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kano said:
chris killed himself cause his wife found out he was gay
lol
 
javaguru said:
The data on testosterone and aggression comes primarily from rat data....a flawed model for predicting human behavior.

How about caffeine rage????
A regular drip venti Starbucks coffee has 480mg of caffeine. According to this study 455mg of caffeine is enough to increase aggressiveness in a 200 pound male(5mg/kg).

Psychol Rep. 2000 Jun;86(3 Pt 1):941-6. Related Articles, Links


Effects of low doses of caffeine on aggressive behavior of male rats.

Wilson JF, Nugent NR, Baltes JE, Tokunaga S, Canic T, Young BW, Bellinger ER, Delac DT, Golston GA, Hendershot DM.

Psychology Department, Wittenberg University, Springfield, OH 45501, USA. [email protected]

To date, the effect of low doses of caffeine on aggression has not been systematically examined. Doses of caffeine greater than 30 mg/kg appear to reduce social interaction and aggression in all species studied. In a double blind study of the effects of low doses of caffeine on aggression, rats were housed four per cage, and aggressive behavior against an intruder was recorded during baseline and following administration of 2.5, 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine. Aggressive behavior was significantly increased following administration of the higher doses of caffeine. Doses of 5, 10, and 20 mg/kg caffeine all were effective in increasing pushing behavior, whereas doses of 5 and 10 mg/kg were most effective in increasing boxing behavior, and a dose of 10 mg/kg was significantly more effective than other doses in increasing chasing and roll-tumble-bite behaviors. Based on these results and other published reports, the inverted-U shaped dose-dependent effect of caffeine on aggression appears to apply, with aggressive behavior being most elevated following doses of 5-20 mg/kg caffeine, less elevated following 2.5 mg/kg or 30 mg/kg, and significantly reduced with doses above 40 mg/kg and at doses below 2.5 mg/kg.
We use animal testing for guaging the effects of most drugs. You want them to test it on babies or something? Plus, telling us that rat testing is flawed and then throwing in results of caffeine tests on rats is ummmmm...specious, at best.

I swear, sometimes you are ridiculously illogical despite thinking that you are the science guru.
 
heatherrae said:
We use animal testing for guaging the effects of most drugs. You want them to test it on babies or something? Plus, telling us that rat testing is flawed and then throwing in results of caffeine tests on rats is ummmmm...specious, at best.

I swear, sometimes you are ridiculously illogical despite thinking that you are the science guru.
As usual, my point flew over your head. Rats are relatively poor models even for physiological tests, which is their role in drug testing. We've "cured" cancer in rats numerous times. They are useless as psychological models for what I would assume are obvious reason. The abstract I posted is just showing how ridiculous it is to consider rat data "definitive." If it were, people would be flipping out and starting fist fights after their cup of Starbucks coffee. All drugs have to undergo human trials HR. Here is a study using supraphysiological doses of testosterone on human male subjects......

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study
R Tricker, R Casaburi, TW Storer, B Clevenger, N Berman, A Shirazi and S Bhasin
Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.
 
here's some homework:

look up all the people who have gone off the edge, and started whacking classmates, families, etc.

you'll find one thing in common in almost 75% of the cases: they were all on a cocktail of various drugs.

last one - virginia tech shooter? drugs and mental problems. big surprise.

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heatherrae said:
Aren't there some steroids that don't show up on drug tests?

Can't testosterone cause roid rage?

I don't know. I'm just asking. The medical examiner seemed awfully conclusive to say that 100% there was "no roid rage."

Seems like it would be hard to know.


No, quit listening to the media and politicians who are pissed they can't get rich off of gear.
Here is my theory on "rage". Most people who will risk taking A A S are aggressive risk takers anyway. Thus these risk takers normal unstable actions slightly intensified create what straight an narrow people call "RAGE".
 
DILF , lol

Anyway I admit that I've been a pro wrestling fan for 25+ years. Chris's on camera personality was that he was an extremely stand up guy.

But someone posted an angle that Woman was still married to Kevin Sullivan when Chris got involved with her and there may have been a chance that Daniel was actually Kevin's kid and not his. Not sure if there's any truth to that


mightymouse69 said:
honestly who cares about this scum bag...really.
 
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