Benoit Autopsy Report

[AAP]

The press conference has concluded and the results are in for the Benoit family toxicology reports. Georgia Chief Medical Examiner Kriss Sperry gave the details. First, a few hilights:

- All 3 of them had the anti-anxiety drug Xanex in their system . It was concluded that Deniel Benoit was sedated by the drug before his death.

- There were NO anabolic steroids found in Chris Benoit. He had elevated testosterone levels but that could be a result of many things. There was NO ROID RAGE.

Here is the full breakdown of the press conference and the toxicology findings:

Nancy Benoit had 3 different drugs in her system at the time of death. Hydrocodone (also known as Mortab, Morset) were found at 120 micrograms per liter. Hydromorphone, directly from the breakdown of the Hydrocodone, was also found. Finally, the anti-anxiety drug Xanex wss present at 23 micrograms per liter. All 3 drugs were found at the theraputic level - not toxic levels. Her blood alcohol level was 0.184.

Daniel Benoit's blood tested positive for Xanex at 100 micrograms per liter, which is an elevated. What is interesting about this fact is that the drug Xanex was not prescribed to Daniel and is typically not prescribed to children. Based upon this finding, it is their opinion that Daniel was sedated by Xanex at the time of his murder.

Chris Benoit tested positive for Xanex at 50 micrograms per liter. He also tested positive for Hydrocodone at 45 micrograms per liter. Both of these drugs were within the therapeutic range and not toxic.

As far as steroids ..... Chris Benoit's urine tested positive for the "steroid" testosterone at 207 micrograms per liter. The elevated level of testosterone his urine were the ONLY "steroids" present in Chris Benoit. No anabolic steroids were found.

Testosterone is found in everyone - in much higher levels in men than women. The medical examiner concluded that there is no way of telling whether Benoit's elevated testosterone was a result of recent steroid use. He called it a "mystery" - but said that Benoit may have been treated for a testosterone deficiency - a side effect of past steroid abuse.

The drug GHB was not found in any 3 of the individuals.

There is NO indication that ANYTHING found in Chris Benoit's system directly contributed to his violent behavior that weekend. THERE WAS NO ROID RAGE.

The drugs found in all 3 bodies were at therapeutic - NOT toxic levels. The medical examiner also said that the decomposition of the bodies may have affected the level of alcohol in Nancy's body.

 

[the_clockwork]

I read there were aas in his body

 

[jnevin]

Fuggin' juicers.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Sweet

 

[all the whey]

He was on test for HRT. So, that would explain elevated levels. (eventhough he was prescribed a lot more than average)

I would have guessed more pain pills and anti depressants.

 

[swole]

the medical examiner is most definitely a juicer who chose not to rat

i'd buy him a beer

 

[FISHTALES]

I read there were anabolic androgenic steroids in his body

http://www.foxnews.com/

 

[heatherrae]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

 

[jnevin]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

Test levels where they were wouldn't cause "roid rage". The only one I ever felt different on was tren. Test is almost calming.

 

[heatherrae]

He gave the little boy xanax. That is so sad.

 

[Faizakafez]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

nope only oral steriods that can be removed with 24 hours or so thats with some cleansing...


testerone doesnt not cause roid rage its causes stiffy rage... as u have seen first hand.. lol


roid rage is myth there is no evidience that you become this wild beast when on steriods.. immature assholes use it as an excuse to be more asshole like becasue they are 'roid raging'

 

[H_T_]

i bleed anabolic steroids...

 

[DannoMight]

I bet the mother was doping the kid. Fuggin drunk ass junkie bitch.

 

[avidinternet]

I bet the mother was doping the kid. Fuggin drunk ass junkie bitch.

Danno, sup....You getting nervous yet?

 

[jd_uk]

lol @ Benoit not being on steroids. He was built like a tank and looked like he wanted to tear his opponent apart with his teeth.

Also, it seems common sense to me that 'roid rage' is just a term for aggression as a result of high testosterone levels. Testosterone is what causes men to be more agressive than women, the more testosterone you have, the more aggressive you are liekly to be. Therefore it's very possible that Benoit's higher than normal test levels played 'a part' in the killings.

 

[Raptorex]

I got hem-roid rage right now.

 

[DannoMight]

Danno, sup....You getting nervous yet?

a little I just got in from work so we now have to go to the court house and get the marraige lisence. I'm kinda nervous/excited but will be relived when its all said and done.

 

[Faizakafez]

lol @ Benoit not being on steroids. He was built like a tank and looked like he wanted to tear his opponent apart with his teeth.

Also, it seems common sense to me that 'roid rage' is just a term for aggression as a result of high testosterone levels. Testosterone is what causes men to be more agressive than women, the more testosterone you have, the more aggressive you are liekly to be. Therefore it's very possible that Benoit's higher than normal test levels played 'a part' in the killings.

no there is no correlation there is only causaul relations between though. casual realations mean nothing.

some studies have found that it is not testosterone level that is the best predictor of aggression, but that obesity and lower levels of "good" cholesterol tend to be the best predictors of aggressive behavior in human males. (3)

3)DeNoon, Daniel. Don't Blame Testosterone for Aggression: Angry, Hostile Men Don't Have Extra Sex Hormone. WebMD Medical News, November 11, 2003. A newspaper article reporting on recent findings that Testosterone might not be the most important factor in aggression.


when a hormone such as testosterone acts on a target neuron, the amount of neurotransmitter that is release is significantly affected. For example, it has been suggested (i.e., with experimental data) that testosterone acts on serotonergic synapses and lowers the amount of 5-HT available for synaptic transmission. This is important when coupled with the fairly well accepted idea that the presence of 5-HT serves to inhibit aggression, as shown convincingly in studies done on male rhesus monkeys: Serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as Fluoxentine and several other antidepressants lead to a significant decrease in aggression in both monkeys and humans (2).

2) Simpson, Katherine. The Role of Testosterone in Aggression. McGill Journal of Medicine, 2001. A thorough biological examination of aggression and the role that hormones play in facilitating/inhibiting aggressive behaviors. Many studies sited, comprehensible graphs presented. As found from the website: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/mjm/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pdf

 

[gotmilk]

He gave the little boy xanax.

He gave him the crossface crippler.....which is much worse than the xanax

 

[AAP]

He gave him the crossface crippler.....which is much worse than the xanax

For real.

I wonder if before he locked it in... he did the thumb across the throat gesture and blew his nose on the kid like he did his opponents in the ring.

 

[heatherrae]

lol @ Benoit not being on steroids. He was built like a tank and looked like he wanted to tear his opponent apart with his teeth.

Also, it seems common sense to me that 'roid rage' is just a term for aggression as a result of high testosterone levels. Testosterone is what causes men to be more agressive than women, the more testosterone you have, the more aggressive you are liekly to be. Therefore it's very possible that Benoit's higher than normal test levels played 'a part' in the killings.

That is what I always thought. I'm sure lots of juicer deny the effect, but I bet it does at least affect the amount of aggression. That doesn't mean everyone flips out and hurts someone, but surely testosterone is related to libido and aggression in males.

I'm not saying that Benoit killed everyone because of that. I'm just saying that it is possible that it was a contributing factor. Let's face it, only a NUT kills his family like that, steroids or not.

 

[jd_uk]

no there is no correlation there is only causaul relations between though. casual realations mean nothing.

some studies have found that it is not testosterone level that is the best predictor of aggression, but that obesity and lower levels of "good" cholesterol tend to be the best predictors of aggressive behavior in human males. (3)

3)DeNoon, Daniel. Don't Blame Testosterone for Aggression: Angry, Hostile Men Don't Have Extra Sex Hormone. WebMD Medical News, November 11, 2003. A newspaper article reporting on recent findings that Testosterone might not be the most important factor in aggression.


when a hormone such as testosterone acts on a target neuron, the amount of neurotransmitter that is release is significantly affected. For example, it has been suggested (i.e., with experimental data) that testosterone acts on serotonergic synapses and lowers the amount of 5-HT available for synaptic transmission. This is important when coupled with the fairly well accepted idea that the presence of 5-HT serves to inhibit aggression, as shown convincingly in studies done on male rhesus monkeys: Serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as Fluoxentine and several other antidepressants lead to a significant decrease in aggression in both monkeys and humans (2).

2) Simpson, Katherine. The Role of Testosterone in Aggression. McGill Journal of Medicine, 2001. A thorough biological examination of aggression and the role that hormones play in facilitating/inhibiting aggressive behaviors. Many studies sited, comprehensible graphs presented. As found from the website: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/mjm/v06n01/v06p032/v06p032.pdf

I've read both sides of the argument and to me i can only really go on what i know personally. To me, it is common sense and very obvious that testosterone makes a person more aggressive. I'm not necessarily talking more violent because that can be controlled and is psychological but testosterone is what makes a man sexually agressive (this IS fact) and also stronger and more physically able...you can't be very aggressive when you have low testosterone and are tired all the time. I don't believe that is really possible. Try doing some things which have been shown to raise testosterone naturally...they'll make you feel agressive. Personally, if i don't have sex for even a day i could knock holes in the nearest wall.

Old men will rarely have the same level of aggression as a younger man because of the hormones difference. Just like women will have more of a 'slow burn' aggression (which has to build up before they lose control) than men.

 

[jd_uk]

That is what I always thought. I'm sure lots of juicer deny the effect, but I bet it does at least affect the amount of aggression. That doesn't mean everyone flips out and hurts someone, but surely testosterone is related to libido and aggression in males.

I'm not saying that Benoit killed everyone because of that. I'm just saying that it is possible that it was a contributing factor. Let's face it, only a NUT kills his family like that, steroids or not.

Yep. Agreed on all points.

 

[Faizakafez]

it comes down to maturaity with that comment about punching holes in the wall makes me scratch my head. just curious have you used aas before?

im 21 and have run a trenbolone twice both at doses i wont disclose 'the most evil steriod there is' ... im an angry person but i never once had this 'so called' roid rage

 

[avidinternet]

a little I just got in from work so we now have to go to the court house and get the marraige lisence. I'm kinda nervous/excited but will be relived when its all said and done.

Check your K

 

[gotmilk]

For real.

I wonder if before he locked it in... he did the thumb across the throat gesture and blew his nose on the kid like he did his opponents in the ring.

You realize you're going to hell for soooooo many reasons, including that post.

maybe he slammed him a few times with some rolling German Suplexes but the kid kept getting up........

 

[NickyE3]

Fuck Fox News


-From CNN

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Investigators found testosterone, painkillers and anti-anxiety drugs in the body of professional wrestler Chris Benoit, who killed his wife and son last month before hanging himself in his Atlanta home, a medical examiner said Tuesday.


Investigators found steroids in the body of pro wrestler Chris Benoit, who killed his family in June.

Dr. Kris Sperry, Georgia's chief medical examiner, said the body of Benoit's wife, Nancy, also contained painkillers and anti-anxiety drugs.

Sperry said it's likely the Benoits' 7-year-old son, Daniel, was sedated at the time he was murdered, because a high level of the anti-anxiety drug Xanax was found in the boy's system.

Xanax is not normally prescribed for children, Sperry said.

Chris Benoit's body contained an "elevated" level of testosterone and therapeutic levels of Xanax and the painkiller hydrocodone, Sperry said.

But, he said, the level of testosterone revealed nothing conclusive about the wrestler's state of mind before his death.

"There's no reliable scientific data that says elevated levels of testosterone lead to psychotic rage," Sperry said.

"The only thing we can ascertain is that this level of testosterone indicates that he had been using testosterone at least in some reasonably short period of time before he died," he said. "It could be an indication he was being treated for testicular insufficiency."

The investigators found no other drugs, including steroids, in Benoit's body.

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The investigation into the Benoits' deaths led to speculation that the wrestler may have been injecting steroids and had experienced what is called " 'roid rage," leading him to kill his wife and son.

An official who is part of the investigation told CNN last month that Benoit's name was on receipts that indicated he had purchased shipments of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from Signature Pharmacy.

The Orlando, Florida, facility is at the center of a nationwide investigation into the sale of illegal steroids.

Phil Astin, Benoit's personal doctor, has been indicted by a grand jury on seven charges of improperly dispensing and distributing painkillers and other drugs. Astin has been released on $125,000 bond and is under house arrest.

Although Benoit's name was not mentioned in Astin's indictment, his arrest stemmed from the investigation into the Benoits' deaths.

"Through prescription records for Mr. Benoit maintained at a pharmacy in Fayetteville, Georgia, Dr. Astin was identified as prescribing, on average, a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids to Mr. Benoit every three to four weeks from May 4, 2006, through May 9, 2007," the U.S. attorney's office said.

Sperry said the body of Nancy Benoit also contained therapeutic levels of hydrocodone and Xanax, along with hydromorphone, which he said is a byproduct of the breakdown of hydrocodone.

Nancy Benoit's blood alcohol level was .184, which is over the legal limit for intoxication, but Sperry said all of the alcohol found in her body "could come from the decomposition process."

Sperry said investigators did not have enough specimen to test for steroids or human growth hormone in Daniel's body. Daniel's body showed signs of needle marks at the time of his death, but Sperry could not speculate why.

District Attorney Scott Ballard would not answer questions about the state of the investigation into the Benoits' deaths, which he said is ongoing.

"We'd rather wait until we have more of the pieces so we can be more accurate and discuss more of a whole what happened," he said. "We're trying to envision as best we can what happened inside that household. This (the toxicology report) adds one element to all the other elements."

Police have said Benoit, 40, strangled his wife, Nancy, and suffocated Daniel, then placed Bibles next to their bodies before hanging himself on a portable weight machine over the weekend of June 23.

 

[alien amp pharm]

puhleeeease.

I am all for roids and our freedom to use them (if we had that freedom)

but to say they don't cause aggression and rage is simply false. It's simply up to the individual using them to controll that aggression.

 

[puddlemonkey]

puhleeeease.

I am all for steroids and our freedom to use them (if we had that freedom)

but to say they don't cause aggression and rage is simply false. It's simply up to the individual using them to controll that aggression.

Simmer down roid rookie, no need to raise your voice.

 

[redsamurai]

roids alone "CAN NEVER AND WILL NEVER" cause someone to off their whole family............in the way that benoit did it, he'd been thinkin about it for some time........is it possible that some elevated testosterone level finally made him snap and pull the trigger on his plan?? maybe.........but it was a matter of time anyway. How many psycho's have we seen in this country off their whole family? happens every couple of years...........how about the bitch that locked her kids in the car and then rolled it off into a lake...........roid rage??

 

[Sub-Zero]

the medical examiner is most definitely a juicer who chose not to rat

i'd buy him a beer

lol fuck yes

 

[wootoom]

Chris Benoit died?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

roid rage is a myth.

stress can cause rage too, but if someone is stressed out and beats the fuck out of their wife its not going in the news as "stress rage"

 

[alien amp pharm]

Simmer down roid rookie, no need to raise your voice.

If I was on the sauce right now I'd be doing more than simply sitting here typing in an aggressive manner like I am right now.

 

[Tweakle]

LOL, who the hell has 'roid rage' outside of fat highschool kids pilled up on too much spring-break Dboll?

people must have serious personality or maturity issues if they can't use A-a-s without feeling like 'raging'

 

[wootoom]

I honestly never knew died

 

[gjohnson5]

From what I understand there is no test for superdrol and it has no metabolites. But yes it is an oral.

Anyway foxnews sensationalized this whole thing

nope only oral steriods that can be removed with 24 hours or so thats with some cleansing...


testerone doesnt not cause roid rage its causes stiffy rage... as u have seen first hand.. lol


roid rage is myth there is no evidience that you become this wild beast when on steriods.. immature assholes use it as an excuse to be more asshole like becasue they are 'roid raging'

 

[DannoMight]

steroids alone "CAN NEVER AND WILL NEVER" cause someone to off their whole family............in the way that benoit did it, he'd been thinkin about it for some time........is it possible that some elevated testosterone level finally made him snap and pull the trigger on his plan?? maybe.........but it was a matter of time anyway. How many psycho's have we seen in this country off their whole family? happens every couple of years...........how about the bitch that locked her kids in the car and then rolled it off into a lake...........roid rage??

Or the bitch who drown her 5 kids in the bathtub.... oh wait it was ok because she was suffering from postpardum depression.

 

[gjohnson5]

Which would seem to indicate the murders were pre-meditated

He gave the little boy xanax. That is so sad.

 

[javaguru]

That is what I always thought. I'm sure lots of juicer deny the effect, but I bet it does at least affect the amount of aggression. That doesn't mean everyone flips out and hurts someone, but surely testosterone is related to libido and aggression in males.

I'm not saying that Benoit killed everyone because of that. I'm just saying that it is possible that it was a contributing factor. Let's face it, only a NUT kills his family like that, steroids or not.

The data on testosterone and aggression comes primarily from rat data....a flawed model for predicting human behavior.

How about caffeine rage????
A regular drip venti Starbucks coffee has 480mg of caffeine. According to this study 455mg of caffeine is enough to increase aggressiveness in a 200 pound male(5mg/kg).

Psychol Rep. 2000 Jun;86(3 Pt 1):941-6. Related Articles, Links


Effects of low doses of caffeine on aggressive behavior of male rats.

Wilson JF, Nugent NR, Baltes JE, Tokunaga S, Canic T, Young BW, Bellinger ER, Delac DT, Golston GA, Hendershot DM.

Psychology Department, Wittenberg University, Springfield, OH 45501, USA. [email protected]

To date, the effect of low doses of caffeine on aggression has not been systematically examined. Doses of caffeine greater than 30 mg/kg appear to reduce social interaction and aggression in all species studied. In a double blind study of the effects of low doses of caffeine on aggression, rats were housed four per cage, and aggressive behavior against an intruder was recorded during baseline and following administration of 2.5, 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine. Aggressive behavior was significantly increased following administration of the higher doses of caffeine. Doses of 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine all were effective in increasing pushing behavior, whereas doses of 5 and 10 mg/kg were most effective in increasing boxing behavior, and a dose of 10 mg/kg was significantly more effective than other doses in increasing chasing and roll-tumble-bite behaviors. Based on these results and other published reports, the inverted-U shaped dose-dependent effect of caffeine on aggression appears to apply, with aggressive behavior being most elevated following doses of 5-20 mg/kg caffeine, less elevated following 2.5 mg/kg or 30 mg/kg, and significantly reduced with doses above 40 mg/kg and at doses below 2.5 mg/kg.

 

[jd_uk]

The data on testosterone and aggression comes primarily from rat data....a flawed model for predicting human behavior.

Some things are to obvious for 'data' to be needed. The link between test and aggression is one of those cases.

 

[gjohnson5]

I would argue with that statement and say progesterone has a greater effect on rage in humans then testosterone

I don't agree that elevated testosterone means elevated aggression

Some things are to obvious for 'data' to be needed. The link between test and aggression is one of those cases.

 

[jd_uk]

I would argue with that statement and say progesterone has a greater effect on rage in humans then testosterone

I don't agree that elevated testosterone means elevated aggression

You lower a persons testosterone and they will feel nowhere near as much aggression. Guarantee it.

 

[cboogsrun]

Test levels where they were wouldn't cause "roid rage". The only one I ever felt different on was trenbolone. Test is almost calming.

very well put. roid rage is from a personality disorder. lol! If your juicing to be the baddest fucker on the planet, chances are your going to freak out just to freak out. Tren has made me more easily annoyed but thats about it.

 

[NickyE3]

I don't agree that elevated testosterone means elevated aggression

i agree

i think it is the balance between estrogen and testosterone

 

[bigmann245]

think of me as you will but at one time I was on 1500mg of test a week along with 150mg of anadrol and 100mg tren eod and i never once had any excessive aggression at all. I’m kind hearted as it is so for roads to be considered the culprit in this so called "rage" to me is unfounded. i truly believe the ones who claim rage from roid use are using it as an excuse to be an ass and try and say its not really them. the other thing i believe is when a guy takes roids he becomes, if done correctly, a lot bigger than before. well in doing so most of these guys have a problem with this massive rapid change and when someone opposes them they lash back not because of the roids itself but out of defense of their size and nobody should be talking shit to them because they are big. sounds stupid but believe me I’ve seen it. i knew guys that were completely off cycle and had excellent results from roids, no sides, but as soon as someone stepped to them and challenged them yes they felt disrespected due to their size compared to the person challenging them.

as for me i still do not think I’m big. i went from 170 to 298 over a few years and now I’m down to a solid 265. its 100 lbs heavier than before but for some reason i do not feel I’m big even though people say i am. i believe it is in a persons demeanor that makes them aggressive or not. but to play it safe if you are aggressive before you use roids then you will not be able to handle getting big off of roids as it is a very rapid change and hard for some to handle.


how many people do you know were geeks in high school, went on roids and got huge, and are now a huge asshole? its not the roids its the rapid change in size and appearance.

 

[Raptorex]

honestly who cares about this scum bag...really.

 

[wootoom]

honestly who cares about this scum bag...really.

i compare him to you

 

[puddlemonkey]

honestly who cares about this scum bag...really.

I'm totally talking shit about you to the roid rookies over on the juice board.

 

[Kano]

chris killed himself cause his wife found out he was gay

 

[wootoom]

chris killed himself cause his wife found out he was gay

lol

 

[heatherrae]

The data on testosterone and aggression comes primarily from rat data....a flawed model for predicting human behavior.

How about caffeine rage????
A regular drip venti Starbucks coffee has 480mg of caffeine. According to this study 455mg of caffeine is enough to increase aggressiveness in a 200 pound male(5mg/kg).

Psychol Rep. 2000 Jun;86(3 Pt 1):941-6. Related Articles, Links


Effects of low doses of caffeine on aggressive behavior of male rats.

Wilson JF, Nugent NR, Baltes JE, Tokunaga S, Canic T, Young BW, Bellinger ER, Delac DT, Golston GA, Hendershot DM.

Psychology Department, Wittenberg University, Springfield, OH 45501, USA. [email protected]

To date, the effect of low doses of caffeine on aggression has not been systematically examined. Doses of caffeine greater than 30 mg/kg appear to reduce social interaction and aggression in all species studied. In a double blind study of the effects of low doses of caffeine on aggression, rats were housed four per cage, and aggressive behavior against an intruder was recorded during baseline and following administration of 2.5, 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine. Aggressive behavior was significantly increased following administration of the higher doses of caffeine. Doses of 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine all were effective in increasing pushing behavior, whereas doses of 5 and 10 mg/kg were most effective in increasing boxing behavior, and a dose of 10 mg/kg was significantly more effective than other doses in increasing chasing and roll-tumble-bite behaviors. Based on these results and other published reports, the inverted-U shaped dose-dependent effect of caffeine on aggression appears to apply, with aggressive behavior being most elevated following doses of 5-20 mg/kg caffeine, less elevated following 2.5 mg/kg or 30 mg/kg, and significantly reduced with doses above 40 mg/kg and at doses below 2.5 mg/kg.

We use animal testing for guaging the effects of most drugs. You want them to test it on babies or something? Plus, telling us that rat testing is flawed and then throwing in results of caffeine tests on rats is ummmmm...specious, at best.

I swear, sometimes you are ridiculously illogical despite thinking that you are the science guru.

 

[Raptorex]

pwned by mutharae

 

[javaguru]

We use animal testing for guaging the effects of most drugs. You want them to test it on babies or something? Plus, telling us that rat testing is flawed and then throwing in results of caffeine tests on rats is ummmmm...specious, at best.

I swear, sometimes you are ridiculously illogical despite thinking that you are the science guru.

As usual, my point flew over your head. Rats are relatively poor models even for physiological tests, which is their role in drug testing. We've "cured" cancer in rats numerous times. They are useless as psychological models for what I would assume are obvious reason. The abstract I posted is just showing how ridiculous it is to consider rat data "definitive." If it were, people would be flipping out and starting fist fights after their cup of Starbucks coffee. All drugs have to undergo human trials HR. Here is a study using supraphysiological doses of testosterone on human male subjects......

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study
R Tricker, R Casaburi, TW Storer, B Clevenger, N Berman, A Shirazi and S Bhasin
Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

 

[javaguru]

pwned by mutharae

Not even close.... More like attempted pwnage by confusedrae.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Not even close.... More like attempted pwnage by confusedrae.

You agnostic yet?

 

[javaguru]

You agnostic yet?

Agnostic/Atheist/Non-theist.....it's all the same...

 

[Razorguns]

here's some homework:

look up all the people who have gone off the edge, and started whacking classmates, families, etc.

you'll find one thing in common in almost 75% of the cases: they were all on a cocktail of various drugs.

last one - virginia tech shooter? drugs and mental problems. big surprise.

r

 

[Megalomaniac]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

No, quit listening to the media and politicians who are pissed they can't get rich off of gear.
Here is my theory on "rage". Most people who will risk taking A A S are aggressive risk takers anyway. Thus these risk takers normal unstable actions slightly intensified create what straight an narrow people call "RAGE".

 

[gjohnson5]

DILF , lol

Anyway I admit that I've been a pro wrestling fan for 25+ years. Chris's on camera personality was that he was an extremely stand up guy.

But someone posted an angle that Woman was still married to Kevin Sullivan when Chris got involved with her and there may have been a chance that Daniel was actually Kevin's kid and not his. Not sure if there's any truth to that

honestly who cares about this scum bag...really.

 

[Mr. dB]

Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.

Does sedating the child before killing him sound like the action of someone who is raging?

 

[biteme]

lol @ Benoit not being on steroids. He was built like a tank and looked like he wanted to tear his opponent apart with his teeth.

Also, it seems common sense to me that 'roid rage' is just a term for aggression as a result of high testosterone levels. Testosterone is what causes men to be more agressive than women, the more testosterone you have, the more aggressive you are liekly to be. Therefore it's very possible that Benoit's higher than normal test levels played 'a part' in the killings.

It has caused me to decapitate many, many unfortunate victims...... So fucking stupid. I had a worse temper when I was clean for many years.

 

[Gymgurl]

he was just another fucked up mental freak

 

[BBC]

The guy should of stuck to Xanax. The most laid back drug in the world.

Although, when you mix it with Alcohol crazy shit tends to happen.

XANAX(alone) = the drug of the gods.

 

[bigmann245]

The guy should of stuck to Xanax. The most laid back drug in the world.

Although, when you mix it with Alcohol crazy shit tends to happen.

XANAX(alone) = the drug of the gods.

for this reason right here is why i will never touch xanax ever again. when i worked in the strip club someone gave me a xanax and i said sure why not, lets see what the hype is all about. well after you take a full bar of xanax you tend to not worry about a damn thing. so when people then offer you a shot you dont care that you shouldnt drink while on xanies. anyway long story short, i ended up at a denny's by myself, i have no idea how i got there since my car was still at the club. all i know is my wife said i called her from denny's and she had to come get me and not only that, she had to practically carry me out.

i do not remember shit from that night. my manager said i was on my phone outside in back of the club and all of a sudden i fell backwards and slammed my head on the ground and my PPC-6700 pocket pc cell phone smashed on the ground. i barely remember taking the xanie.

 

[javaguru]

It has caused me to decapitate many, many unfortunate victims...... So fucking stupid. I had a worse temper when I was clean for many years.

The studies seem to confirm that men with low testosterone are more aggressive before receiving HRT than after their testosterone levels have been restored. Not to mention suffering from a number of other things like depression.

 

[javaguru]

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study
R Tricker, R Casaburi, TW Storer, B Clevenger, N Berman, A Shirazi and S Bhasin
Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

 

[Bikini Mod]

steroids alone "CAN NEVER AND WILL NEVER" cause someone to off their whole family............in the way that benoit did it, he'd been thinkin about it for some time........is it possible that some elevated testosterone level finally made him snap and pull the trigger on his plan?? maybe.........but it was a matter of time anyway. How many psycho's have we seen in this country off their whole family? happens every couple of years...........how about the bitch that locked her kids in the car and then rolled it off into a lake...........roid rage??

You know, from what I have been told that juicers who claim roid rage after use were major assholes before they ever touched a drug, sorta akin to the whole anabolics make women ugly arguement - those women were hit with the ugly stick long before they ever hit the weights, the added muscle only made them less attractive.... sorta like the added muscle only elevates the aforementioned jack-ass to the status of GAPING ASSHOLE.

..just my humble observations.

Any guy who is a MAJOR asshole was a MAJOR asshole before he touched juice only now he is a MAJOR asshole with more muscle.

Any gal who is BUTTFUCKING UGLY after juicing was damned near beat to death with the ugly stick long before her first injection.

 

[gotmilk]

I love how Fox news claims his test levels were 10 times the normal amount. I thought his bloodwork showed like 205 ng/dl????

Randy Orten and Kurt Angle were also getting GH and Test from the same clinic???

 

[slat1]

I love how Fox news claims his test levels were 10 times the normal amount. I thought his bloodwork showed like 205 ng/dl????

Randy Orten and Kurt Angle were also getting gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and Test from the same clinic???

It was his urine that was tested.
From that the testing comany said it was 5x the normal amount.
He also said many factors could contribute to that.
Lets face it. Pain killers and wine is not a good combo.
Juice has nothing to do with it.

 

[jd_uk]

sorta akin to the whole anabolics make women ugly arguement - those women were hit with the ugly stick long before they ever hit the weights, the added muscle only made them less attractive.... sorta like the added muscle only elevates the aforementioned jack-ass to the status of GAPING ASSHOLE.

I think some of the women who take steroids are called ugly because of the masculine features that they have developed. They didn't start out with the square jaws and deep voices and some were probably quite pretty beforehand.

 

[Megalomaniac]

I love how Fox news claims his test levels were 10 times the normal amount. I thought his bloodwork showed like 205 ng/dl????

Randy Orten and Kurt Angle were also getting gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and Test from the same clinic???

that was the number I saw also which isn't high at all. I bombed the shit out of O'Reily yesterday. I sent a bucket load of emails and dared him to respond to me without BS and false statements like he makes throughout his program. Yesterday he said Lyle Alzado died from AAS and that has been proven to be false. Also he said "steroids" were found in his test results where the truth was that only testosterone was found. I used to watch his program and I hate him at this point.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I think some of the women who take steroids are called ugly because of the masculine features that they have developed. They didn't start out with the square jaws and deep voices and some were probably quite pretty beforehand.

The square jaw thing is a myth. It is a result of serious dieting (you only see pics of them VERY lean hence, the appearance of a square jaw. even the weakest jaw line would appear to be prominent on a woman with bf that low) and in some extreme cases I believe that growth hormone abuse contributed to a REAL (and not percieved) increase in the bone itself. GH is NOT a steroid.

Gladys Portuguese, Cory Everson, Monica Brandt every single one of them JUICED TO THE GILLLS as ALL pro-level competitors are. Every single one beautiful and dead sexy (if you go for their *type*)

No offense to any of the ladies I will now name but Vicky Gates, Kim Chichevksy (I know I butchered her name) and Bev Francis were not the *prettiest* ladies before their first injection. The added muscle mass and vascularity certainly didn't help. But to blame steriods is silly. Just as it is silly to blame steroids when a juicer acts the fool. He was a fool long before his first injection.

 

[slat1]

Anyone else annoyed at the fact that the media is reporting that they could not tell if his son was using GH because there was no urine in his bladder?
There is no urine test for GH and there never will be.
Apparently, the lad told the press that.
How stupid is the lab?!?!?!?

 

[Bikini Mod]

Anyone else annoyed at the fact that the media is reporting that they could not tell if his son was using gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - because there was no urine in his bladder?
There is no urine test for GH and there never will be.
Apparently, the lad told the press that.
How stupid is the lab?!?!?!?

Apparently they are pretty smart as most people wouldn't know to question it. Honestly, I didn't know. Now how many NON-GH knowledgeable/using people do you think there are that even care about this story, let alone those who even care regardless?

The guy was nuts - period.

That doesn't seem to be a great shock.

What I think is shocking is the fact that these people are somehow elevated to some respect-garnering status with so many people that watch these programs. I am not trying to offend anyone. Who am I to say what others should find entertaining? What I AM dismayed about, however, is that so many people can not discern between what public figures should be held in high esteem and emulated and those who should merely be remanded to "entertain".

THAT, to me is scary.

 

[redsamurai]

like charles barkley say's.......I ain't no role model!! and why should he be?

What I think is shocking is the fact that these people are somehow elevated to some respect-garnering status with so many people that watch these programs. I am not trying to offend anyone. Who am I to say what others should find entertaining? What I AM dismayed about, however, is that so many people can not discern between what public figures should be held in high esteem and emulated and those who should merely be remanded to "entertain".

THAT, to me is scary.

 

[jd_uk]

The square jaw thing is a myth. It is a result of serious dieting (you only see pics of them VERY lean hence, the appearance of a square jaw.

Sorry but i'm not convinced.

Just a quick search on google shows that these women don't have natural looking faces. Some may get away with looking still relatively feminine but i've also seen some 'women' look awful (way worse than pics below even). That isn't just down to the effects of low bodyfat.

http://www.search-female-physique.com/4images/data/media/75/friend_monica.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/jayjay3099/DSC_0315.jpg

...and whether it's caused by what's technically considered steroids or not (GH) doesn't really matter. GH is just a hormone with anabolic effects.

 

[justchilling]

well so i guess the boy was not on as , just xanax

 

[Mavafanculo]

lol @ Benoit not being on steroids. He was built like a tank and looked like he wanted to tear his opponent apart with his teeth.

Also, it seems common sense to me that 'roid rage' is just a term for aggression as a result of high testosterone levels. Testosterone is what causes men to be more agressive than women, the more testosterone you have, the more aggressive you are liekly to be. Therefore it's very possible that Benoit's higher than normal test levels played 'a part' in the killings.

his bloodwork came back with only elevated testosterone, no other steroid, and it was not tru the roof either. significantly, no free test number was provided. total test means nothing.

 

[slat1]

his bloodwork came back with only elevated testosterone, no other steroid, and it was not tru the roof either. significantly, no free test number was provided. total test means nothing.

It was actually a urine test.
That blows my mind!

 

[slat1]

BTW for those who think people with lower testosterone have lower aggression are wrong.
Every time I have been arrested for assault I have been completely clean.
That means my testosterone levels are normal but low.. 302ng/dl on a range of 300 to 1,200.
For some reason I am very calm when I use testosterone.
Now give me some alcohol and pain killers and watch yourself. I have no clue what I am doing!

 

[javaguru]

BTW for those who think people with lower testosterone have lower aggression are wrong.
Every time I have been arrested for assault I have been completely clean.
That means my testosterone levels are normal but low.. 302ng/dl on a range of 300 to 1,200.
For some reason I am very calm when I use testosterone.
Now give me some alcohol and pain killers and watch yourself. I have no clue what I am doing!

That agrees with the data on hypogonadal males, they actually have less aggression and a higher sense of well being when testosterone levels are restored by HRT.

 

[Mavafanculo]

It was actually a urine test.
That blows my mind!

They made a dead guy pee in a cup?

-

 

[AAP]

Just to play Devils Advocate here.... everyone calls Benoit a coward because he killed himself before he could own up for his crimes.

But wouldn't you?

I mean, you are at home, looking at the bodies of your family. Realizing that no one ever truly gets away. You are going to jail for life. You will be ridiculed. Your legacy on tv erased. You have traveled the world over and over, now you will be confined to a tiny narrow cell for 23 hours a day. (I have heard that he was a germophobia and took as many as 6 showers per day and now you only get one shower every two days).

Faced with that, what is the purpose of living?

 

[javaguru]

Just to play Devils Advocate here.... everyone calls Benoit a coward because he killed himself before he could own up for his crimes.

But wouldn't you?

I mean, you are at home, looking at the bodies of your family. Realizing that no one ever truly gets away. You are going to jail for life. You will be ridiculed. Your legacy on tv erased. You have traveled the world over and over, now you will be confined to a tiny narrow cell for 23 hours a day. (I have heard that he was a germophobia and took as many as 6 showers per day and now you only get one shower every two days).

Faced with that, what is the purpose of living?

Look at it this way...he saved the State time and money executing him.... Everyone complains how long it takes to execute someone...he was his own judge, jury and executioner....

 

[Bikini Mod]

Just to play Devils Advocate here.... everyone calls Benoit a coward because he killed himself before he could own up for his crimes.

But wouldn't you?

I mean, you are at home, looking at the bodies of your family. Realizing that no one ever truly gets away. You are going to jail for life. You will be ridiculed. Your legacy on tv erased. You have traveled the world over and over, now you will be confined to a tiny narrow cell for 23 hours a day. (I have heard that he was a germophobia and took as many as 6 showers per day and now you only get one shower every two days).

Faced with that, what is the purpose of living?

Feel you on that assessment but I still am trying to figure out WTF he was thinking killing his wife and child to begin with... that somehow people would just sorta say, "OK... dude was having a bad day and well she probably did something to deserve it and then how could he explain it to his kid so he figured it would probably be easier just to spare *the child* the horror of having to live with the fact that his father killed his mother so he did *the child* a favor by killing him too.

Sorta like when I hear about all the scumbags who rip thousand of investors off for MILLIONS and they *suddenly can't resist the urge to kill themselves* not because they scammed MILLIONS of dollars from people who trusted them but simply because they got caught.