best starter cycle

[Nelson Montana]

There's no way I can argue that 500 mgs won't produce better results than 250 mgs. But the reasoning behind lower dosage is one of safety. Not everyone wants to be on for life. And to raise T levels 10X's beyond what the body could possibly produce on its own is a shock to the system.

Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)

Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.

Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.

Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There's no way I can argue that 500 mgs won't produce better results than 250 mgs. But the reasoning behind lower dosage is one of safety. Not everyone wants to be on for life. And to raise T levels 10X's beyond what the body could possibly produce on its own is a shock to the system.

Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)

Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.

Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.

Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.

 

[the_alcatraz]

when I was younger I did a cycle of sustan 250 the injectable. so if that changes anything let me know

I'm a little consfued.

First you say you are ready to get on your first cycle, and then you say when you were young you've done a susta 250 cycle?

Is there anything else you want to share? just so we get all the facts and can know how to give you better advice...

Generally, I always give the same advice to a first cycle. Test alone!!!

 

[Chrisco915]

if looking to bulk i would do

1-10 500mg test e ew
have adex on hand.... .25 eod if needed

hcg use 500iu ed for last 10 days then stop 2 days before pct or use 500iu e3d when noticing atrohpy up until 2 days before pct starts
pct
11 days after last shot
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout

good training and diet could add some serious size...i wouldnt waste your time on 250mg ew

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to this man right here. That is dead on raisin balls accurate.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'd personally stick with 250 mgs of test c for a first cycle.

 

[Unit 2005]

people on here read too much into which first cycle is best, i can bet you most people's first experience with steroids is dbol on its own. Test is best, no doubt but i think that comes later on and for a beginner who doesnt know a whole lot about these things its also pretty hard to judge post cycle timing and simply stopping the use of the drug wont stop problems, dbol on the other hand you could. Personally i think primo is one of the better drugs to use first off, its pretty much side effect free, doesnt shut you down if the dosage is not outrageous, also it does not in any way shape or form convert to estrogen.

This is dead against what most would advise but id go with:

weeks 1-8: 400mg primobolan
weeks 1-4: 25mg Dbol

PCT 20mgs nolvadex for 4 weeks after last shot.
You can take nolvadex with the dianabol if you need it, but i doubt you would.

 

[Nelson Montana]

people on here read too much into which first cycle is best, i can bet you most people's first experience with steroids is dbol on its own. Test is best, no doubt but i think that comes later on and for a beginner who doesnt know a whole lot about these things its also pretty hard to judge post cycle timing and simply stopping the use of the drug wont stop problems, dbol on the other hand you could. Personally i think primo is one of the better drugs to use first off, its pretty much side effect free, doesnt shut you down if the dosage is not outrageous, also it does not in any way shape or form convert to estrogen.

This is dead against what most would advise but id go with:

weeks 1-8: 400mg primobolan
weeks 1-4: 25mg Dbol

PCT 20mgs nolvadex for 4 weeks after last shot.
You can take nolvadex with the dianabol if you need it, but i doubt you would.

I was with you up until the part where you recommend the nolvadex.

 

[armyman]

500 MGS of Test E is such a common dose among the community, that i dont see any reason why one wouldnt just do that. I understand that there are different side effects for different people, but jeesh you are sticking a needle in your body and injecting oil, expect side effects.

Maybe a better first cycle would be anavar or Primo. A mild androgenic/anabolic steroid. If a person is worried about side effects, use this substance, if the sides from this are too bad then Steroids just arent for you. I just dont understand why people get so hyped up about side effects. To much Tuna can be bad for you. Steroids are serious, and can have serious side effects (short term/long term), but i guess if you dont know enough about them to know what to take maybe you just shouldnt take them until you know enough to form your own opinion.

 

[ironman58]

thanks for the advice guys i really got alot out of this. sorry for all the confusion.

 

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