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if looking to bulk i would do
1-10 500mg test e ew
have adex on hand.... .25 eod if needed
hcg use 500iu ed for last 10 days then stop 2 days before pct or use 500iu e3d when noticing atrohpy up until 2 days before pct starts
pct
11 days after last shot
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout
good training and diet could add some serious size...i wouldnt waste your time on 250mg ew
1-10 500mg test e ew
have adex on hand.... .25 eod if needed
hcg use 500iu ed for last 10 days then stop 2 days before pct or use 500iu e3d when noticing atrohpy up until 2 days before pct starts
pct
11 days after last shot
60mg 7 days
40mg 14 days
sustain alpha throughout
good training and diet could add some serious size...i wouldnt waste your time on 250mg ew
i would use test prop 150 mg eod instead of test e. this way you can stop and let it clear your system faster if you have any problems. i would also have 2 ai's in case you have some kind of reaction to the adex you can switch.
before you start make sure you know about
im injection safety
gyno and all other possible sides from test
diet changes
pct
before you start make sure you know about
im injection safety
gyno and all other possible sides from test
diet changes
pct
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mr.nitro
Banned
I don't support statrer cycles. in theory all your doing is getting a shitty underdosed cycle just to see how it effects you. I say a good first cycle should be the same as a regular cycle. with regular doses.
my first cycle was 500mg test only for 12 weeks. results where eh, ok. my second cycle was 12 weeks 500mg test 400mg deca ahd holy shit what a difference.
my first cycle was 500mg test only for 12 weeks. results where eh, ok. my second cycle was 12 weeks 500mg test 400mg deca ahd holy shit what a difference.
i back ya on that,,,just didnt feel like argueing with the anti cyclers about doses tonight
EPROM
Banned
Interesting ....VERY interesting.
How would you feel about 12 weeks of 500mg Test-E along with 30 to 50mg of Dbol (first 4 to 6 weeks) as a first cycle?
Birdman
iceman7230
New member
Sounds like you already did your first cycle.
If I were you I would do:
1-12 Test E 500mgs ew
1-10 Deca 400mgs ew
1-14 DBol 30mgs ed
If you eat right you ahould be able to gain 25 pounds of solid muscle like I did on my first cycle, which was the above cycle.
If I were you I would do:
1-12 Test E 500mgs ew
1-10 Deca 400mgs ew
1-14 DBol 30mgs ed
If you eat right you ahould be able to gain 25 pounds of solid muscle like I did on my first cycle, which was the above cycle.
I look at it more this way.
With Test E you get 70 MG of Test per 100mg. So if you take 250mg/wk, that puts you at 175 mg of test per week. The average male produces about 80-100mg per week. So do you really want to shut down your natural production to not even double what you produce naturally?
This is especially important if you are using UG Labs, because if they are underdosed you are just wasting your money. I think the best dose is 500 mg a week of Test E.
With Test E you get 70 MG of Test per 100mg. So if you take 250mg/wk, that puts you at 175 mg of test per week. The average male produces about 80-100mg per week. So do you really want to shut down your natural production to not even double what you produce naturally?
This is especially important if you are using UG Labs, because if they are underdosed you are just wasting your money. I think the best dose is 500 mg a week of Test E.
There's no way I can argue that 500 mgs won't produce better results than 250 mgs. But the reasoning behind lower dosage is one of safety. Not everyone wants to be on for life. And to raise T levels 10X's beyond what the body could possibly produce on its own is a shock to the system.
Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)
Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.
Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.
Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.
Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)
Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.
Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.
Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.
There's no way I can argue that 500 mgs won't produce better results than 250 mgs. But the reasoning behind lower dosage is one of safety. Not everyone wants to be on for life. And to raise T levels 10X's beyond what the body could possibly produce on its own is a shock to the system.
Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)
Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.
Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.
Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.
Some of the guys from the pre-steroids days looked amazing and it was probably because their T levels were closer to 1000 ngs than the standard 500ngs or so. Do you know that 250 mgs will raise T to between 1000-2000ngs? ESPECIALLY for a first timer because they'll still have a higher natural T level. ANYONE who knows how to train will make good gains on that. (Incidentally, it seems the guys who take the LOWER dosages look better than the guys who take the higher dosages. Hmmm)
Sure, just dabbling is a waste. But it's good to test the waters. No one knows how they're going to react. Some guys get gyno from 10 mgs of d-bol a day. Others can take a shot of sus a day and no such problem.
Hell, if just knowing you're something makes you train harder and eat better, you'll make progress. And that's the name of the game -- not how much water weight you can gain for a couple of months.
Not trying to push anything here. Everyone makes a valid point. Just another perspective.
I'm a little consfued.
First you say you are ready to get on your first cycle, and then you say when you were young you've done a susta 250 cycle?
Is there anything else you want to share? just so we get all the facts and can know how to give you better advice...
Generally, I always give the same advice to a first cycle. Test alone!!!
Chrisco915
Banned
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to this man right here. That is dead on raisin balls accurate.
I'd personally stick with 250 mgs of test c for a first cycle.
people on here read too much into which first cycle is best, i can bet you most people's first experience with steroids is dbol on its own. Test is best, no doubt but i think that comes later on and for a beginner who doesnt know a whole lot about these things its also pretty hard to judge post cycle timing and simply stopping the use of the drug wont stop problems, dbol on the other hand you could. Personally i think primo is one of the better drugs to use first off, its pretty much side effect free, doesnt shut you down if the dosage is not outrageous, also it does not in any way shape or form convert to estrogen.
This is dead against what most would advise but id go with:
weeks 1-8: 400mg primobolan
weeks 1-4: 25mg Dbol
PCT 20mgs nolvadex for 4 weeks after last shot.
You can take nolvadex with the dianabol if you need it, but i doubt you would.
This is dead against what most would advise but id go with:
weeks 1-8: 400mg primobolan
weeks 1-4: 25mg Dbol
PCT 20mgs nolvadex for 4 weeks after last shot.
You can take nolvadex with the dianabol if you need it, but i doubt you would.
I was with you up until the part where you recommend the nolvadex.
500 MGS of Test E is such a common dose among the community, that i dont see any reason why one wouldnt just do that. I understand that there are different side effects for different people, but jeesh you are sticking a needle in your body and injecting oil, expect side effects.
Maybe a better first cycle would be anavar or Primo. A mild androgenic/anabolic steroid. If a person is worried about side effects, use this substance, if the sides from this are too bad then Steroids just arent for you. I just dont understand why people get so hyped up about side effects. To much Tuna can be bad for you. Steroids are serious, and can have serious side effects (short term/long term), but i guess if you dont know enough about them to know what to take maybe you just shouldnt take them until you know enough to form your own opinion.
Maybe a better first cycle would be anavar or Primo. A mild androgenic/anabolic steroid. If a person is worried about side effects, use this substance, if the sides from this are too bad then Steroids just arent for you. I just dont understand why people get so hyped up about side effects. To much Tuna can be bad for you. Steroids are serious, and can have serious side effects (short term/long term), but i guess if you dont know enough about them to know what to take maybe you just shouldnt take them until you know enough to form your own opinion.
Whats wrong with that?
Hey guys what was wrong with unit 2005s Nolvadex suggestion?
I'm a first timer as well, 65 kg, 24 YO, taking 4 (10mg) blue heart dbol ed for 6 weeks and 100mg test prop eod for 8 weeks. I am worried about Gyno and I can only get nolvadex, if i see signs can i run it during cycle? and how long for? and if I do this should I just continue running the nolvadex strait through into my PCT or should I stop when the gyno goes away and then start again for my PCT?
Sorry theres a few questions there.
I'm a first timer as well, 65 kg, 24 YO, taking 4 (10mg) blue heart dbol ed for 6 weeks and 100mg test prop eod for 8 weeks. I am worried about Gyno and I can only get nolvadex, if i see signs can i run it during cycle? and how long for? and if I do this should I just continue running the nolvadex strait through into my PCT or should I stop when the gyno goes away and then start again for my PCT?
Sorry theres a few questions there.
, use a oral the first 4 weeksSouthernFit
New member
Sounds like you already did your first cycle.
If I were you I would do:
1-12 test e500mgs ew
1-10 deca 400mgs ew
1-14 dbol 30mgs ed
If this was going to be ones cycle , because I have the same stats as this guy, just have a more strict diet and have been working out longer, what would one expect to pay for this cycle. Looking for relatively a cheaper but proven first cycle.
If I were you I would do:
1-12 test e500mgs ew
1-10 deca 400mgs ew
1-14 dbol 30mgs ed
If this was going to be ones cycle , because I have the same stats as this guy, just have a more strict diet and have been working out longer, what would one expect to pay for this cycle. Looking for relatively a cheaper but proven first cycle.
+1 great advice
RADAR
Well-known member
I started at 250 after not seeing much on week 5 i bumped it to 500wk ,wow! the difference was like night and day.
RADAR
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