B) he just seems to not give a fuck what people think. And thats what he says, I believe him. lmao

Good points... Speaking of lee priest and being fat, does anyone here think that It might be wise to do a blast and cruise where you BULK during the cruise just eat and eat to pack on mass, and use the "blast" to shred fat and do lots of cardio keeping your gains and "blasting" fat? Just a thought..

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Good points... Speaking of lee priest and being fat, does anyone here think that It might be wise to do a blast and cruise where you BULK during the cruise just eat and eat to pack on mass, and use the "blast" to shred fat and do lots of cardio keeping your gains and "blasting" fat? Just a thought..

eh....not really. Unless you were getting ready for a show. Than you would obviously be blasting and using that time to cut fat AND possibly build muscle. Personally I never cut til I need to. Whether or not on cycle, im bulking year round(trying to anyway). I wont be cutting til my next show. But I still cycle, and still learning more from the experianced guys on here who blast and cruise. Cuz one day Im sure I will be blasting and cruising as well.(I wanna compete at the top lvl)

That is probably closer to what pros do I would assume. But im assuming there "cruises" are still a pretty decent cycle. "cruise" in the off season to add mass, "blast" pre-contest. Again, this is what I would ASSUME most top guys do.

obviously if you are on a "trt" regimen, you will be cruising and trying to bulk than if you do a show, up the doses, throw in other compounds and cut.

 

[the small soldier]

eh....not really. Unless you were getting ready for a show. Than you would obviously be blasting and using that time to cut fat AND possibly build muscle. Personally I never cut til I need to. Whether or not on cycle, im bulking year round(trying to anyway). I wont be cutting til my next show. But I still cycle, and still learning more from the experianced guys on here who blast and cruise. Cuz one day Im sure I will be blasting and cruising as well.(I wanna compete at the top lvl)

That is probably closer to what pros do I would assume. But im assuming there "cruises" are still a pretty decent cycle. "cruise" in the off season to add mass, "blast" pre-contest. Again, this is what I would ASSUME most top guys do.

obviously if you are on a "trt" regimen, you will be cruising and trying to bulk than if you do a show, up the doses, throw in other compounds and cut.

Makes sense to me. From where I stand I really enjoy powerlifting i mean I LOVE IT! However; I also care to a certain degree how I look. I'm moving up from the 198 PL class to the 220 Class. Obviously it will take time to fill out and actually be comfortably resting at 220, but I can't see myself doing PL and still growing after that. Everyone outside the 220 class is a fatty mess and I enjoy life I don't wanna kill my heart with tons of muscle AND tons of fat. I can see myself getting into bodybuilding really hardcore if I start to break that 220 mark. Either way my last natural PL contest will be in july.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

nice. I have thought about doing some Pl meets. But I just dont care about strength too much. Maybe one day, if im in the middle of a nasty bulk I might do one just for the fun of it. But I would never put all my energy to being the strongest I can. I rather concentrate on bein the biggest I can. lol

but dude, how tall are you? unless your a midget, I dont see you having too much trouble getting over 220 and staying in decent shape. Im 5'11'' and 220 isnt really that big(to me anyway). If your about my height and you cycle OR blast and cruise, You shouldnt have any trouble being a good shape over 220. Maybe not soon, but that goal is def reachable for someone who knows how to train AND EAT and whos hittin the sauce.

 

[the small soldier]

nice. I have thought about doing some Pl meets. But I just dont care about strength too much. Maybe one day, if im in the middle of a nasty bulk I might do one just for the fun of it. But I would never put all my energy to being the strongest I can. I rather concentrate on bein the biggest I can. lol

but dude, how tall are you? unless your a midget, I dont see you having too much trouble getting over 220 and staying in decent shape. Im 5'11'' and 220 isnt really that big(to me anyway). If your about my height and you cycle OR blast and cruise, You shouldnt have any trouble being a good shape over 220. Maybe not soon, but that goal is def reachable for someone who knows how to train AND EAT and whos hittin the sauce.

I'm 5'6 208 and 14% BF I don't feel very big currently lol

 

[wcjcMr.O]

I'm 5'6 208 and 14% BF I don't feel very big currently lol

your a f-in dwarf!!! lmao im just playin man. haha

IF your bf was closer to 10% that would be pretty big I think. 5'6'' at 220 in good shape would be pretty damn big imo.
Im 5'11'', about 213 right now maybe around 12% bf and I KNOW im not very big. lol

When im sittin at 255 @3%bf motherf-ers better watch out. lol Give me maybe 5 years

 

[the small soldier]

your a f-in dwarf!!! lmao im just playin man. haha

IF your bf was closer to 10% that would be pretty big I think. 5'6'' at 220 in good shape would be pretty damn big imo.
Im 5'11'', about 213 right now maybe around 12% bf and I KNOW im not very big. lol

When im sittin at 255 @3%bf motherf-ers better watch out. lol Give me maybe 5 years

damn I KNOW (complex setting in) well my bodyfat right now is a little higher than I'd like it. I'm not dieting til after my PL meets I'll probably keep my diet where it is for now add a little cardio and diet for two weeks from mid july to aug. If I'm still at 14% bf (I plan to be) I'll be doing my Test E at @ 500 weeks 1-12 Dbol @ 30 weeks 1-4 and anavar @ 45mg weeks 9,10,11,12

 

[the small soldier]

also Mr. O is that avatar pic current. if it is you look really tight for 12% I hold like ALL my fat around my middle. I have a belly and love handles at even probably into the single dig! at 13% 193 I still had a little stomach yet my veins in my arms were bulges and you can see all 3 heads of my tricep and all 4 squad separations. stupid. Not that I care too much since I'm PL ATM and wanna be strong, but damn I don't have to look like crap!

 

[wcjcMr.O]

also Mr. O is that avatar pic current. if it is you look really tight for 12% I hold like ALL my fat around my middle. I have a belly and love handles at even probably into the single dig! at 13% 193 I still had a little stomach yet my veins in my arms were bulges and you can see all 3 heads of my tricep and all 4 squad separations. stupid. Not that I care too much since I'm PL ATM and wanna be strong, but damn I don't have to look like crap!

haha. At least you think that way. Alot of PL'ers I know could give a rats ass about how they look. Its all about the numbers for them. But why not both? Stan Efferding seems to have it down pretty well. lol

and ya, my AVI picture was taken like a week ago. Honestly I have NO IDEA what bf% I am. I do know I can see a 6 pack and seperation in my legs. But I really dont care. Im actually trying to put on some fat right now. I stay pretty lean year round and I think its making it hard for me to gain as much as possible. Im tryin to gain mass and I just dont f-in eat enough. So im cramming myself with pizza, cheeseburgers and candy. lol Its not working. Im sticking around 213. I know I just need to up my total caloric intake, but my appetite is shit, so I try to eat shit to get more cals. lol not working. Maybe I need to eat even MORE shit food. lol

 

[the small soldier]

haha. At least you think that way. Alot of PL'ers I know could give a rats ass about how they look. Its all about the numbers for them. But why not both? Stan Efferding seems to have it down pretty well. lol

and ya, my AVI picture was taken like a week ago. Honestly I have NO IDEA what bf% I am. I do know I can see a 6 pack and seperation in my legs. But I really dont care. Im actually trying to put on some fat right now. I stay pretty lean year round and I think its making it hard for me to gain as much as possible. Im tryin to gain mass and I just dont f-in eat enough. So im cramming myself with pizza, cheeseburgers and candy. lol Its not working. Im sticking around 213. I know I just need to up my total caloric intake, but my appetite is shit, so I try to eat shit to get more cals. lol not working. Maybe I need to eat even MORE shit food. lol

I don't recommend eating shit more often; trust me I got so fat doing that. Add olive oil and peanut butter to half your meals and make a weight gainer to drink after your PWO shake. Mine is 2 cups lactaid whole milk, 1 cup berries, one banana, 3/4 cup oats, tablespoon PB 2 scoops of whey (feel free to tweak that anyway you please)

 

[forcd]

a buddy of mine whom I met once at the gym who juices knows a guy who is natural who knew a dude who knew a buddy who said that pro's use 3.445 grams of juice a week along with 10.4933 iu's of GH.

in other news I'm going fishing sunday morning for some pomp's, wish me luck. i need my protein

Dude I think I knew the same guys mate that breads bulldogs, anyways one of the pups went to a guy who reversed over it.... Sad... But anyway the vet who saved the pup well his wife believe it or not was havin an affair with a pro who goes through an ounce of raw test powder a month. Could be the same powder I snorted before engaging in this ramble. True story.

 

[forcd]

Haha so funny to hear you say that, my dreams make me belive that to. But since thats the only side beside aggression i get from tren, i should be happy hehe

Wait your not that guy from my drea..... Nah it couldn't be. Is this a dream. Fuck it more tren

 

[the small soldier]

oh and stan efferding doesn't count he's barely a human being! his numbers are disgusting and all raw!! he crushes many top equipped lifters.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

I don't recommend eating shit more often; trust me I got so fat doing that. Add olive oil and peanut butter to half your meals and make a weight gainer to drink after your PWO shake. Mine is 2 cups lactaid whole milk, 1 cup berries, one banana, 3/4 cup oats, tablespoon PB 2 scoops of whey (feel free to tweak that anyway you please)

lol ya I know I was semi-joking. I do at least one shake a day that is similar to yours but with raw eggs added in addition to my regular whey protein shakes.

I forgot about the ol olive oil trick. Ill have to start doin that for some extra fat cals.

 

[the small soldier]

lol ya I know I was semi-joking. I do at least one shake a day that is similar to yours but with raw eggs added in addition to my regular whey protein shakes.

I forgot about the ol olive oil trick. Ill have to start doin that for some extra fat cals.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...yuck man raw eggs.

 

[forcd]

lol ya I know I was semi-joking. I do at least one shake a day that is similar to yours but with raw eggs added in addition to my regular whey protein shakes.

I forgot about the ol olive oil trick. Ill have to start doin that for some extra fat cals.

Semi joking?

 

[UA_Iron]

Cutting shake:
8 egg whites
2 whole eggs
2 packs Splenda
1/2 cup oats
Blend and chug (do it over sink, trust me)

And don't blend for too long, you want it mixed but not foamy, burping up egg foam is awful.

 

[insanityapproved]

so many tasty fat / protein sources out there , why the hell blend eggs ?!! I like my eggs sunny side up damnit

 

[stevesmi]

A friend of mine successfully recovered from crusing for 6 years (he and his wife decided to have kids) using triptorelin + HCG + clomid + exemestane therapy. But it must have been a very painful time for him. He lost 40lbs in the process ... But he is now a happy dad and whatnot back on TRT

good point and a good reason for young guys to not blast and cruise/TRT, it will be tough to have kids later on if they change their minds.

its possible to recover but it will be hell

 

[insanityapproved]

True ... FACT is that permanent shutdown does not exist, it's just that most people who are on for so long don't wait long enough to recover ... I mean when you're on for 5+ years it may take over a year to perfectly recover. And during that period you'll be very low on test and most likely lose all of your gains ... This is why most guys don't go till the end - they start losing gains and feel like shit and after 3 months they think "I'm never going to recover" and go back on ... They would have recovered but it might take months more

 

[wcjcMr.O]

Semi joking?

yes. Meaning Im going to continue to eat shit on top of the pounds of chicken, potatoes, rice, steak, avocados, nuts and all the shit you SHOULD be eating.

I DO KNOW that eating alot of shit food isnt the way to put on muscle. lol im not a COMPLETE retard......only slightly.

 

[Anabolic chest]

I DO KNOW that eating alot of shit food isnt the way to put on muscle. lol im not a COMPLETE retard......only slightly.

It isn't? Shit

 

[roscogre]

I hear powerlifters are on a boatload of shit as well. BP's super high. Very unhealthy. One of the guys who my friend is very tight with and we used to workout with him, he was in the worlds strongest man competition. I don't remember his exact stack but from what the guys in the gym were saying is that he was on so much shit that his kid came out with birth defects and that his liver is all messed up. The bodybuilders were all saying that he was a walking pharmacy. Doesn't mean every powerlifter is like that lol. But I do think they take anywhere from Quite a Bit to Holy Shit That's a Lot.

There is no way any drug a man(or woman) takes can make his kid have birth defects. That is genetic, it is in dna and is not affected by any drug. Just another lie promoted by government scare mongers. There is a syndrome called fetal alcohol syndrome where the baby is underdeveloped from too much alcohol drank by the mother, and the baby can be underdeveloped or even aborted from toxins and malnourishment in the mother. Birth defects, no. There are no such thing as crack babies even mothers addicted to crack and meth have healthy babies if they are well fed while perfectly clean mothers have deformed babies. Pure misinformation here.

 

[liffalot]

There is no way any drug a man(or woman) takes can make his kid have birth defects. That is genetic, it is in dna and is not affected by any drug. Just another lie promoted by government scare mongers. There is a syndrome called fetal alcohol syndrome where the baby is underdeveloped from too much alcohol drank by the mother, and the baby can be underdeveloped or even aborted from toxins and malnourishment in the mother. Birth defects, no. There are no such thing as crack babies even mothers addicted to crack and meth have healthy babies if they are well fed while perfectly clean mothers have deformed babies. Pure misinformation here.

You're exactly right - other than all the other substances you listed and several other teratogens that clearly cause birth defects, it is impossible.

If anyone wants to see ignorance in its purest form, look no further.