Bench Press

[jcp2]

jacked clown is right...it is a strength = lift contest...not a strength + shirt = lift. .

No, you are wrong, it is a strength + shirt + suit contest. If you don't like it, tough. It is what it is. The fact of the matter is all you guys who talk about raw squats, their never has been such a thing. Squat suits have been around since the early 70's i beleive.

 

[Tiervexx]

No, you are wrong, it is a strength + shirt + suit contest. If you don't like it, tough. It is what it is. The fact of the matter is all you guys who talk about raw squats, their never has been such a thing. Squat suits have been around since the early 70's i beleive.

Squats have been around a lot earlier then the 70's. And even if they where invented at the same time that would mean nothing.


I post on these threads sometimes because I, like many others on this site am really fascinated by great feats of strength. There is no possible way that anyone could be genuinely interested in a bench-press, just because it's a bench-press, or in a squat, just because it's a squat. Calling those sports is comical.

What makes them interesting is the power they represent. Correct me if I’m wrong but it did not take what’s his name very long to go from 800 to 900, and then 900 to 1005. There is no way in hell he actually got that much stronger in that much time and everyone with any sense knows it.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the technology does not already exist to make a shirt that could make the average girl who does not even work out capable of bench-pressing 1005, it is only a matter of time before it does. We have to draw the line somewhere and the only rational point is at no equipment at all.

Steroids are another issue, one that is often much harder to keep track of. We might not be able to keep drugs out of sports but we can get rid of equipment.

 

[kethnaab]

well, we need to be real up front here

EVERYONE setting records in the APF and USPF are using drugs.

and everyone who can place top 10 in the Olympia (and just about any national-level bb contest) is using drugs.

they are both using. drugs are a complete non-issue, because the playing field, in this respect, is even. To say that drugs in bodybuilding is "ridiculous" must mean that drugs in powerlifting is ridiculous as well. I won't judge either, you do what you have to do, just don't use 'em in a drug-tested event to compete against people who are trying to do it "truly natural".

a far more honest comparison, IMHO, is comparing the bench shirts/squat suits/groove briefs in PL to those nasty oily site-injections in bodybuilding.

The guys who are "benching" 1000 and squatting 1100-1200 right now are, in no way, shape or form, actually benching/squatting that much weight. Are they strong as hell? OF COURSE THEY ARE. Just to be able to hold that much weight requires insane amounts of strength. But there is a true danger in comparing today's bench pressers and their records to the records from "back in the day" when the first-generation Inzer Blast shirt gave a guy about 25-50 pounds, rather than the 250-300ish pounds they're getting today.

Imagine if Arnold, Lee Haney, Dorian, and Ronnie and their Olympia records were to go up against a bunch of goofs like Gregg Valentino or whatever his name is, with his Synthoil-filled 30" biceps. Did this dude build bigass arms? Oh yeah, he did. But are his arms REALLY that much more impressive than, for example, Arnie's? Or Ronnie Coleman's?

Not in the least. Certainly a lot bigger, but they are artificially bigger.

Imagine if an old-schoool brute like Ken Lain, Dave Pasanella or Ed Coan had access to triple-ply denim squat suits, bouncy-bouncy bench press shirts, and turbo-charged groove briefs, like they do today?

yeah yeah, they used squat suits, knee wraps, and bench press shirts, but anyone with a clue cannot possibly compare the "lifting technology" of 15 years ago to what is going on today.

I don't mean to take credit away from today's powerlifters who are benching 1000+ and squatting 1200, as they are powerhouses, but I'd really like to see the contests move to wraps and belts only. Want to use the fancy stuff in training to keep your joints injury-free? no problem.

come contest time though, let's see what YOU can lift, not what your clothes can lift.

Just my $0.02.

 

[jcp2]

I post on these threads sometimes because I, like many others on this site am really fascinated by great feats of strength. There is no possible way that anyone could be genuinely interested in a bench-press, just because it's a bench-press, or in a squat, just because it's a squat. Calling those sports is comical.

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Well why tell me, go log onto monstermuscle and tell those guys their lifts are comical, just make sure to post your real name. My name is Joe Panella, you are completely welcome to come up to Iron Island with me on a Saturday and tell the WPO competitors that workout their, thier lifts are comical as well. You are invited anytime.

 

[jcp2]

well, we need to be real up front here

EVERYONE setting records in the APF and USPF are using drugs.

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most definately are, i can think of a few off the top of my head who are not. Please know what you are talking about when accusing people of using drugs. I can think of one USAPL bench press champ off the top of my head who does it for fun, he is a very successful guy, and has been natural his whole life. I can also think of a few WPO competitors who don't use gear. But like i said, you cannot even compete locally without drugs in bodybuilding. But i do agree steroids are a bigpart of these sports. i am not anti-steroid, just trying to prove a point.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

700+ for 5 reps deep no belt no wraps isnt really that amazing

its funny how allthe weak assclowns here prolly dont even bench 315 or theyre just big pussies who are afraid to climb under the bar with some weight on it..

id like to buy a shirt that breaks my sticking point LOL
and for the record there is only one official 1000 bench its not as if everyone is benching that weight..

I think the bench shirt gets picked on the most is because every fuggin jackass in the world BENCHES..that is how all the little boys iwith small penises equate themselves with the rest of the bigger boys..no noe ever asks what do you squat or pull..why??? because they dont do those exercises so for them to measure themselves against you it doesnt matter if you squat 1200..but they all bench so they ask how much do you bench? and when you say X weight thatis when they all freak out and start to say how this is cheating etc and how much a shirt adds to your lift..grow some fucking balls anbd get stronger or shut the fuck up and buy a shirt and really see what its like for yourself

 

[LiftingDukkha]

raw 715
shirted 1005
set by two different people

I thought I read somewhere that Mendelson benched 755 raw, breaking the old raw record

 

[LiftingDukkha]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the technology does not already exist to make a shirt that could make the average girl who does not even work out capable of bench-pressing 1005, it is only a matter of time before it does. We have to draw the line somewhere and the only rational point is at no equipment at all.

Watch out, I tried to make this same point under another name on another weightlifting forum & I got banned. I was showing "disrespect" to the Mendelson & Rychalk worshippers. So I avoid the topic altogether now.

I agree suits & wraps can be good for injuries, prevention, etc. But imo this hydraulic machine aid is a bit nutters. I want to know what my own real strength is.

(Still, on the other hand, I think "top-down" training always somehow helps -- doing max singles all the time, instead of reps, for example, is proven to be able to make people the strongest, if done right. So it might make sense that "out-kicking your coverage" by wearing shirts & suits might actually make you stronger when raw. I don't know.)

As for roids, if I could do them with medical & scientific precision, I probably would. But I can't so I don't. They are medicine, after all, and help lots of people live better lives, when done correctly.

 

[jcp2]

I thought I read somewhere that Mendelson benched 755 raw, breaking the old raw record

In training. Their is a kid named Nick Winters at Westside right now who benches, i beleive, 650 raw with a pause. I think he is in his early 20's, he may do some real damage in the future. I hear Chabot is making a comeback as well, to try and challenge mendys record.

Also i love raw lifting, i get the privledge to workout with John Bernor quite often, he has to be one of the premiere raw squatters going. 720x5 no belt or wraps, all well below parallel.

I just feel until you pot the gear on and struggle through a workout with 100 lbs more than you could handle raw on the bench, and fell the pain, you really shouldn't talk shit about it. Or feel like your head is going to pop from the pressure in the hole when squatting in a suit.

 

[LiftingDukkha]

I just feel until you pot the gear on and struggle through a workout with 100 lbs more than you could handle raw on the bench, and fell the pain, you really shouldn't talk shit about it. Or feel like your head is going to pop from the pressure in the hole when squatting in a suit.

Yeah, that's part of what I meant when I wondered if "top-down" training like this could help. It seems to make some sense that really over-loading your system can actually make you stronger even raw. (Just like doing 1 RM singles makes you stronger than doing 20 RM, etc.)

In training. Their is a kid named Nick Winters at Westside right now who benches, i beleive, 650 raw with a pause. I think he is in his early 20's, he may do some real damage in the future. I hear Chabot is making a comeback as well, to try and challenge mendys record.

Jesus Christ.