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Best Testosterone for strength?

What's the best testosterone for strength?

  • Cyp

    Votes: 42 10.6%

  • Prop

    Votes: 62 15.6%

  • Enanthate

    Votes: 151 37.9%

  • Suspension

    Votes: 143 35.9%
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athlete03

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I know the question is vague, but in general, what do you guys think is the best test for strength?
Cyp, Prop, Enanthate, Suspension??? I've never ran test so I want to make sure I know what actually works.
 
If anyone says anything but suspension they are in the wrong sport. That said much of your strength gained from this will be lost, it is a pain in the ass (literally) to shoot and should not be used for long period 4-8 wks max IMO. For steadier but more keepable gains in both strength and size go with an esterified test (cyp/enanthate) personal favourites.

Peace
 
Suspension but the best for strenght-gains after is ENANATHE of course
 
suspension for immediate acting....but what you need is a fast acting mixed with along acting and cypro-200 is just that....cypinate and propinate combo...once you use it you will see,,,ethanate is good...but by itself you will not feel anything until 2-4 weeks down the line
 
Of course Sustanon or Omnadren can be pretty good for keepable gains, as they both last a long time in the system (up to 3 or even 4 weeks). I have had good success with Sustanon, which is 30mg Propionate, 60mg Phenylpropionate, 60mg Isocaproate, 100mg Decanoate for each 250mg shot (as all you pros already know).
 
I agree.
Enanth and Cyp are my favorites.:p

The Iron Game said:
If anyone says anything but suspension they are in the wrong sport. That said much of your strength gained from this will be lost, it is a pain in the ass (literally) to shoot and should not be used for long period 4-8 wks max IMO. For steadier but more keepable gains in both strength and size go with an esterified test (cyp/enanthate) personal favourites.

Peace
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Screw the Test...If you want strenght quickly and could care less about the side effects (gyno) go with Anadrol 50 - Take 2 a day for four weeks! I gaurantee your strenght will increase well over and beyond what you woudl get off ENANATHE alone. Anadrol is best stacked with Sustanon 250 for optimal results in strenght and size.
 
sus, the perfect mix of v short, short, medium and lond acting testosterone, possibly why its done so well in medical terms. And doses can be higher with less chance of aromatization
bro
 
This was a great thread. I learned a lot. I'm going to order Test susp based on what some of you said. I've done every other Test product except Susp. I hear it hurts like hell going in. What are some prices you've seen for test susp? I'm getting a 10ml/200mg vial for $65.00, which seems reasonable.
 
if test is test, then why does everyone seem to have different opinions on strenght and different esters. the esters just determine how long it will stay active in you body. its all a matter of how soon it will hit you. but imo i think its all mental. you just got to push youself and become a madman in the gym. just my .02
 
Try this.....

Suspension is a water-based steroid that will begin to enter the blood stream almost immediately after an injection is given. When using a slow acting oil based steroid like Sustanon, Ent, and Cyp it can take weeks before a peak testosterone level is reached. With suspension it is just a matter of days. This will usually result in the individual noticing a size and strength gain by the end of the first week. By the time the individual is 30 days into a cycle of suspension, the length it will usually take for a Sustanon cycle to really begin to work consistently, the mass gains are already (generally) very extreme. Clearly the anabolic effect of this testosterone will be realized much more quickly than we would expect with an oil based (esterified) preparation.

It is also important to remember that 100mg of a testosterone ester is not equivalent to 100mg testosterone of pure testosterone (as in suspension). When an ester is present, its weight is obviously included in the preparation's milligram total. Looking at Testosterone enanthate, 100mg of this compound equates to only 72mg of raw testosterone. So the bodybuilder who uses 400mg of enanthate weekly is really getting about 288mg of testosterone into his body each week. This is clearly a great increase over the endogenous testosterone level of the average male, which is in the range of 2.5 to 11 mg per day. But the general point is that during a cycle of Testosterone suspension we will often see a much more dramatic intake of testosterone on average than is typically utilized with oils. Following common advice, the athlete will commonly inject a full 100mg of testosterone daily, a total of 700 milligrams per week. This is up to 40 times the amount produced by a normal male. Those who have attempted such a cycle are rarely disappointed with the results, as such heavy doses of this hormone will produce nothing less than a dramatic weight gain.

STR8?
 
Test is test.

You may gain strength more quickly with Suspension, but after a few weeks on any of them it's all the same thing.
 
Suspension puts my strenght through the roof. And super fast. In my opinion it is the best. But I also have the worst sides from it. Next best for me would be cyp.
 
I have done Sust, enanth, and susp., I have seen my best results from suspension by far. Although I did stack my suspension w/ Anadrol 50 ED, and kept the same gains as I did w/ the other tests which I stacked with d-bol at 40mg ED.

The susp. I have used have had such large particle size that the pain was almost unbearable at first, and don't even attempt it with anything smaller than a 22g pin. I took 100mg EoD and after awhile it really was a pain in the ass!

I don't know what all the hype is about Sust. though, I have yet to see any large gains, and personally have had better gains with enanth. I think the 4 esters in sust is just a ploy and a marketing tool.

I know we are all different and act to different things, but I wouldn't do sust. again since I know I don't get much out of it.

Back to the main question "best for strength?" If you want immediate strength and size definately go with suspension.
 
the short the half life the light the ester weight and the more mg per mg of test you are actually getting.......so suspension and prop are 1 & 2
 
I'ved used all 4... out of those, test enth gave me the best strength gains. Of course, I also ran it at a higher dose, lol. One day, I'll compare 700mg/week of suspension to 1g/week of all the others, then I'll know for sure!
 
Suspension OK, but what about Prop?
Also, why enanthate and not cyp, aren't they the same thing nowadays?
I thought prop had to be hit every 2-3 days, if so, what's the difference in suspension taking 2-3 days to get out of your body?
I've never taken suspension but would like to. I like the quick raise in blood levels, not the slow acting ones. So I use prop. Is suspension that much better?
As far as sus goes, sometimes I'll mix prop and cyp together. Same effect IMO.
 
Granted, enth and cyp differ only by one carbon atom in their ester side chain. However, that still makes enough difference for some people to see much different results. With suspension, there is NO time release, and no ester, so 100mg susp. hits you all at once, and it's a full 100mg. With enth or cyp, 100mg is more like 72mg of pure test, and it's time-released. So, suspension hits harder and faster, but in the long run, there's not as much real difference as people think. Plus, susp. usually costs a ton more and hurts like a bitch, just use a gram of enth or cyp and you'll be much happier :)
 
Lowest said:
Granted, enth and cyp differ only by one carbon atom in their ester side chain. However, that still makes enough difference for some people to see much different results. With suspension, there is NO time release, and no ester, so 100mg susp. hits you all at once, and it's a full 100mg. With enth or cyp, 100mg is more like 72mg of pure test, and it's time-released. So, suspension hits harder and faster, but in the long run, there's not as much real difference as people think. Plus, susp. usually costs a ton more and hurts like a bitch, just use a gram of enth or cyp and you'll be much happier :)
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Hey man, this is like what I posted.
 
Basically yes, I just went into detail as to WHY it does this. I just figured explaining a little more the methods of action could help people understand better. If I stomped on some toes, forgive me bro, not my intention :) You can have all the thunder!
 
Lowest said:
Granted, enth and cyp differ only by one carbon atom in their ester side chain. However, that still makes enough difference for some people to see much different results. With suspension, there is NO time release, and no ester, so 100mg susp. hits you all at once, and it's a full 100mg. With enth or cyp, 100mg is more like 72mg of pure test, and it's time-released. So, suspension hits harder and faster, but in the long run, there's not as much real difference as people think. Plus, susp. usually costs a ton more and hurts like a bitch, just use a gram of enth or cyp and you'll be much happier :)
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Thanks for your reply and I agree with you. But what about Prop vs Suspension. I like Prop better than cyp and enanth, but everyone is leaving it out of the conversation and talking about cyp vs suspension.
 
B/c for some reason, most people don't see very big strength increases with prop, at least nothing compared to sus/cyp/enth and suspension. I'd say, from personal exp. and from dozens of friends, prop yields the least overall strength gains, so that's probably why they're neglecting to talk about it as much.
 
nexus7 said:
the slower acting the ester, the better your chances at keeping gains...
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I for one would like to hear the logic behind this claim.

Are you thinking that because the ester will cause a slower release that the gains will hang around longer? If so, I can agree to a small degree but the added duration is minimal at best, perhaps a few weeks or so. How does a few weeks translate into keepable? When I hear the word keepable I assume until you discontinue training not just a few extra weeks.

My opinion is that if you are within the limit of natural mass retention you will keep the muscle you gain if training, nutrition and rest are in place. If you are beyond what your body can naturally sustain the gains will fade regardless of the AAS used.
 
Zyglamail said:
I for one would like to hear the logic behind this claim.

Are you thinking that because the ester will cause a slower release that the gains will hang around longer? If so, I can agree to a small degree but the added duration is minimal at best, perhaps a few weeks or so. How does a few weeks translate into keepable? When I hear the word keepable I assume until you discontinue training not just a few extra weeks.

My opinion is that if you are within the limit of natural mass retention you will keep the muscle you gain if training, nutrition and rest are in place. If you are beyond what your body can naturally sustain the gains will fade regardless of the AAS used.
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In addition to this, if you took 150mg of prop every 2-3 days you could maintain constant higher levels of test than similar amounts of the longer acting chains. Why would having higher amounts of test for the same duration yield worse results?
 
Justgottaknow, b/c you WOULDN'T have higher constant levels. Prop has a short half-life, it's in and out too quickly to build up to a high blood level, that's why people don't retain as much water on it. Enth and cyp have much longer half-lives, they have time to build up to a significant concentration in the blood, much higher than the equivalent dosage of prop. If you took 100mg/day of prop, or 700mg/week of enth, who would hold more water, and have higher test levels? The guy taking enth, I know, I had blood tests that proved it. Plus, I held water like a balloon on enth, and much much less on prop.
 
Lowest said:
Justgottaknow, b/c you WOULDN'T have higher constant levels. Prop has a short half-life, it's in and out too quickly to build up to a high blood level, that's why people don't retain as much water on it. Enth and cyp have much longer half-lives, they have time to build up to a significant concentration in the blood, much higher than the equivalent dosage of prop. If you took 100mg/day of prop, or 700mg/week of enth, who would hold more water, and have higher test levels? The guy taking enth, I know, I had blood tests that proved it. Plus, I held water like a balloon on enth, and much much less on prop.
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But, if you took 700mg enth/week, you wouldn't approach the daily levels of 100mg/day prop. Especially since enth takes about 10 days or so I've read in half life. That being the case, I can't see how in any point in time you would have more test in your system in this scenario taking enth. After 10 days of enth at 700mg, you have 350 the 1st week trickling in over some unknown period of time however the hell it works, no one has ever explained that one as far as I know, versus getting blasted with a full does at once. Which means you had 350mg available over a period of 7-10 days, versus 100mg/day of prop. And as the 350 gets used up over a period of time, the daily available amount has to be even less.
Also, if prop moved out that fast, why is suspension so much better? My understanding is prop has about a 3 day half life.
 
Dude, all you need is some basic pharmacology. Look on the web and find the roid calculator. It'll show you that equivalent dosages of prop vs cyp will eventually yield mugh higher blood levels with cyp then prop. Suspension is a different beast b/c it has NO ester, it all hits you at once. Even acetate slows down absorption by a LARGE margin compared to suspension. Basically, as long as it has an ester, the longer the ester, the higher the eventual blood levels given that the weekly doses are the same.
 
So would it be beneficial to say front load your cycle with suspension or prop...and also use cyp or enth, so your blood levels would reach a higher level quicker without waiting for the longer esters to kick in?
I have been away from bodybuilding for a year or two, and around when I left, front loading seemed to be the big thing. Did it prove to be beneficial or was it just a fad and fade away?
 
Alot of people use test prop to jumpstart a cycle, it works quite well. I prefer dbol myself though, the ED injects of prop I reserve for cutting cycles only, and even then I use fina not prop. I only use enth/cyp as far as test is concerned.
 
Personally I wouldn't use it again, but Suspension is the best, here's why, say you're taking 100mg propionate a day, if you take 100mg suspension a day, you're getting 100mg of pure test for the entire half life...which is something like 4 hours, i've even heard 12, but with the propionate of enathate or cyp. you have to add the weight of the ester to the dosage, you might have 200mg/ml of test cypionate, with 140 of the total mg being test and the other 60 being the ester
 
Juice Authority said:
Screw the Test...If you want strenght quickly and could care less about the side effects (gyno) go with Anadrol 50 - Take 2 a day for four weeks! I gaurantee your strenght will increase well over and beyond what you woudl get off ENANATHE alone. Anadrol is best stacked with Sustanon 250 for optimal results in strenght and size.
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anadrol 50 is great for mass and stregth but should be out of the question for a rookie or a short term user because of the massive side effects. but thats just my opinon
 
Suspension is by far the best, not just as a testosterone, but in general for those who want that "Hulk" look. But it's probably one of the most dangerous ever made. Anadrol 50, Suspension, and D-bol are like the holy trinity of gear. I think most ppl would agree the best shit is the most dangerous. The old timers loved that stuff ( Arnold, Oliva, Mentzer, etc), so I've heard. That's why they were so impressive, the early freaks of bodybuilding. They have such a noticably different physique than the new-era bodybuilders.
 
people dont see big gains off prop cause they dont use it frequently enough at a good dosage. try 100mg ed and tell me what u think then. almost as good as suspension
 
man there is some dumb shit written in this thread, once you have even blood levels, your body does not know one test from another, the key is maintaining the even blood levels. Anyone who actually thinks one is better than the other, once you have the even levels, should stop getting there steroid info from the idiot at the gym whose been juicing for 15 years but weighs 150lbs
 
The Iron Game said:
If anyone says anything but suspension they are in the wrong sport. That said much of your strength gained from this will be lost, it is a pain in the ass (literally) to shoot and should not be used for long period 4-8 wks max IMO. For steadier but more keepable gains in both strength and size go with an esterified test (cyp/enanthate) personal favourites.

Peace
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No kidding bro, this is a no-brainer. As far as promoting aggressiveness, most believe suspension is better than any other AAS period, even methyltest.

And yes, my experience is that it is a fairly miserable drug to administer. I used an underground version (of course I guess that's the vast majority of supspension at this point) and had a bitch of a time avoiding clogging of the needle no matter what I tried be that thinning with b12, running hot water over the syringe, whatever. One shot would go right in, the next would clog no matter what pin size- it was just a roll of the dice.

Some shots won't leave terrible soreness and some will leave you feeling like you've been shot with buckshot.
 
I have always had GREAT SUCCESS with Sust-250. Anadrol IMO is the best drug for strength and size but you only have one Liver!!!!
 
toxicsambo said:
Suspension is by far the best, not just as a testosterone, but in general for those who want that "Hulk" look. But it's probably one of the most dangerous ever made. Anadrol 50, Suspension, and D-bol are like the holy trinity of gear. I think most ppl would agree the best shit is the most dangerous. The old timers loved that stuff ( Arnold, Oliva, Mentzer, etc), so I've heard. That's why they were so impressive, the early freaks of bodybuilding. They have such a noticably different physique than the new-era bodybuilders.
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I think though suspension can be used with proper anti-estrogens to minimize most of the side effects for which it's so infamous. Liver toxicity isn't IMO a huge issue compared to the oral drugs you mentioned (dbol and anadrol) since suspension is after all an injectable.
 
can someone explain to me why suspension is better in any way than say enth, as your body doesnt know the difference from one test to another, all it is is a different ester, with even blood levels all your body knows is its test
 
needsize said:
can someone explain to me why suspension is better in any way than say enth, as your body doesnt know the difference from one test to another, all it is is a different ester, with even blood levels all your body knows is its test
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Firstly, it is the fastest injectable test in existence and blood levels of test go sky high within a very few hours. It's very easy to time a shot so that your test levels are their very highest during a workout. It's like methyltest with twice the results gainwise and far fewer sides.

Secondly, it is the strongest test mg/mg because tests with esters aren't 100% test per mg, some of the weight is the ester. Suspension isn't a different ester, it is pure testosterone crystals, there is no ester.

Not trying to flame, just trying to give an honest explanation for all those wondering the same thing.
 
This is the second year I've used Suspension as my Test base in my summer cutting cycles... I'll never use an oil based (estered) Testosterone again.

For any goal- Suspension is God.
 
I've used sust and enanthate in the past but from now on I'm sticking with prop. mg for mg it got me the strongest, no doubt.
 
little chris said:
I've used sust and enanthate in the past but from now on I'm sticking with prop. mg for mg it got me the strongest, no doubt.
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That's very possible, because with suspension it's all in the timing. There are severe drawbacks to suspension, there's no doubt about that.

If you're saying 100mg/day of suspension vs. 100mg/day of prop, depending on a lot of factors a guy might simply do better on the prop because of stable blood levels. Of course, many will already have other injectables as a base, and they thrive on the spikes in test levels that suspension gives.
 
between susp and enanthate its a matter of taste and how often you wish to do injections. if your willing to do susp shots everyday then obviously its the quickest acting and if someone's responsible with dosage and prefers the quicker action then it would be the weapon of choice, however if your like me and the less injections the better i like enanthate obviously i'm waiting longer and my blood levels might not be exactly where they are with susp but you can keep them realtively even with the same dosage discipline. its a matter of picking them....the multi-ester tests like sust and omna are the ones that i feel are the hardest to really know where your at with considering you have four esters and your test is being released four different times into your system therefore harder to regulate. one ester or no ester is a much more effective way to dose and regulate test in you body and even though my handle is organon250 i prefer to not use sust anymore than i have to. i used organon250 because it was the base of my first cycle not because i'm the poster kid for sust even though i got great gains from it. what ester or no ester you use and prefer is up to the idividual and what they've tried that worked best for them for the given cycle because we're all different and every cycle and the goals for it are different. both enanthate and susp are great tools and test is by far and away my favorite AAS. my 2 cents.
 
Im sorry..some times you need to be strait up with people and tell the truth..although you might sound rough or like an asshole.

TEST IS FU*** test. If you think any test is better than the other you are damn stupid! Ester weights...Please ...that is so tiny of a percentage that it does not make a ANY difference.

When will people understand test is test! if you do 100 mg of prop per week or 700 mg of enthanate per week it is exactly the same. As long as you keep the levels the same. Also....i was realy cracking up when i heard someone talking of being stronger in the gym because your levels are highest then. LMFAO.
LOL so your telling me if i take 300 mg dbol pre workout i will be any stronger? Incorect.
Strenght as well as growth has a lot to do with the CNS...and your CNS responds over a large period of time.
Why do you think people see rsults and strenght gains in the 3rd week+ of thier cycles. Not the 1st. Well come on...they have all the test/juice active in the system at that time. Why can i not lift 1000 lbs when i start a cycle of drol. I pop 150 mg 1 day...why can i not be ultra stong the next.....after all my blood levels are soring.

JUST MY POINT! Not a flame just telling it like it is! TESTOSTERONE IS TESTOSTERONE!
 
damn, this is an old ass thread. Listen to polfa and needsize. I agree with them

Whiskey
 
If you want the fastest results in strength, in the shortest amount of time use what powerlifter uses before a meet-Halotestin, but dont stay on it for more than a wk.or two or you can kiss your liver good-bye.
 
Test is test. I've had good luck with every one of them.

What matters is how your body reacts to the esters, dosages, and quality (true strength) of the product. Each one hits me differently and some esters are just more convenient.

And I always get a bigger return with a stack that includes a nandro and an oral.
 
they all work good for me,cant really tell what brand gave best strength gains.suspension would be the correct answer, nut i voted for enan just b/c i use it the most.
 
Didn't read the whole thing but the answer is methyl test. Makes you grumpy as a bitch and strong as hell. Nasty stuff. But if you need to be as stong as possible at a particular time, it's the stuff. Would be great for fighters.
 
athlete03 said:
I know the question is vague, but in general, what do you guys think is the best test for strength?
testosterone cypionate, testosterone propionate, Enanthate, Suspension??? I've never ran test so I want to make sure I know what actually works.
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they ALL are great for strength..suspension works the quickest.
 
Test is test, its all the same shit except some take longer to start working.

This thread should actually be asking, "Which test works the quickest!?" cuz over time, they shoulda all be the same.
 
FlexManning said:
Firstly, it is the fastest injectable test in existence and blood levels of test go sky high within a very few hours. It's very easy to time a shot so that your test levels are their very highest during a workout. It's like methyltest with twice the results gainwise and far fewer sides.

Secondly, it is the strongest test mg/mg because tests with esters aren't 100% test per mg, some of the weight is the ester. Suspension isn't a different ester, it is pure testosterone crystals, there is no ester.

Not trying to flame, just trying to give an honest explanation for all those wondering the same thing.
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Man I would love to try that stuff.
 
Yes but something that brings about more aggression will effect adrenal and mind set which imho will effect what weights you will begin to attempt and the "rage" you put into each lift.
 
I understand it's alot less bulk included..hmm I need to find that anddrogenic chart again I thought masteron although low on size increase was right up with suspension on strength and the gains more easily kept..back to learning again lol
 
i used test e and only lost about 15 lbs. off my bench after the cycle was over. i should mention that i gained 65 lbs on bench during the cycle.
 
rediculus said:
I understand it's alot less bulk included..hmm I need to find that anddrogenic chart again I thought masteron although low on size increase was right up with suspension on strength and the gains more easily kept..back to learning again lol
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idk man, im pretty sure suspension will give better strength gains
 
personally ive only used cyp and sure it takes a couple weeks to see increase and strength and size but you keep more gains than with sus
 
mopain4u said:
i used test e and only lost about 15 lbs. off my bench after the cycle was over. i should mention that i gained 65 lbs on bench during the cycle.
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I am currently using Test-E. My 1st cycle and will be on it for about 15-20 weeks. How long was your cycle and did you stack it with anything else? When did you start noticing gains?
 
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