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Now if some conservative lawmakers have their way, being born here will not make you a citizen of the US. I guess you will have to pass the skin color test, or maybe have a big enough bank account. Oh yeah, but it's not because of race. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051226/ap_on_re_us/illegal_immigrants_birthright

NEW YORK - A proposal to change long-standing federal policy and deny citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants on U.S. soil ran aground this month in Congress, but it is sure to resurface — kindling bitter debate even if it fails to become law.

At issue is "birthright citizenship" — provided for since the Constitution's 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868.

Section 1 of that amendment, drafted with freed slaves in mind, says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Some conservatives in Congress, as well as advocacy groups seeking to crack down on illegal immigration, say the amendment has been misapplied over the years, that it was never intended to grant citizenship automatically to babies of illegal immigrants. Thus they contend that federal legislation, rather than a difficult-to-achieve constitutional amendment, would be sufficient to end birthright citizenship.

With more than 70 co-sponsors, Georgia Republican Rep. Nathan Deal (news, bio, voting record) tried to include a revocation of birthright citizenship in an immigration bill passed by the House in mid-December. GOP House leaders did not let the proposal come to a vote.

"Most Americans feel it doesn't make any sense for people to come into the country illegally, give birth and have a new U.S. citizen," said Ira Mehlman of the Federation of American Immigration Reform, which backs Deal's proposal. "But the advocates for illegal immigrants will make a fuss; they'll claim you're punishing the children, and I suspect the leadership doesn't want to deal with that."

Deal has said he will continue pushing the issue, describing birthright citizenship as "a huge magnet" attracting illegal immigrants. He cited estimates — challenged by immigrant advocates — that roughly 10 percent of births in the United States, or close to 400,000 a year, are babies born to illegal immigrants.

"It's an issue that we are very concerned about," said Michele Waslin, director of immigration policy research for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy organization that opposes any effort to revoke birthright citizenship.

"This was always seen in the past as some extreme, wacko proposal that never goes anywhere," she said. "But these so-called wacko proposals are becoming more and more mainstream — it's becoming more acceptable to have a discussion about it."

Alvaro Huerta of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles said his organization opposes Deal's proposal and is girding for a battle for public opinion.

"This is red meat for conservatives," he said. "They throw out these issues they know aren't winning issues, and they create an environment of anti-immigrant sentiment. We need to do better job of educating people why it's wrong."

According to a survey last month by Rasmussen Reports, a nonpartisan public opinion research firm, 49 percent of Americans favor ending birthright citizenship, and 41 percent favor keeping it. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., a leading proponent of tougher measures to stop illegal immigration, believes public opinion could shift further in favor of Deal's measure.

"Any issue that has a `damn right' response, you can go with," Tancredo said. "You ask if we should stop illegal immigrants from coming onto this country and having a baby here who is an American citizen, and most people say, `Damn right.'"

However, Tancredo acknowledged that Deal's measure faces major obstacles. Though he believes the House GOP leadership will eventually allow the proposal to come to a vote, Tancredo said it could flounder in the Senate or draw a veto from President Bush, who has sought to steer a middle course on some immigration issues.

The best strategy, Tancredo suggested, might be to avoid presenting the measure as a separate, stand-alone bill and instead add it to a broader piece of legislation that the Senate could not disregard.

Tancredo, Deal and others have noted that the United States is among the relatively few wealthy nations that allow birthright citizenship.

However, Lucas Guttentag, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants' Rights Project, said some Western European nations with different policies have suffered problems.

"Look at Germany — the children of guest workers are not citizens," he said. "That creates enormous social and racial tensions. That's the opposite of where we want to go."

Guttentag also said the federal courts would probably strike down any measure that challenged the 14th Amendment's citizenship guarantees.

"It's a far-fetched, fundamentally misguided and unconstitutional proposal," he said. "It's not the kind of proposal that gets taken seriously by those who actually want to grapple with immigration issues."

Some critics of current policy refer to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants as "anchor babies" because — when they reach adulthood — they can sponsor their parents for legal permanent residency. Immigrants-rights groups say the number of such cases is smaller than critics allege, but authoritative statistics are scarce.
 
big4life said:
Now if some conservative lawmakers have their way, being born here will not make you a citizen of the US. I guess you will have to pass the skin color test, or maybe have a big enough bank account. Oh yeah, but it's not because of race. :rolleyes:

There's nothing like driving up to the international boundary to make you think real hard about what it means to be a citizen. What the hell does that cracker plan to substitute for the clean, bright line of where someone was born?
 
Im not sure if im for or against this admendment i would have to read the wording but I am sure something must be looked at for a solution.
 
Sean Scott said:
Im not sure if im for or against this admendment i would have to read the wording but I am sure something must be looked at for a solution.


Maybe something needs to be done, but to start saying that someone born on US soil is not a citizen is one very scary thought. What makes someone a citizen? Does everyone have to pass a test?
 
This sounds like a great idea considering what a problem illegal immigration is in this country.
 
I think it's a great idea.

But I live in an area where the illegals are numerous and they have no plans of becoming citizens, they come here as tourists on a plane while pregnant, get on welfare and have their child in the US (anchor babies) and after the child is born he or she will immediately qualify for federal, state and local benefit programs.

We have illegals getting cash paying jobs from businesses willing to break the law, they live 3-4 families to a house and send anywhere from 4-12 children to the local schools - flooding them with kids they don't have the space for. In the evenings the parents willing are taught English at the schools for free while the local cops and EMT’s have to go out and pay to learn Spanish because they are now required to be bi-lingual. They don't pay taxes and have no plans to become legal citizens and why should they if they can get government support for free and get paid cash for the work the “lazy white man” isn't willing to do?

This not only angers the locals that have been born and raised in the US for generations it angers the immigrants that wait 5 YEARS to be citizens while jumping through hoops and endless paperwork the entire way.

I'm all for it - when mommie and daddy become legal the kid can too.
 
My problem with it is two fold.

1. I don't trust politicians. They do what is popular at the time, and then they "say" they will go back later and fix any problems with this bill or others like it.

2. The idea that being born here doesn't make you a citizen. We already have loopholes for those from Cuba, once you set foot on US soil you're free to stay. Is this law going to have loopholes for those from Europe? I just see this as something that could get very messy, and knowing the politicians, it will get very messy.

I can see this bill leading to the government excluding citizenship rights to children when their parents are from the wrong country, but extending these rights to others who are from the right countries.
 
it's not uncommon for pregnant mexican womnen to stnad next to the border. when thy go into labor -- they jump across.

we pay for that adding insult to it too.
 
velvett said:
I think it's a great idea.

But I live in an area where the illegals are numerous and they have no plans of becoming citizens, they come here as tourists on a plane while pregnant, get on welfare and have their child in the US (anchor babies) and after the child is born he or she will immediately qualify for federal, state and local benefit programs.

We have illegals getting cash paying jobs from businesses willing to break the law, they live 3-4 families to a house and send anywhere from 4-12 children to the local schools - flooding them with kids they don't have the space for. In the evenings the parents willing are taught English at the schools for free while the local cops and EMT’s have to go out and pay to learn Spanish because they are now required to be bi-lingual. They don't pay taxes and have no plans to become legal citizens and why should they if they can get government support for free and get paid cash for the work the “lazy white man” isn't willing to do?

This not only angers the locals that have been born and raised in the US for generations it angers the immigrants that wait 5 YEARS to be citizens while jumping through hoops and endless paperwork the entire way.

I'm all for it - when mommie and daddy become legal the kid can too.

That's beautiful...I was too in a situation where I saw this first hand (back in the day). I agree with you a 100% these things need to be looked at very closely.
 
big4life said:
My problem with it is two fold.

1. I don't trust politicians. They do what is popular at the time, and then they "say" they will go back later and fix any problems with this bill or others like it.

2. The idea that being born here doesn't make you a citizen. We already have loopholes for those from Cuba, once you set foot on US soil you're free to stay. Is this law going to have loopholes for those from Europe? I just see this as something that could get very messy, and knowing the politicians, it will get very messy.

I can see this bill leading to the government excluding citizenship rights to children when their parents are from the wrong country, but extending these rights to others who are from the right countries.
But, for every concern you have, the other concern is that you're "flooding" city and state resources with illegals that they aren't equiped for.
 
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