Best Testosterone for strength?

[JustGottaKnow]

Granted, enth and cyp differ only by one carbon atom in their ester side chain. However, that still makes enough difference for some people to see much different results. With suspension, there is NO time release, and no ester, so 100mg susp. hits you all at once, and it's a full 100mg. With enth or cyp, 100mg is more like 72mg of pure test, and it's time-released. So, suspension hits harder and faster, but in the long run, there's not as much real difference as people think. Plus, susp. usually costs a ton more and hurts like a bitch, just use a gram of enth or cyp and you'll be much happier

Thanks for your reply and I agree with you. But what about Prop vs Suspension. I like Prop better than cyp and enanth, but everyone is leaving it out of the conversation and talking about cyp vs suspension.

 

[Lowest]

B/c for some reason, most people don't see very big strength increases with prop, at least nothing compared to sus/cyp/enth and suspension. I'd say, from personal exp. and from dozens of friends, prop yields the least overall strength gains, so that's probably why they're neglecting to talk about it as much.

 

[Zyglamail]

the slower acting the ester, the better your chances at keeping gains...

I for one would like to hear the logic behind this claim.

Are you thinking that because the ester will cause a slower release that the gains will hang around longer? If so, I can agree to a small degree but the added duration is minimal at best, perhaps a few weeks or so. How does a few weeks translate into keepable? When I hear the word keepable I assume until you discontinue training not just a few extra weeks.

My opinion is that if you are within the limit of natural mass retention you will keep the muscle you gain if training, nutrition and rest are in place. If you are beyond what your body can naturally sustain the gains will fade regardless of the AAS used.

 

[JustGottaKnow]

I for one would like to hear the logic behind this claim.

Are you thinking that because the ester will cause a slower release that the gains will hang around longer? If so, I can agree to a small degree but the added duration is minimal at best, perhaps a few weeks or so. How does a few weeks translate into keepable? When I hear the word keepable I assume until you discontinue training not just a few extra weeks.

My opinion is that if you are within the limit of natural mass retention you will keep the muscle you gain if training, nutrition and rest are in place. If you are beyond what your body can naturally sustain the gains will fade regardless of the AAS used.

In addition to this, if you took 150mg of prop every 2-3 days you could maintain constant higher levels of test than similar amounts of the longer acting chains. Why would having higher amounts of test for the same duration yield worse results?

 

[Lowest]

Justgottaknow, b/c you WOULDN'T have higher constant levels. Prop has a short half-life, it's in and out too quickly to build up to a high blood level, that's why people don't retain as much water on it. Enth and cyp have much longer half-lives, they have time to build up to a significant concentration in the blood, much higher than the equivalent dosage of prop. If you took 100mg/day of prop, or 700mg/week of enth, who would hold more water, and have higher test levels? The guy taking enth, I know, I had blood tests that proved it. Plus, I held water like a balloon on enth, and much much less on prop.

 

[JustGottaKnow]

Justgottaknow, b/c you WOULDN'T have higher constant levels. Prop has a short half-life, it's in and out too quickly to build up to a high blood level, that's why people don't retain as much water on it. Enth and cyp have much longer half-lives, they have time to build up to a significant concentration in the blood, much higher than the equivalent dosage of prop. If you took 100mg/day of prop, or 700mg/week of enth, who would hold more water, and have higher test levels? The guy taking enth, I know, I had blood tests that proved it. Plus, I held water like a balloon on enth, and much much less on prop.

But, if you took 700mg enth/week, you wouldn't approach the daily levels of 100mg/day prop. Especially since enth takes about 10 days or so I've read in half life. That being the case, I can't see how in any point in time you would have more test in your system in this scenario taking enth. After 10 days of enth at 700mg, you have 350 the 1st week trickling in over some unknown period of time however the hell it works, no one has ever explained that one as far as I know, versus getting blasted with a full does at once. Which means you had 350mg available over a period of 7-10 days, versus 100mg/day of prop. And as the 350 gets used up over a period of time, the daily available amount has to be even less.
Also, if prop moved out that fast, why is suspension so much better? My understanding is prop has about a 3 day half life.

 

[Lowest]

Dude, all you need is some basic pharmacology. Look on the web and find the roid calculator. It'll show you that equivalent dosages of prop vs cyp will eventually yield mugh higher blood levels with cyp then prop. Suspension is a different beast b/c it has NO ester, it all hits you at once. Even acetate slows down absorption by a LARGE margin compared to suspension. Basically, as long as it has an ester, the longer the ester, the higher the eventual blood levels given that the weekly doses are the same.

 

[PantherG45]

So would it be beneficial to say front load your cycle with suspension or prop...and also use cyp or enth, so your blood levels would reach a higher level quicker without waiting for the longer esters to kick in?
I have been away from bodybuilding for a year or two, and around when I left, front loading seemed to be the big thing. Did it prove to be beneficial or was it just a fad and fade away?

 

[trinidad]

Never tried suspension but for me I've had my best size and strength gains from cypionate.

 

[Lowest]

Alot of people use test prop to jumpstart a cycle, it works quite well. I prefer dbol myself though, the ED injects of prop I reserve for cutting cycles only, and even then I use fina not prop. I only use enth/cyp as far as test is concerned.