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Just wanted to get some veiws on this topic.
Best rapper ever?
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Welsh power house
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I have been listening to rap for years and years. I dont love hip hop or rap, but enjoy ice t's stuff because he was the first gangster rapper and is in my opinion far the best rapper. He Practically made rap what it is today....hes been doing it since 1980 and still strong now, with 8 albums out he fucking rules!
2 pac is great, but i think people have only been saying he is the best ever since he died (or did he?!)....Dont get me wrong, his music speaks volumes but i think his popularity grew loads after he died. Still world class though.
Amoung the other choices there, i hope you think twice before saying eminem....i now a few fools who think he is....i think hes shit.
2 pac is great, but i think people have only been saying he is the best ever since he died (or did he?!)....Dont get me wrong, his music speaks volumes but i think his popularity grew loads after he died. Still world class though.
Amoung the other choices there, i hope you think twice before saying eminem....i now a few fools who think he is....i think hes shit.
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I know I'm risking karma for being honest here, but it's pretty terrible stuff. Why do people pay to be entertained by mysoginy, abuse, and hatred?
As far as overall "best" goes, 2Pac's the greatest. Say what you want, but he "said" more than any of those others. Honestly, I don't think he was a *horrible* actor, either. Not an Oscar contender, no doubt, but as far as playing a part--similar to stars like Arnold, etc.--the guy did his thing.
smokinghawk: That's pretty naive, man. That's like saying all country music is, is whining about the wife, or the dog you lost...or saying all alternative music is, is "weird," ya' know? OPEN YOUR MIND, MAN!
I can honestly say that the only kind of music I don't listen to is classical, but that's not to say a year from now my choices won't change. I've got CD's with Metallica, Dr. Dre, and Tim McGraw playing back to back...it's all about variety!
smokinghawk: That's pretty naive, man. That's like saying all country music is, is whining about the wife, or the dog you lost...or saying all alternative music is, is "weird," ya' know? OPEN YOUR MIND, MAN!
I can honestly say that the only kind of music I don't listen to is classical, but that's not to say a year from now my choices won't change. I've got CD's with Metallica, Dr. Dre, and Tim McGraw playing back to back...it's all about variety!
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Badkins21 said:
so true.
vicmack777
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There is a problem with this poll. The best rapper of all time isnt on there. Can We Say NOTORIOUS BIG. Dam biggy was by far the best there was and ever will be. For him not to be put on the list is ridiculous.
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My mind is open--and I know there is some excellent, positive stuff out there. You're right, I spoke improperly. But I will say that a LOT of it is pretty terrible (and yes, I'm honest enough to see the same in any other form of music, too, but look...let's be real here, it's not to the degree, and to the availability, that it's found in rap).
Sorry, but I don't want my 2-year-old son to grow up in a world where other people have made it okay to call you bitch, nigger, ho, etc., or celebrate in the availability of guns and weed.
And no, I'm not stereotyping rap here. With some remarkable exceptions, these topics saturate the product. It's rap that's begun to stereotype itself.
Sorry, but I don't want my 2-year-old son to grow up in a world where other people have made it okay to call you bitch, nigger, ho, etc., or celebrate in the availability of guns and weed.
And no, I'm not stereotyping rap here. With some remarkable exceptions, these topics saturate the product. It's rap that's begun to stereotype itself.
Johnny Auto Parts
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I think KRS-One and Biggie Smalls should be a part of that poll.
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Johnny Auto Parts said:
You would also def. have to mention Nas and Jay-Z. Definetely two of the best without a doubt.
SteinerFreak
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How can you not put Biggie on this list, he was the best in my opinion. I cant vote until BIG is added to the list.
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I say Ice Cube, because he is an all around rapper. from his thug days to his club days. he knows how to do it. and usually his background music is dope too.
BigDdaGanjalist
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from the list
best entertainers: Method Man/Eminem/Snoop
best rappers/mc: Rakim/Guru from Gangstarr/Eminem
why isn't Nasty Nas on your list? that's my all-time favourite MC.
ultimate showdown would be Nasty Nas vs. Slim Shady
best entertainers: Method Man/Eminem/Snoop
best rappers/mc: Rakim/Guru from Gangstarr/Eminem
why isn't Nasty Nas on your list? that's my all-time favourite MC.
ultimate showdown would be Nasty Nas vs. Slim Shady
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did anyone else notice Tupac's questionable transition from his Digital Underground days to his Thug Life days?
him and Biggie were good rappers in their respectable fields but they weren't THAT amazing with their wordplay.
him and Biggie were good rappers in their respectable fields but they weren't THAT amazing with their wordplay.
Welsh power house
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I knew this would come up. rappers like eminem, notorious, jay-z, ja rule.....are popular, but no way can be considered the best of all time! Each have'nt done much for hip hop. Eminem has made it more hated by critics and brought everything he does into the charts...both him, jay-z and ja rule are huge sell outs.
Why do i say this? They all started to make hardcore rap...aimed at hardcore fans and then knowing that they aint selling enough records to stay down with the hardcore....go pop.....that is selling out! Rap has always been about 'keeping it real' and doing what they have done exlcudes them from the elite rappers because the are now pop stars.
BIG was not the best of all time. His lyrics were mumbled and weak, not much at all....To comapre him to Guru, ice-t, cube, chuck, rakim or dre is bullshit.
Yeah krs 1 is good, but still...best of all time....i dont think so.
Why do i say this? They all started to make hardcore rap...aimed at hardcore fans and then knowing that they aint selling enough records to stay down with the hardcore....go pop.....that is selling out! Rap has always been about 'keeping it real' and doing what they have done exlcudes them from the elite rappers because the are now pop stars.
BIG was not the best of all time. His lyrics were mumbled and weak, not much at all....To comapre him to Guru, ice-t, cube, chuck, rakim or dre is bullshit.
Yeah krs 1 is good, but still...best of all time....i dont think so.
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the People's Champ said:
Ice cube has some awesome tracks...been around ages too. hes class and has some funky beats aswell!
BigDdaGanjalist
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for the record
nobody ever decides if they wanna go pop or not, the fans decide.
For me a good mc is someone who is witty, can flip words around, tell stories and most importantly be able to hold their own in a head-to-head FREESTLE MC battle.
I look at skill and lasting factor to guage who is best of all time. Not how MTV/MuchMusic/BET portrays these people.
nobody ever decides if they wanna go pop or not, the fans decide.
For me a good mc is someone who is witty, can flip words around, tell stories and most importantly be able to hold their own in a head-to-head FREESTLE MC battle.
I look at skill and lasting factor to guage who is best of all time. Not how MTV/MuchMusic/BET portrays these people.
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ps: ja rule was never "hardcore".
vicmack777
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BigDdaGanjalist said:
You obviously know what your talkin about, but this welsh guy should be the last person on this board to start a rap poll. Will Smith?
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Welsh power house said:
The only person who you could consider the best rapper of all-time BEHIND Big, is Rakim. The rest you have to be kiddin me with. I mean they're alright but not even in the same league as BIG.
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BigDdaGanjalist said:
spoken like a true junglist
Welsh power house
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yeah i would agree that fans can decide certain things, but going pop aint one of them. Will smith has always aimed his music at popular charts since he makes 'feel good' rap so naturally his music goes to the audience he aims it at. Rakim, public enemy and others have aimed their music at the more, for lack of a better term, hardcore audience and regardless of fans have kept their music that way.
They either release a single into the pop charts or they dont.
yeah no doubt, freestyling is a huge part of being a great rapper, and whoever said rakim was behind big is rubbish. Have you heard big freestyle....good, not great.
I dont mind his music at all, some of its class but i really think you are over rating him.
I put will smith in the choices because he has sold a shit load of records, is one of the biggest names in rap and in my opinion has some decent records out....nice to listen to some of his stuff aswell as the hardcore shit too.
They either release a single into the pop charts or they dont.
yeah no doubt, freestyling is a huge part of being a great rapper, and whoever said rakim was behind big is rubbish. Have you heard big freestyle....good, not great.
I dont mind his music at all, some of its class but i really think you are over rating him.
I put will smith in the choices because he has sold a shit load of records, is one of the biggest names in rap and in my opinion has some decent records out....nice to listen to some of his stuff aswell as the hardcore shit too.
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Rakim or Ice-t technically(freestyling, lyricall content..) 2 pac or Ice cube probably best all over. Both are good rappers and have a wide range of tracks, i loved all eyes on me.
Whoever said Run Dmc, yeah would agree they rule, but are two togther, like de la soul, daz efx, m.o.p, wu-tang, westside connection, n.w.a or any other rap act cant really be included in this poll, yeah ok method man has done his own stuff too so i guess thats cool.
Whoever said Run Dmc, yeah would agree they rule, but are two togther, like de la soul, daz efx, m.o.p, wu-tang, westside connection, n.w.a or any other rap act cant really be included in this poll, yeah ok method man has done his own stuff too so i guess thats cool.
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I think this poll also ignored Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli...arguably the top 3 lyricists in the game. Maybe they haven't done enough to be GOATs but they are definitely among the top rappers out today.
But it seems this thread is more geared to rappers who make familiar tracks with great beats. That's fine with me--I listen to a mix of lyrical shit and more mainstream hip hop. I still don't think its been justified why Biggie isn't a consideration....furthermore, there are very few rappers who can actually freestyle--neither Biggie nor Rakim can. All they do is kick a pre-written verse in a studio over some random beat...thats not freestyling.
But it seems this thread is more geared to rappers who make familiar tracks with great beats. That's fine with me--I listen to a mix of lyrical shit and more mainstream hip hop. I still don't think its been justified why Biggie isn't a consideration....furthermore, there are very few rappers who can actually freestyle--neither Biggie nor Rakim can. All they do is kick a pre-written verse in a studio over some random beat...thats not freestyling.
hhmm, seems we need to define the word rapper. From this list, I say Rakim or Method Man. Personally, I really like Pharoah Monch, he is sick.
lyrics? Rakim
freestyle? Kurrupt, I heard him freestyle for 20 damn minutes without missing a beat.
message? Common
Slim Shady was dope when he was hungry and all...fame makes people soft, ask Jay-Z or Nas, neither can freestyle anymore.
lyrics? Rakim
freestyle? Kurrupt, I heard him freestyle for 20 damn minutes without missing a beat.
message? Common
Slim Shady was dope when he was hungry and all...fame makes people soft, ask Jay-Z or Nas, neither can freestyle anymore.
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furious said:
also the fact that before they had a deal they've prolly been working on that first album ever since they first started thinking about mc'n... so any album after the first one just can't compare to the years of work... but Im confident that Slim can still freestyle, he's still somewhat new.
As for Will Smith, he's always had the same style since forever. So is he keepin it real? I personally like that song 'Parents Just Don't Understand' that and 'Shut Em Down' by Public Enemy were one of the first rap songs I ever liked.
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manny78 said:
totally forgot bout this cat. mos def hott.
Basically anyone who was around back in the day and is still kickin now, Ice Cube, Ice T, DMC, Dre, Public Enemy, these guys paved the way for the guys that are big now.
But as for absolute favourite, Ice Cube all the way, been listening to him since "NWA and the Posse" back in 1986", his lyrics are awesome.
But as for absolute favourite, Ice Cube all the way, been listening to him since "NWA and the Posse" back in 1986", his lyrics are awesome.
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Estranged said:
A lot of us arent voting because the best rappers arent on this list. Im not voting for Will Smith. LMFAO!!!!!!
Why does he have 2 pac, cude, ice-t and snoop on that list?
I would agree and say Ice-t is the best of all time. Invented Gangster rap has loads of shit out, done loads for rap, clever lyrics amazing freestyler...all round the best imo.
Pac is one of the best and should be on the list. Saying that, so should big baddy kane and krs 1. Eminem should'nt. Ice cude is also well up there with the best ever, not so sure about snoop dogg, hes good but there are better choices for best ever. I would agree with putting biggie, krs and kane up there and taking off eminem.
I would agree and say Ice-t is the best of all time. Invented Gangster rap has loads of shit out, done loads for rap, clever lyrics amazing freestyler...all round the best imo.
Pac is one of the best and should be on the list. Saying that, so should big baddy kane and krs 1. Eminem should'nt. Ice cude is also well up there with the best ever, not so sure about snoop dogg, hes good but there are better choices for best ever. I would agree with putting biggie, krs and kane up there and taking off eminem.
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vicmack777 said:There is a problem with this poll. The best rapper of all time isnt on there. Can We Say NOTORIOUS BIG. Dam biggy was by far the best there was and ever will be. For him not to be put on the list is ridiculous.
agree
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where's Nas?
Welsh power house
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Nas as best rapper ever?
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I don't think this should be a poll. Too many people out there to narrow it down. That said, some of my favorites are grandaddy I.U., The Dayton Family, ESG... there are so many more. Have any of you ever heard of these guys?
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Estranged said:
DMX is crap. He trys to act hardcore when he's not. He's all talk and no show. Not to long ago he backed down from Canibus and turned into a little pussy.........DMX gose public and kisses his ass all over the radio. What a fake!!!!!!!!! He's now a joke in a lot of hip hop fans eyes.
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Mysterio said:
Yeah, DMX is a joke in a lot of fans eyes.vicmack777
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Welsh power house said:
Yeah, whats wrong with that. I personally dont think he is, but he's def. up there above almost everyone you put on your list.
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Mysterio said:
Oh, and one more to u mysterio. You killed all your credibility in this thread, by saying "Ol Dirty Bastard is the shit" Were you serious? Damn i hope not. LMFAO
Best rapper ever?
Well this question is basically impossible to answer. Rap is still developing and the styles are dramatically different. Are we looking at freestyle, delivery, raw talent, influence, or perhaps most imporantly content. As far as main stream rap is concerned, my personal favs (including groups) include, Gangstarr, Dilated Peoples (main stream, well they made MTV), A Tribe Called Quest, J-5, Mos Def, Nas, and the late BIG L and NOTORIOUS BIG.
Anyways mainstream hip hop has essentially become crap. If you guys think Jay-Z is even close to the best rapper ever, its time to start listening to some real rap. The underground is great right now. Rappers like Slug from Atmosphere, Apathy from Demigodz, and Blackalicious are so much more interesting and entertaining. Their use of word play, storytelling, and overall content makes Jay-Z look, well, rather boring. Seriously, start downloading some underground stuff and then buy what you like to support their art. Seriously guys, go download some of the names I just dropped and I think it will change your perspective on hip hop.
I've been listening to rap forever, and people told me I would grow out of it, but I just had to go deeper into it to find really great music. I will always love it!
Well this question is basically impossible to answer. Rap is still developing and the styles are dramatically different. Are we looking at freestyle, delivery, raw talent, influence, or perhaps most imporantly content. As far as main stream rap is concerned, my personal favs (including groups) include, Gangstarr, Dilated Peoples (main stream, well they made MTV), A Tribe Called Quest, J-5, Mos Def, Nas, and the late BIG L and NOTORIOUS BIG.
Anyways mainstream hip hop has essentially become crap. If you guys think Jay-Z is even close to the best rapper ever, its time to start listening to some real rap. The underground is great right now. Rappers like Slug from Atmosphere, Apathy from Demigodz, and Blackalicious are so much more interesting and entertaining. Their use of word play, storytelling, and overall content makes Jay-Z look, well, rather boring. Seriously, start downloading some underground stuff and then buy what you like to support their art. Seriously guys, go download some of the names I just dropped and I think it will change your perspective on hip hop.
I've been listening to rap forever, and people told me I would grow out of it, but I just had to go deeper into it to find really great music. I will always love it!
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Mysterio said:
NAS is a sellout?
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focoman said:
this goes for any genre. anything mainstream will only go so far, or do so little. IMO, just turning on the radio and complying with whatever is playing and saying that artist is the best or makes the most money is such a hypocrisy. they sell out to the masses. sure they started out small, and everyone wants to make it big, but the ones that keep it true in any genre, usually lay low or do not get the credit they deserve because they don't conform to the record label's way. D.I.Y mang.
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Mysterio said:
YOUR RIGHT...he is shit
Welsh power house
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str8cubano said:
You said it!!
Taps said:Eminem is actually pretty talanted. Once you get past all his bullshit, the man can bust some good rhymes.
My fav of all time is Eazy-E. "Gimmie That Nut" is the funniest shit I've ever listened to.
Now I love pussy and pussy loves me
Like a lemon to the lime
And a bubble to the bee
You know it's real good
And nothing can resit it
Couldn't be a hoot
Make me move and get it twisted
Cause in some pussy is the place to be
Always fuckin is the life for me
Spread then legs open far and wide
Fuck this shit just let me put my dick inside
ohhh my God soooooooo gooooood. I still have the Ol' vinyl of it.
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Taps said:
I have to agree. sad to say, too bad he's white, and psychotic. Otherwise he'd be running rap right now alongside Jay-Z.
Welsh power house
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ummm, you are joking right?
noone said BIG L!!!!! WTF!!!
he was so metaphorical with his shit and his rhyme delivery was blatant as fuk and hes missed with all this bullshit out now
personally i think AZ's flow is one of the nicest i ever heard...
about Nas, i feel he was only worth an ear with his iLLmatic album...he pretty much turned into a fairy after that..but illmatic is definitely a classic on my list
jay-z was also nice as hell on reasonable doubt then he turned into madonna after that too
eminem had some fuckin awesome ass freestyles back in the day but he got raped by mtv n i feel he aint what he used to be..its like hes over paranoid bout everything/everyone
grand puba was a cool fucker too ...gang starr, old mobb deep, j-zone, gza, INS, and some other fuckers i forgot
he was so metaphorical with his shit and his rhyme delivery was blatant as fuk and hes missed with all this bullshit out now
personally i think AZ's flow is one of the nicest i ever heard...
about Nas, i feel he was only worth an ear with his iLLmatic album...he pretty much turned into a fairy after that..but illmatic is definitely a classic on my list
jay-z was also nice as hell on reasonable doubt then he turned into madonna after that too
eminem had some fuckin awesome ass freestyles back in the day but he got raped by mtv n i feel he aint what he used to be..its like hes over paranoid bout everything/everyone
grand puba was a cool fucker too ...gang starr, old mobb deep, j-zone, gza, INS, and some other fuckers i forgot
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I liked AZ's doe or die album....good shit
that song is hilarious!! i've always loved it.. in my opinion, it's almost impossible to name only one rapper as the best of all time.. there are so many different rappers that are good in their own ways, so many different styles... i can say i really like biggie, jay-z, eminem, ol' dirty bastard (he's funny), outkast, and even juvenile... not saying they are great, the best of all time or extremely talented, or anything... simply that i enjoy their music 
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WTF?!? that list was crazy!
Overall= Tupac Makaveli Shakur ,his beats werent the best, his lyrics werent the best but overall he is the greatest rapper ever
Emcee=Rakim, no explaination needed, followed close by KRS One.
Gangsta Rapper=EAZY-E, hes the godfather of Gangsta Rap a legend..followed by Ice-T and Ice cube (back in the day)
Nasty Nas is still dope, heard his last album? its a classic....Gangstarr,Big L,A.T.C.Q are also close to being the best but overall Tupac was better
Lyrics=Rakim,Canibus
Beats=DJ Premier, DJ Quik.
Overall= Tupac Makaveli Shakur ,his beats werent the best, his lyrics werent the best but overall he is the greatest rapper ever
Emcee=Rakim, no explaination needed, followed close by KRS One.
Gangsta Rapper=EAZY-E, hes the godfather of Gangsta Rap a legend..followed by Ice-T and Ice cube (back in the day)
Nasty Nas is still dope, heard his last album? its a classic....Gangstarr,Big L,A.T.C.Q are also close to being the best but overall Tupac was better
Lyrics=Rakim,Canibus
Beats=DJ Premier, DJ Quik.
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DE LA SOUL, BEASTIES, CYPRESS HILL, POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS, RUN DMC, DAS EFX ARE MY PERSONAL FAVORITES. OLD SCHOOL RAP MADE INTO DANCE REMIXES ARE GREAT.
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Where the fuck is Prodigy (from mobb deep), Rza (from gravediggaz, wutang of course and his singles) Too Short (no explanation needed). Canibus is a good lyricist IMO. No one competes with old dirty bastard for that goddamn gutteral dirty shit...
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You didn't even mention Kilo Ali, brutha.
Once again, I return to regulate on a thread... I love rap deeply and actually plan to release an album. After reading some of your responses I thought I'd share my opinions.
Some food for thought:
Topic: FREESTYLING - Why in the fuck did this even become important at all? How many people are asking Garth Brooks or Shakira to sing a song on the fly? Now obviously, it can be fun and I can see how it caught on. But anyone who uses freestyling as a general gauge of skill is a retard unless they are simply gauging the skills of other freestyles. Chuck D, from Public Enemy, once said "I dont freestyle much, but I write em like such". Thats such a great line. Who gives a shit if someone can make up rhymes in an impromptu manner. They arent putting them on an album anyway, so it is no indicator of skill at all.
Topic: "BEST RAPPER EVER?" - There are sub-genres of rap just like their are sub-genres of rock. From queer shit like Will Smith to hardcore groups like NWA to political rap like KRS-One & Public Enemy to Southern Bounce, etc. This itself makes it harder to make a choice. Now by best rapper, I think this means for lyrical content and prowess in writing rhymes and mic skills. This immediately disqualifies most of the list. Forget how 'gangsta' someone is, how cool their video is, who their dating, if their mom is a whore, etc. and focus on this. If you do, and you have to choose from the names on that list, its easily Rakim or Eminem.
Topic: B.I.G. & 2 PAC - Not even close to being the best rappers ever. Lets break it down, because I'm sure theres lots of opposition to this opinion. Biggie & 2Pac were average to above average rappers who became "badass" after they died. The controversy surrounding both of their deaths caused many people to become emotionally attached and therefore overlook their averageness. Their fan bases actually grew after their deaths. However, while each did contribute some gems ("Hypnotize", "Big Poppa", "Mo Money Mo Problems", "Dear Mama", "Changes", "2 of Americas Most Wanted") to the rap game, most of their songs were not great. At the rate 2Pac wrote & recorded songs, some were bound to become hits based on probability alone. He wrote so quickly & generically and often contradicted himself from song to song. When he died, he had recorded enough songs to make another 6-10 albums. He'd write and make 5 songs in a day. Thats not skill, thats rushing because you want to get paid. As for BIG, he often mumbled lyrics (as earlier mentioned in this thread) and had other flaws.
Greatest Producer Ever - Dr. Dre (with HM to Mannie Fresh, Timbaland, & RZA)
- Face it, you could take the hottest MC on earth, and have him rap over a bullshit track and it wouldnt do anything. Beats are as important (or more important) than the lyrics. I myself have been struggling to find a good producer. For those who would mention other producers as better than Dre, If you follow Dre's producing career from the World Class Wreckin Cru to NWA to Death Row to Aftermath, you'll see just how impressive of a producer he is.
Greatest Rap Group Ever - Wu-Tang Clan or NWA
- Each has contributed its own legacy to rap and both are still active. Wu-Tang Clan started out with 9 members, and added a 10th (Cappadonna, who might now be out of the group). Other than that, no one has ever left or been kicked out. 9 personalities is way more than most groups have to go through. Their landmark deal with Loud, 2 unbelievably great albums (Enter the Wu-Tang & Wu-Tang Forever), etc. solidifies their place as a great group. NWA is a different type of music and therefore a different group. They were a groundbreaking group, and if you havent ever seen the "Welcome to Death Row" DVD, i suggest you do. It basically covers NWA, the whole Death Row era, and the aftermath of what happened. With having 3 great MCs and 2 great DJs (one of whom, Dr. Dre, proved he could rap later) there were no "weak" links like many other groups. NWA recently re-united, filling the vacant spot left by Eazy E's death with Snoop Dogg, but have yet to release a new album, just the song "Chin Check', which is a good example of their ability to still tear it up.
Greatest Non-Compilation/Greatest Hits Rap Album: "The Chronic" - Dr. Dre (with honorable mention to: "Wu-Tang Forever" - Wu-Tang Clan, "Chronic 2001" - Dr. Dre, "Devil Without a Cause" - Kid Rock, "The Marshall Mathers LP" - Eminem, "I Got That Work" - Big Tymers)
Greatest Compilation/Greatest Hits Rap Album: "NWA Legacy" - NWA or "Eternal E" - Eazy E
Greatest Rap Song: "Nuthin But a G Thang" - Dr. Dre
Some food for thought:
Topic: FREESTYLING - Why in the fuck did this even become important at all? How many people are asking Garth Brooks or Shakira to sing a song on the fly? Now obviously, it can be fun and I can see how it caught on. But anyone who uses freestyling as a general gauge of skill is a retard unless they are simply gauging the skills of other freestyles. Chuck D, from Public Enemy, once said "I dont freestyle much, but I write em like such". Thats such a great line. Who gives a shit if someone can make up rhymes in an impromptu manner. They arent putting them on an album anyway, so it is no indicator of skill at all.
Topic: "BEST RAPPER EVER?" - There are sub-genres of rap just like their are sub-genres of rock. From queer shit like Will Smith to hardcore groups like NWA to political rap like KRS-One & Public Enemy to Southern Bounce, etc. This itself makes it harder to make a choice. Now by best rapper, I think this means for lyrical content and prowess in writing rhymes and mic skills. This immediately disqualifies most of the list. Forget how 'gangsta' someone is, how cool their video is, who their dating, if their mom is a whore, etc. and focus on this. If you do, and you have to choose from the names on that list, its easily Rakim or Eminem.
Topic: B.I.G. & 2 PAC - Not even close to being the best rappers ever. Lets break it down, because I'm sure theres lots of opposition to this opinion. Biggie & 2Pac were average to above average rappers who became "badass" after they died. The controversy surrounding both of their deaths caused many people to become emotionally attached and therefore overlook their averageness. Their fan bases actually grew after their deaths. However, while each did contribute some gems ("Hypnotize", "Big Poppa", "Mo Money Mo Problems", "Dear Mama", "Changes", "2 of Americas Most Wanted") to the rap game, most of their songs were not great. At the rate 2Pac wrote & recorded songs, some were bound to become hits based on probability alone. He wrote so quickly & generically and often contradicted himself from song to song. When he died, he had recorded enough songs to make another 6-10 albums. He'd write and make 5 songs in a day. Thats not skill, thats rushing because you want to get paid. As for BIG, he often mumbled lyrics (as earlier mentioned in this thread) and had other flaws.
Greatest Producer Ever - Dr. Dre (with HM to Mannie Fresh, Timbaland, & RZA)
- Face it, you could take the hottest MC on earth, and have him rap over a bullshit track and it wouldnt do anything. Beats are as important (or more important) than the lyrics. I myself have been struggling to find a good producer. For those who would mention other producers as better than Dre, If you follow Dre's producing career from the World Class Wreckin Cru to NWA to Death Row to Aftermath, you'll see just how impressive of a producer he is.
Greatest Rap Group Ever - Wu-Tang Clan or NWA
- Each has contributed its own legacy to rap and both are still active. Wu-Tang Clan started out with 9 members, and added a 10th (Cappadonna, who might now be out of the group). Other than that, no one has ever left or been kicked out. 9 personalities is way more than most groups have to go through. Their landmark deal with Loud, 2 unbelievably great albums (Enter the Wu-Tang & Wu-Tang Forever), etc. solidifies their place as a great group. NWA is a different type of music and therefore a different group. They were a groundbreaking group, and if you havent ever seen the "Welcome to Death Row" DVD, i suggest you do. It basically covers NWA, the whole Death Row era, and the aftermath of what happened. With having 3 great MCs and 2 great DJs (one of whom, Dr. Dre, proved he could rap later) there were no "weak" links like many other groups. NWA recently re-united, filling the vacant spot left by Eazy E's death with Snoop Dogg, but have yet to release a new album, just the song "Chin Check', which is a good example of their ability to still tear it up.
Greatest Non-Compilation/Greatest Hits Rap Album: "The Chronic" - Dr. Dre (with honorable mention to: "Wu-Tang Forever" - Wu-Tang Clan, "Chronic 2001" - Dr. Dre, "Devil Without a Cause" - Kid Rock, "The Marshall Mathers LP" - Eminem, "I Got That Work" - Big Tymers)
Greatest Compilation/Greatest Hits Rap Album: "NWA Legacy" - NWA or "Eternal E" - Eazy E
Greatest Rap Song: "Nuthin But a G Thang" - Dr. Dre
Welsh power house
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Beefy bull, i totally agree with what you said about pac & biggie.
I love to listen to some of the shit pac has brought out, its cool, fucnky and emotion filled beats, but not the best rapper of all time, lyrically he (or anyone else) can stand toe to toe with either ICE-T or RAKIM.
These two ARE the two best rappers ever.
I also love rap music, have done for years, i thought of getting in to it myself.....have two friends who i've worked with in the past who both have two albums out, one has just been signed with a label. I know what it means to be a great rapper....sure freestyling aint everything, but it sure does help.
Chuck D said that line in 1998, for 'he got game' the song for the motion picture, very poor compared to what he(they) used to bring out.
Ice-t, has to be the best ever.
Why?
He, back in 1980 started rapping in clubs doing all that feel good, sugar hill type rap.....did'nt get anywhere with it, so he decided to kick ryhmes about nothing but every day topics, from growing up in tough areas, money, power, violence, racism to sex & drugs.
Never before had the music industry been more shocked.
'Gangster rap' was born.....calling himself OG - the original gangster....he paved the way for every rapper that followed.
He was the first hardcore rapper, definatly the best lyrically in the 80's, without a doubt. Easy-E, Dre and NWA cant touch him for 'starting this shit' like they said.....he was around 5 years before!
He has'nt released any quality material, i will admit since around 95/96.....but the fact remains, gotta be the best of all time.
No one else can say they have done what hes doen, he started the whole HIP-HOP, GANGTA RAP, UNDERGROUND & HARDCORE music industry......
I love to listen to some of the shit pac has brought out, its cool, fucnky and emotion filled beats, but not the best rapper of all time, lyrically he (or anyone else) can stand toe to toe with either ICE-T or RAKIM.
These two ARE the two best rappers ever.
I also love rap music, have done for years, i thought of getting in to it myself.....have two friends who i've worked with in the past who both have two albums out, one has just been signed with a label. I know what it means to be a great rapper....sure freestyling aint everything, but it sure does help.
Chuck D said that line in 1998, for 'he got game' the song for the motion picture, very poor compared to what he(they) used to bring out.
Ice-t, has to be the best ever.
Why?
He, back in 1980 started rapping in clubs doing all that feel good, sugar hill type rap.....did'nt get anywhere with it, so he decided to kick ryhmes about nothing but every day topics, from growing up in tough areas, money, power, violence, racism to sex & drugs.
Never before had the music industry been more shocked.
'Gangster rap' was born.....calling himself OG - the original gangster....he paved the way for every rapper that followed.
He was the first hardcore rapper, definatly the best lyrically in the 80's, without a doubt. Easy-E, Dre and NWA cant touch him for 'starting this shit' like they said.....he was around 5 years before!
He has'nt released any quality material, i will admit since around 95/96.....but the fact remains, gotta be the best of all time.
No one else can say they have done what hes doen, he started the whole HIP-HOP, GANGTA RAP, UNDERGROUND & HARDCORE music industry......
Welsh power house said:
True that
He was the first hardcore rapper, definatly the best lyrically in the 80's, without a doubt. Easy-E, Dre and NWA cant touch him for 'starting this shit' like they said.....he was around 5 years before! [/QUOTE]
Sugarhill Gang released "Rappers Delight" in 1980, altho it has been suggested people were "rapping" in the Bronx since 78-79. Dr. Dre joined the World Class Wreckin Cru in 1982. Thats the earliest I can him remember being an actual performer. I'm not sure about Ice T's earliest recording, but I'd imagine it was about the same time. I like both artists immensely, but Dre's beats are unmatchable, period, which is why he is the greatest producer of any genre of music, ever. Eazy E did not release a solo album until 1990, but the first NWA project (NWA & The Posse) was in 86. Eazy and Dre had met in 85-86 when Eazy bailed Dre out of jail, in exchange, Dre had to produce for him and they became friends. So I'm sure you're right about Ice T preceding Eazy, b/c Eazy didnt even originally want to rap, he just wanted to have executive producer credits and make money as a business. But Dre and Ice T probably came out right about the same time.
BTW, "Cop Killer" - Body Count (Ice-T's Rap/Rock group) is one of the best rap-rock songs ever.
Welsh power house
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Whats the point?
MrMakaveli
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2pac
Well even with the lack of Nas, Kerupt, Redman, etc on the poll, you still have to give it to Tupac, if not for his flow and rhyming then simply for his shock value. Hit em Up will always be one of the most extreme rap songs ever, and no diss can ever touch it.
Well even with the lack of Nas, Kerupt, Redman, etc on the poll, you still have to give it to Tupac, if not for his flow and rhyming then simply for his shock value. Hit em Up will always be one of the most extreme rap songs ever, and no diss can ever touch it.
Welsh power house
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Needhelp said:
Explain......who would you put up there?
Who do you think should'nt be on there and why?
Who should be up on htere instead of who and why?
the People's Champ said:
this goes for any genre. anything mainstream will only go so far, or do so little. IMO, just turning on the radio and complying with whatever is playing and saying that artist is the best or makes the most money is such a hypocrisy. they sell out to the masses. sure they started out small, and everyone wants to make it big, but the ones that keep it true in any genre, usually lay low or do not get the credit they deserve because they don't conform to the record label's way. D.I.Y mang.
That's right. And these people who decide to join the bandwagons'll only last until the fad dies out.
Mysterio said:
I don' think so. The only reason they known right now is cause they got hot beats, catchy hooks, and they sold out.
BeefyBull said:
I agree on some, but not all of what's said here. Biggie, and Tupac's fan base did grow after they died, but consider this. Before Biggie died, his album "Ready to Die" had sold over 3 million copies. Before 2pac died, he already had 5 platinum albums(3 of which BEFORE HE DIED went quatruple platinum, so before he died, he had already sold over 15 million albums. And not saying album sales mean everything. It just shows Biggie, and Pac had a strong fan base before they died ), and was considered to be in the same class as classic rappers like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and KRS-One. Pac even got some recognition from one of the greats, KRS-One saying "While ya'll were respecting Tupac, Tupac was respecting me". An also, Pac didn't rush his work, he had a passion for it. He was known for spending sometimes up to 18 hours in the studio a day. That may explain why he came up with so much material. Yeah he didn't have the best wordplay, but in my opinion, he had mind blowing lyrics. His style is so real, and he always had nice flow, tone, and raw emotion in his music. His style ain't meant for wordplay. Pac is the best rapper of all time.
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Evloks said:
The Big Tymers are indeed talented. In their own way, yes. Even they admit that their lyrics arent the best, "we dont rap, we game spit, boy understand that". But you cant deny the fact that Mannie Fresh is one of the best rap producers of all-time. Right there with Dr. Dre and RZA. It seems this day, if you do lay down beats that are appreciated by all (from thugs to girls) and a somewhat catchy hook (wheres Nate Dogg?), the rest of the rap song just has to rhyme to be a commercial success. However, when you listen to the Big Tymers, they really do say some funny, outlandish shit. I've heard shit from them that has made me laugh out loud. "Henne & X" - B.G. feat. Big Tymers is HILARIOUS. Throw in tracks like: "#1 Stunna", "Get Your Roll On", "We Hustle", "Thats Sharp", "No, No", "10 Wayz", etc. and youll see how talented they are as performers in general...
As for the "selling out", I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but regardless, who wouldnt? I myself rap and I guarantee that I'll do anything and everything short of having an action figure (and maybe even that) to get money with my fame (when I'm famous). If your idea of success is being an underground legend, moving 1000-15000 albums a year, performing until your 40 then having to get a real job, then you can go fuck yourself. I say milk it for everything its worth while you are on top and get whatever the hell you can. I love music, especially rap, but I want the mansion, I want 50 cars, I want bitches every time I turn around, the endless bottles of Cristal, the pounds of chron, butlers, etc. You dont get that by not selling out. "Selling out" is a phrase used so often anyway that its lost its meaning. Just because you like material goods and money shouldnt detract from the way others judge your performance. Elvis Presley is an example of excess. He used to give new Cadillacs to complete strangers and do all types of crazy shit. Do people call him a sell out? Most wouldnt. But if you're going by the definition you used to describe the Big Tymers, then he was definitely one.
QUOTE]Originally posted by BeefyBull
The Big Tymers are indeed talented. In their own way, yes. Even they admit that their lyrics arent the best, "we dont rap, we game spit, boy understand that". But you cant deny the fact that Mannie Fresh is one of the best rap producers of all-time. Right there with Dr. Dre and RZA. It seems this day, if you do lay down beats that are appreciated by all (from thugs to girls) and a somewhat catchy hook (wheres Nate Dogg?), the rest of the rap song just has to rhyme to be a commercial success. However, when you listen to the Big Tymers, they really do say some funny, outlandish shit. I've heard shit from them that has made me laugh out loud. "Henne & X" - B.G. feat. Big Tymers is HILARIOUS. Throw in tracks like: "#1 Stunna", "Get Your Roll On", "We Hustle", "Thats Sharp", "No, No", "10 Wayz", etc. and youll see how talented they are as performers in general...
As for the "selling out", I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but regardless, who wouldnt? I myself rap and I guarantee that I'll do anything and everything short of having an action figure (and maybe even that) to get money with my fame (when I'm famous). If your idea of success is being an underground legend, moving 1000-15000 albums a year, performing until your 40 then having to get a real job, then you can go fuck yourself. I say milk it for everything its worth while you are on top and get whatever the hell you can. I love music, especially rap, but I want the mansion, I want 50 cars, I want bitches every time I turn around, the endless bottles of Cristal, the pounds of chron, butlers, etc. You dont get that by not selling out. "Selling out" is a phrase used so often anyway that its lost its meaning. Just because you like material goods and money shouldnt detract from the way others judge your performance. Elvis Presley is an example of excess. He used to give new Cadillacs to complete strangers and do all types of crazy shit. Do people call him a sell out? Most wouldnt. But if you're going by the definition you used to describe the Big Tymers, then he was definitely one. [/QUOTE]
What I mean by selling out is the MAJORITY of what they talk about in thier rymes is Money, cars,and material things with no real meaning and depth to it. They say what they say in their music because it sells. I got no problem with a person getting paid 8 figures, and buying the finest of everything in life from cars, to the flyest clothes,and giving away new Cadillacs. I myself would mind being that rich. But that's all they ever talk about in they music, then they sold out. A lot of what I hear in Hip-Hop now is "Bling Bling, my car, my watch, my bank roll stretch farther than the pacific ocean, the bitches, the hoes,the Cris". Talk about something else!
I agree with you about Manny. He drop some hot beats, but the lyrics is all about the same shit. I guarentee U Outkast is living as well as, or better than the Big Tymers. And at they same time, they got that lifestyle by being innovative, and taking risks. "Bombs Over Baghdag'' was the weirdest, most different,craziest fuckin song hip-hop ever heard,yet they album went 3x platinum. I'm just saying some people in hip hop need to expand the horizons with they music, and write it from the heart, an for the art,an not just cause it make your bank roll start. A lot of rappers are abusing the game.
The Big Tymers are indeed talented. In their own way, yes. Even they admit that their lyrics arent the best, "we dont rap, we game spit, boy understand that". But you cant deny the fact that Mannie Fresh is one of the best rap producers of all-time. Right there with Dr. Dre and RZA. It seems this day, if you do lay down beats that are appreciated by all (from thugs to girls) and a somewhat catchy hook (wheres Nate Dogg?), the rest of the rap song just has to rhyme to be a commercial success. However, when you listen to the Big Tymers, they really do say some funny, outlandish shit. I've heard shit from them that has made me laugh out loud. "Henne & X" - B.G. feat. Big Tymers is HILARIOUS. Throw in tracks like: "#1 Stunna", "Get Your Roll On", "We Hustle", "Thats Sharp", "No, No", "10 Wayz", etc. and youll see how talented they are as performers in general...
As for the "selling out", I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but regardless, who wouldnt? I myself rap and I guarantee that I'll do anything and everything short of having an action figure (and maybe even that) to get money with my fame (when I'm famous). If your idea of success is being an underground legend, moving 1000-15000 albums a year, performing until your 40 then having to get a real job, then you can go fuck yourself. I say milk it for everything its worth while you are on top and get whatever the hell you can. I love music, especially rap, but I want the mansion, I want 50 cars, I want bitches every time I turn around, the endless bottles of Cristal, the pounds of chron, butlers, etc. You dont get that by not selling out. "Selling out" is a phrase used so often anyway that its lost its meaning. Just because you like material goods and money shouldnt detract from the way others judge your performance. Elvis Presley is an example of excess. He used to give new Cadillacs to complete strangers and do all types of crazy shit. Do people call him a sell out? Most wouldnt. But if you're going by the definition you used to describe the Big Tymers, then he was definitely one. [/QUOTE]
What I mean by selling out is the MAJORITY of what they talk about in thier rymes is Money, cars,and material things with no real meaning and depth to it. They say what they say in their music because it sells. I got no problem with a person getting paid 8 figures, and buying the finest of everything in life from cars, to the flyest clothes,and giving away new Cadillacs. I myself would mind being that rich. But that's all they ever talk about in they music, then they sold out. A lot of what I hear in Hip-Hop now is "Bling Bling, my car, my watch, my bank roll stretch farther than the pacific ocean, the bitches, the hoes,the Cris". Talk about something else!
I agree with you about Manny. He drop some hot beats, but the lyrics is all about the same shit. I guarentee U Outkast is living as well as, or better than the Big Tymers. And at they same time, they got that lifestyle by being innovative, and taking risks. "Bombs Over Baghdag'' was the weirdest, most different,craziest fuckin song hip-hop ever heard,yet they album went 3x platinum. I'm just saying some people in hip hop need to expand the horizons with they music, and write it from the heart, an for the art,an not just cause it make your bank roll start. A lot of rappers are abusing the game.
lilperronis
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if you think about it ,,,it is a matter of choice and what u like
bigAragorn
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i gotta go with Outkast circa Aquemini.....
when Big Boi unleashed the retro cut West Savannah...man that was smooth
"February 1st 1975 it happened
was born in west savannah before i started rappin,
my momma had a nigga at the age of fifteen
my daddy was selling that sack now he's got responsibilty......"
when Big Boi unleashed the retro cut West Savannah...man that was smooth
"February 1st 1975 it happened
was born in west savannah before i started rappin,
my momma had a nigga at the age of fifteen
my daddy was selling that sack now he's got responsibilty......"
DirtyDogman
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I really DO NOT like Eminem AT ALL. I think it some bulllllllllllllllshit, I don't like his music flat out. BUT he can rap and when it comes to lyrics he is talented, one of the top out there. I just don't like it, it is not my style. Not my style at all, but he has major talen, majpr talent.
Now on to 2pac. One of the best. 2pac is one of those cats that became what they always wanted to be, instead of what they were to begin with. He was workin fast and puttin the albums out fast because he had to put out I think either 3 or 5 records with death row before he would be finished. Suge Knight got him out of jail on that condition, and that is why he was workin so fast so he could be finished with death row and move on. 2pac never wanted to work with Death Row. Interscope tried to pawn 2pac off on death row so they could get more slack from the public and let death row take it, but 2pac didn't want any of it. He only went to death row when he was in prison and suge knifght was his only way out.
Puff Daddy - sheeeeit. I think suge knight said it best when he said "How are you going to get punked by a man in a wheel chair
DMX- another faker, with that curr ass dog tatted on his back. Man I saw this cat on some mtv making the video special show where he was makin a video and he was running around actin like a bitch downing his heinekins. He had some woman following him around to comfort his ass. He was pretty much an alcoholic going through pussy little modd swings and bitching about silly girl shit. I thought he was going to break down and cry over the "stress". Don't even get me started on the whole "dog fighter" image. I mean what the fuck, this fool came out on the god damn "oh drama" BET gossip program for ho's and was trying to spit out hints and clues saying shit like bloodlines and grand champions. What the hell.... this fool is trying to hint to bunch of fuckin WOMEN that he bangs dogs. He might have some good dogs, but he even close to bein a real dogman, he just some cat with money who can buy good dogs and likes to talk about it.
now I like alot of shit comin out of houston texas. The screw music, started by the late DJ screw who started the style in houston with his mix tapes. Screwed and chopped, slowed and throwed. Its going to be the next big thing in the rap industry. Folks are already breakin through from Big Moe to Lil Flip, South Park Mexican etc etc the movement has started and its goin to spread. It is popular throughout oklahoma,texas,louisiana, startin to pick up in alabama, arkansas and kansas. Once it spreads it gets into the local underground the next thing you know everybody is listening to it. It is one of the biggest underground rap movements and its spreadin like wildfire.
I don't know about the best, but one of the top freestylists has to be Lil flip. This cat can go and go. I'm also a big fan of Pall Wall & the Chamillion. Big Pokey, Archie Lee, scarface. Lots of good shit I could go on and on. I am sure most of you don't even know who they are, but check out the rap comin out of houston. I like SPM's rap alot but what can I say..... he is now doin over 50 years for molestin the kiddies now, and I got no sympathy for him, cause he was obviously one sick n twisted dimented mother fucker. All that money, and he still wanted to fuck children and underage groupies like R Kelly. Fuck him.
Also the beats are almost more important than the lyrics and the artists. I mean come on.... some of the biggest hits are completely bullshit when it comes to the lyrics and the artists. What it ammounts to is the voice just bein an extra sound to the music where folks don't even give a fuck whats bein said they just groovin and movin. Thats what makes Dr Dre one of the best, cause he is the best if not one of the best producers in the rap game.
Other favorites of mine are dj quick, nate dogg, too short, playa hamm, eazy e, warren g, ice cube, snoop,, shit there is too many to even list. Probably my all time favorite cd is UGK Ridin Dirty. Got to be one of the best ever put out, I can listen to every track on the cd without skippin over anything.
Now on to 2pac. One of the best. 2pac is one of those cats that became what they always wanted to be, instead of what they were to begin with. He was workin fast and puttin the albums out fast because he had to put out I think either 3 or 5 records with death row before he would be finished. Suge Knight got him out of jail on that condition, and that is why he was workin so fast so he could be finished with death row and move on. 2pac never wanted to work with Death Row. Interscope tried to pawn 2pac off on death row so they could get more slack from the public and let death row take it, but 2pac didn't want any of it. He only went to death row when he was in prison and suge knifght was his only way out.
Puff Daddy - sheeeeit. I think suge knight said it best when he said "How are you going to get punked by a man in a wheel chair
DMX- another faker, with that curr ass dog tatted on his back. Man I saw this cat on some mtv making the video special show where he was makin a video and he was running around actin like a bitch downing his heinekins. He had some woman following him around to comfort his ass. He was pretty much an alcoholic going through pussy little modd swings and bitching about silly girl shit. I thought he was going to break down and cry over the "stress". Don't even get me started on the whole "dog fighter" image. I mean what the fuck, this fool came out on the god damn "oh drama" BET gossip program for ho's and was trying to spit out hints and clues saying shit like bloodlines and grand champions. What the hell.... this fool is trying to hint to bunch of fuckin WOMEN that he bangs dogs. He might have some good dogs, but he even close to bein a real dogman, he just some cat with money who can buy good dogs and likes to talk about it.
now I like alot of shit comin out of houston texas. The screw music, started by the late DJ screw who started the style in houston with his mix tapes. Screwed and chopped, slowed and throwed. Its going to be the next big thing in the rap industry. Folks are already breakin through from Big Moe to Lil Flip, South Park Mexican etc etc the movement has started and its goin to spread. It is popular throughout oklahoma,texas,louisiana, startin to pick up in alabama, arkansas and kansas. Once it spreads it gets into the local underground the next thing you know everybody is listening to it. It is one of the biggest underground rap movements and its spreadin like wildfire.
I don't know about the best, but one of the top freestylists has to be Lil flip. This cat can go and go. I'm also a big fan of Pall Wall & the Chamillion. Big Pokey, Archie Lee, scarface. Lots of good shit I could go on and on. I am sure most of you don't even know who they are, but check out the rap comin out of houston. I like SPM's rap alot but what can I say..... he is now doin over 50 years for molestin the kiddies now, and I got no sympathy for him, cause he was obviously one sick n twisted dimented mother fucker. All that money, and he still wanted to fuck children and underage groupies like R Kelly. Fuck him.
Also the beats are almost more important than the lyrics and the artists. I mean come on.... some of the biggest hits are completely bullshit when it comes to the lyrics and the artists. What it ammounts to is the voice just bein an extra sound to the music where folks don't even give a fuck whats bein said they just groovin and movin. Thats what makes Dr Dre one of the best, cause he is the best if not one of the best producers in the rap game.
Other favorites of mine are dj quick, nate dogg, too short, playa hamm, eazy e, warren g, ice cube, snoop,, shit there is too many to even list. Probably my all time favorite cd is UGK Ridin Dirty. Got to be one of the best ever put out, I can listen to every track on the cd without skippin over anything.
drveejay11
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2Pac, DMX... just my two cents
Mysterio
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DirtyDogman said:
DMX- another faker, with that curr ass dog tatted on his back. Man I saw this cat on some mtv making the video special show where he was makin a video and he was running around actin like a bitch downing his heinekins. He had some woman following him around to comfort his ass. He was pretty much an alcoholic going through pussy little modd swings and bitching about silly girl shit. I thought he was going to break down and cry over the "stress". Don't even get me started on the whole "dog fighter" image. I mean what the fuck, this fool came out on the god damn "oh drama" BET gossip program for ho's and was trying to spit out hints and clues saying shit like bloodlines and grand champions. What the hell.... this fool is trying to hint to bunch of fuckin WOMEN that he bangs dogs. He might have some good dogs, but he even close to bein a real dogman, he just some cat with money who can buy good dogs and likes to talk about it.
Not to mention he got punked hard by Kurupt.
now I like alot of shit comin out of houston texas. The screw music, started by the late DJ screw who started the style in houston with his mix tapes. Screwed and chopped, slowed and throwed. Its going to be the next big thing in the rap industry. Folks are already breakin through from Big Moe to Lil Flip, South Park Mexican etc etc the movement has started and its goin to spread. It is popular throughout oklahoma,texas,louisiana, startin to pick up in alabama, arkansas and kansas. Once it spreads it gets into the local underground the next thing you know everybody is listening to it. It is one of the biggest underground rap movements and its spreadin like wildfire.
I don't know about the best, but one of the top freestylists has to be Lil flip. This cat can go and go. I'm also a big fan of Pall Wall & the Chamillion. Big Pokey, Archie Lee, scarface. Lots of good shit I could go on and on. I am sure most of you don't even know who they are, but check out the rap comin out of houston. I like SPM's rap alot but what can I say..... he is now doin over 50 years for molestin the kiddies now, and I got no sympathy for him, cause he was obviously one sick n twisted dimented mother fucker. All that money, and he still wanted to fuck children and underage groupies like R Kelly. Fuck him.
Yeah, I like some southren rap like SPM and the Big Tymers. Hey DirtyDogman do you know who NBK is?
Also the beats are almost more important than the lyrics and the artists. I mean come on.... some of the biggest hits are completely bullshit when it comes to the lyrics and the artists. What it ammounts to is the voice just bein an extra sound to the music where folks don't even give a fuck whats bein said they just groovin and movin. Thats what makes Dr Dre one of the best, cause he is the best if not one of the best producers in the rap game.
Other favorites of mine are dj quick, nate dogg, too short, playa hamm, eazy e, warren g, ice cube, snoop,, shit there is too many to even list. Probably my all time favorite cd is UGK Ridin Dirty. Got to be one of the best ever put out, I can listen to every track on the cd without skippin over anything.
Right on it's about someone here brought up some westcoast rappers like Too Short who made great rap albums.
east coast rap !!!!!!!!
you people don,t no shit about rap. the real rap is freestyle rap and that started out in nyc. i still say big daddy kane is the king he,ll dis and put anyone to shame because that's what rap was all about in the old days it's about battling not this comercial bull shit we hear today. so go back and do your homework
you people don,t no shit about rap. the real rap is freestyle rap and that started out in nyc. i still say big daddy kane is the king he,ll dis and put anyone to shame because that's what rap was all about in the old days it's about battling not this comercial bull shit we hear today. so go back and do your homework
Welsh power house
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Big daddy kane was awesome......
Why is it that all you people seem to be comparing the all time greats with some freak who has had 1 or 2 albums out..
Sure eminem, DMX and a few other late 90's stars can rap but as far as being the best of all time......pleazzzzzee!!!!
Come back when you know what the fuck you are talking about. go listen to the music that made them........listen to some earlier shit too.......
Im not saying they r bad, far from it, but listen to some classics like old skool snoop and dre (the first cronic album, doggystyle), Ice-t (original gangster-one of the best albums ever!), public enemey(any album...apart from he got game!), eric b & rakim, de la soul (3 feet high & rising),Easy-E(straight off the streeets...), Bone thugs 'n' harmony (E.1999 eternal) das efx (hold it down), house of pain (fine malt lyrics), LL cool J, NWA( straight outta compton), some of jazzy jeff & the fresh prince's old stuff (summertime was a classic!), KRS 1, busta rhymes, Ice cube (the predator, leathal injection), WC (the shadiest one), mack 10, RUN DMC, Coolio, the fugees (the score was a musical master piece).
Also some newer guys have some good shit to hear
Xibit (at the speed of light), DMX, M.O.P, Ja rule on j-lo's album is funky, Fat joe.......hopefully some more soon....
Why is it that all you people seem to be comparing the all time greats with some freak who has had 1 or 2 albums out..
Sure eminem, DMX and a few other late 90's stars can rap but as far as being the best of all time......pleazzzzzee!!!!
Come back when you know what the fuck you are talking about. go listen to the music that made them........listen to some earlier shit too.......
Im not saying they r bad, far from it, but listen to some classics like old skool snoop and dre (the first cronic album, doggystyle), Ice-t (original gangster-one of the best albums ever!), public enemey(any album...apart from he got game!), eric b & rakim, de la soul (3 feet high & rising),Easy-E(straight off the streeets...), Bone thugs 'n' harmony (E.1999 eternal) das efx (hold it down), house of pain (fine malt lyrics), LL cool J, NWA( straight outta compton), some of jazzy jeff & the fresh prince's old stuff (summertime was a classic!), KRS 1, busta rhymes, Ice cube (the predator, leathal injection), WC (the shadiest one), mack 10, RUN DMC, Coolio, the fugees (the score was a musical master piece).
Also some newer guys have some good shit to hear
Xibit (at the speed of light), DMX, M.O.P, Ja rule on j-lo's album is funky, Fat joe.......hopefully some more soon....
bestoldschool
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I agree with Rakim and Big Daddy Kane, but in this 5 page thread I didn't see the name of T.LA Rock!!
He's on the same level as Rakim and BDK to me!!
Dissin people without cursing, try to find that these days!
I'm still diggin the oldschool tunes!
The happy rhyming like: Stezo, King Sun, Tuff crew, Stetsasonic, JVC Crew, MC Lyte, Monie Love, some of Roxanne Shante's stuff, Boogie Down Productions, happy tunes from Cashmoney and Marvelous, Mantronik(x) who was instrumental in the starting shoes of swingbeat and new jack swing along with Teddy Riley, Cool C, Steady B, Ice T ("Reckless" was the bomb!!), Kwame, Qtip in his old days indeed etc etc
He's on the same level as Rakim and BDK to me!!
Dissin people without cursing, try to find that these days!
I'm still diggin the oldschool tunes!
The happy rhyming like: Stezo, King Sun, Tuff crew, Stetsasonic, JVC Crew, MC Lyte, Monie Love, some of Roxanne Shante's stuff, Boogie Down Productions, happy tunes from Cashmoney and Marvelous, Mantronik(x) who was instrumental in the starting shoes of swingbeat and new jack swing along with Teddy Riley, Cool C, Steady B, Ice T ("Reckless" was the bomb!!), Kwame, Qtip in his old days indeed etc etc
MaGilicuti
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no Jay Z, Nas or Biggy on the list???
free style would have to be NAS. Not alive would be Biggie
