Bench Article Sept. Monster Muscle

[BoShow]

What's up fellows,
I just read the "How Much Can You Bench" Article in the Sept. 2002 Monster Muscle by Joe Ladniers. Its just like Ken Lain's program. It says to add 50 pounds to your max in 10 weeks, but I was just going to add 20 and calculate the percentages nstead of 50. So excluding the warm ups, here would be my program:
(Max bench of 295) want 315
Tuesday
Week Sets Reps Weight % of max
1 3 10 170 55
2 3 9 190 60
3 3 8 205 65
4 3 7 220 70
5 3 6 235 75
6 3 5 250 80
7 2 4 265 85
8 2 3 280 90
9 2 2 300 95
10 2 warm ups then go for 315

Heavy assistance work weeks 1-6, light on 7 then none on weeks 8-10.
Assistance work:
1 drop set of bench, 30 partial reps with 35% of 315=110 lbs
Close Grips on Decline (I'm substituting weighted dips here)
3x6
1 Arm side delt raises 3x6

3 days later or Friday:
Deadlifts (not in article but I want to do them) 2*5
Barbell Shrugs 3x10
Wide Grip Pulldowns 2x8
Close Grip Pulldowns 2x8
Seated Cable Rows 2x8
Rear Delt Raises 3x8
Hammer Curls 3-5x8

Then Sunday I will do legs to get it all in.

So there it is, has anyone did a 10 week program like this and get good results (like 20 lbs on bench?) Thanks a lot guys.

 

[spatts]

I did an 8 week periodization routine once...I found it restrictive and limiting because the program dictated how much strength I could gain, and not my own natrual ability. Personally, I would find 50 pounds in 10 weeks disappointing, but I'm probably still experiencing beginners luck.

I'm curious to read some responses...

 

[Deciever1]

Personally, I would find 50 pounds in 10 weeks disappointing,

i hate you i would love 50 lbs in 10 weeks... even in 10 months...

some routines work for the 50lbs in 10 weeks.. may as well give it a shot... what can you lose??

 

[spatts]

Like I said, beginners luck. My main concern with "charts" like this is that strength doesn't compound systematically for me. I will go nowhere for 2-3 weeks, then make a 22+ pound jump. I have dealt with this all my life in sprint training. I'd get slower for a couple weeks, then come back and break 2/10 of my 100, etc... I figure my body is smart and it knows what it needs to do. It seems to spend time repairing and recovering, and as long as I let it, I get to reap the benefits a few weeks later.

Like I said, that's just what works for ME. I'm sure there are people out there that swear by charts. Whatever works.

 

[Screwball]

50 lbs. in 10 weeks ain't gonna happen unless you're a beginner. I would be happy to gain 50 lbs. in a year on my bench.

 

[benchmonster]

50 lbs in 10 weeks?

Sign me up. People here who know me know what an insane amount of gains I have made in the last 14 months and I don't gain 50 lbs every 2 1/2 months. I doubt I did, even when I first began powerlifting.

If you took some guy who had not lifted in a really long time, then you might be able to get that kind of gain. But if it was possible to gain 50 lbs every 6 weeks (which is like 450 lbs of gain in one year, by the way), then people would be benching world recprds after less than 2 years training on a regular basis.

Take those 50 lb promises with a grain of salt.

B.

 

[jeremys]

what about coan's periodization program? i heard a lot of good things from people about that...and when you plug your numbers in, the more you bench, the more you gain. if you bench 400 or so i think it's like a 40-45 pound gain.

but everybody who used this said it didnt work the second time they tried this. i believe this is because they tried it twice in a row, without doing something else for a while inbetween. or a person can only use something like this once with much success and then has to search for something else...

thats just what i think..

 

[jeremys]

i'm sure the numbers i just posted are a little off but i heard its good. heres the link. copy and paste


http://www.joeskopec.com/coancalc.html

 

[benchmonster]

What about Coan's periodization plan?

I will give my 2 cents on the subject. I think it is a wonderful program, assuming you happen to be named Ed Coan. Unless you are named Coan, tho, I would personally stay away from it.

I have taken some shit for saying this in the past. People jump on me and say "How can you say that about Coan's program? He is the greatest powerlifter ever!" I totally agree that he is the greatest ever.

But answer this for me? How many people has he trained, with his system who are stronger than he is? Hmm, Oh, I would estimate that number to be about. . . NONE!!!

Now tell me how many people Louie Simmons has trained to become stronger than Louie. I can think of about a dozen right off the top of my head.

Tons of people use western periodization. some of them become insanely strong, Ed Coan, Joe Ladnier, Garry Frank, come to mind, but not everyone who uses it gets to a high level. For most folks, IMO, it is a recipe for disaster. It did not work for me. I spent 10 years doing every workout there was in Western Science, and made gains, to be sure, but not in proportion to the effort that went into it, nor in proportion to the injuries I got out of it.

Since switching to the conjugate method, I continually make out of this world gains. I preach the conjugate method everywhere I go, because for me personally, it was like a light came on after 10 years of darkness. I want that same thing for others as well.

B.

 

[solidj55]

I find it hard to believe that anyone would be dissapointed in a 50lb increase in their bench press in 10 weeks. I realize that you may get 20+pound jumps in ME exercises when using Westside but that doesnt mean you added that much to your actual bench it just means you added it to that certain exercise. Yea it is an exercise that is similar to bench but its not actually your bench. I tried Westside numerous times and got huge jumps in my poundages on my ME exercises but it sure as hell didnt have that same carry over in my bench.

 

[spatts]

Like I said, as a beginner, I will make fast jumps, so a chart would limit me. That's all I'm saying.

I hate to keep repeating myself, but I still think the body's natural recovery processes are at risk as well. At least mine would be. I hope you all try it and hit 50+.

...I have had amazing luck with carry-over.

 

[benchmonster]

I am with spatts on this one. If I have a 20 lb pr on something, then I am usually pretty close to being 20 lbs stronger. Not everyone works like that, I suppose, but for me it seems to work out.

B.

 

[Hannibal]

If I read this article on the way to the meet...do you think it will help me make my attempts??!

 

[Imnotdutch]

I agree. Periodisation can work well........but it fails when you do back to back cycles. You need breaks in between. Also, the numbers are just a guide.......you should always be pushing for more.

Regarding Benches post concerning Ed Coan.......it seems you are holding Ed Coans naturally good leverages against him. It would be much harder for Ed Coan than LS to find somebody who is equally or better built than him to powerlift. Judging the man by how many people he has trained to lift more than him is a bit unfair because of this.

what about coan's periodization program? i heard a lot of good things from people about that...and when you plug your numbers in, the more you bench, the more you gain. if you bench 400 or so i think it's like a 40-45 pound gain.

but everybody who used this said it didnt work the second time they tried this. i believe this is because they tried it twice in a row, without doing something else for a while inbetween. or a person can only use something like this once with much success and then has to search for something else...

thats just what i think..

 

[jeremys]

i agree with you benchmonster, that the conjugate method may work best for most people. however, i've heard a few people say they've had very good results with the program. of course these people may also be genetically gifted (if one finishes this cycle and gets the numbers they're supposed to, i think you're looking at an 11% increas in lbs)

i just mentioned that seeing that people were talking about periodization and good gains.


if a westside-style routine works for me, which im confident it is, then i'll keep using it. if not, then i may try something like that program. either way, i'm just looking to add the most lbs on my bench. whatever works, works

good luck at the meet bench. let us know how it goes

 

[spatts]

if a westside-style routine works for me, which im confident it is, then i'll keep using it. if not, then i may try something like that program. either way, i'm just looking to add the most lbs on my bench. whatever works, works.

Absolutely.

 

[solidj55]

Good post Imnotdutch. I get so sick of all this Westside/Louie Simmons crap. Thats all I hear on here.

 

[spatts]

Let's keep in mind that non-periodization does not equal Westside. Speed training does not equal Westisde. These are training methods that have been around a while. If you are associating every post about ME and DE work, and conjugate training with "Westside," then no wonder you're fed up.

You make me feel like I shouldn't talk about my training, because it is a modified WSB. You know my philosophy is "whatever works." Well, that's what works for me, right now. Your negativity about WSB training is practically reverse descrimination. If you TRULY believe in doing whatever it takes to get the numbers, then don't bash other's methods. Likewise, they shouldn't bash yours.

That said, stating your opinion about another method shouldn't be considered "bashing." It's an opinion; hopefuly based on personal experience. No more, no less. No need to take it personally.

Peace.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I hate to say this but posts like this just make me sit here and shake my head.

Let me ask you this, when does Westside stop being Westside to become 'modifed' Westside? Isn't Westside all about modifying your routine based around a set of ideas? And those ideas are constantly changing. The whole point is to modify......so what makes your modifed version special? Incidentally, I would be interested to see what your definition of 'Westside' is.

I think you actually missed Solid's point.....it is the same point that I have expressed several times before. Fact of the matter is, on this board you tend to get jumped on if you talk anything other than Westside. If you remember I made this exact point in that recent thread concerning Arioch.....you know the one where some of us were deemed to have acted in a 'almost high school clique-ish underhanded' manner. However, this point just doesn't seem to be getting across.......and is usually met by posts such as yours where us humble non-WS's get talked down to. In this situation, that little comment about reverse discrimination is just comical.

Let's keep in mind that non-periodization does not equal Westside. Speed training does not equal Westisde. These are training methods that have been around a while. If you are associating every post about ME and DE work, and conjugate training with "Westside," then no wonder you're fed up.

You make me feel like I shouldn't talk about my training, because it is a modified WSB. You know my philosophy is "whatever works." Well, that's what works for me, right now. Your negativity about WSB training is practically reverse descrimination. If you TRULY believe in doing whatever it takes to get the numbers, then don't bash other's methods. Likewise, they shouldn't bash yours.

That said, stating your opinion about another method shouldn't be considered "bashing." It's an opinion; hopefuly based on personal experience. No more, no less. No need to take it personally.

Peace.

 

[spatts]

I stated my feelings, it is your perogative to find them comical.

I modify my routine to allow for cross-competing in bodybuilding. Last I checked there weren't sepcific rotations for symmetry and "frontal" work in Westside...nor is there any reason for there to be.

I PM'd with SolidJ, and it seems we understood one another just fine.

BTW...ever wonder why Corn's Westside training thread is on training and not PL?

 

[Imnotdutch]

BTW...ever wonder why Corn's Westside training thread is on training and not PL?

Nope.........please enlighten me.

 

[spatts]

See above.

 

[Imnotdutch]

See above.

Well not so long ago Corn announced that he was giving Powerlifting a shot (shortly followed by the usual claims by others of the new guy being a freak who'll bench / dead big numbers in no time)........I even pm'd him to wish him luck. Unfortunately I dont have time to keep up with the latest twists and turns in people training so if he is now training for bodybuilding too, I wouldnt know about it.

BTW I dont doubt that Cornholio is capable of a big bench........if I remember correctly he went over 400 witohut specifically training for it. I just happen to find claims of genetic freaks who will lift X in no time funny also. I've yet to see it happen.

 

[spatts]

If you were new to WSB, and saw a post from a well repspected board member that said, "I get so sick of all this Westside/Louie Simmons crap. Thats all I hear on here," would YOU want to post your new WSB routine and questions here?

"Have yet to see it happen?" It's only been a month or two!

Yes, I do think he will be hitting some very competitive numbers in the future, am I not allowed to encourage him?

 

[Imnotdutch]

Are you suggesting that the comments like that posted by Solid outnumber those posted against training methods other than Westside? Anti-Westside posts are pretty rare (although they have become more prominent lately). It is comments against the alternatives that prevent people posting about these training methods........you make it sound like Westside has to constantly justify its existence on this board.....when most who post here train Westside. In fact, if I was training Westside this is one of the places I would come to to get answers.......I at least know that I will be referred to relevant sites and articles.

The comment about 'yet to see it happen' did not refer to Corn in particular.......in fact I stated that I fully expect him to hit big numbers. What I meant was that I have seen many claims of somebody being a freak and I am yet to see one realise their alleged potential.

If you were new to WSB, and saw a post from a well repspected board member that said, "I get so sick of all this Westside/Louie Simmons crap. Thats all I hear on here," would YOU want to post your new WSB routine and questions here?

"Have yet to see it happen?" It's only been a month or two!

Yes, I do think he will be hitting some very competitive numbers in the future, am I not allowed to encourage him?

 

[spatts]

No, I am suggesting that on AR there are MORE threads about westside than there are here, yet no one seems to mind them over there, least of all solidJ. I don't understand why the same threads that cause posts like that in THIS forum, do not there. No one should be knocking anyone's training. Period.

As per the post that started this mess, I simply want this to be an informative board, where people can train however they want, and feel free to share their experiences and learn without judging.

I don't understand why that warrants confrontation. I would hope we all want that.

Please read you PMs.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I appreciate the way that you want this board to work.....I hope it gets there.

This whole thread started off in an informative manner....and it was interesting. But then somebody had to start drawing unfair comparisons between EC and LS.....

BTW I wish I could consider a 50lb gain in 10 weeks poor

As per the post that started this mess, I simply want this to be an informative board, where people can train however they want, and feel free to share their experiences and learn without judging.

I don't understand why that warrants confrontation. I would hope we all want that.

Please read you PMs.

 

[spatts]

BTW I wish I could consider a 50lb gain in 10 weeks poor

Believe me, I know it's temporary. I can feel it starting to taper off already. Just enjoying it while I can.

 

[The Shadow]

Spatts - remember our conversation??

I think my case is growing....

 

[solidj55]

Well I thought everything was cool after reading my PM's but now that I take a look at the thread I realize that shit is not cool. Thanks Imnotdutch for the support. WTF Spatts you bring up shit about what goes on over at AR and kinda make me look like an ass and that I am just talking shit over here. This was after I clearly stated to you that I hardly ever post over there. I told you what my problem was in my PM but apparently from all of the posts on this thread I am the problem of the board now. I am the guy who is going to discourage new people from trying Westside cause I said it was crap. I have said in every post but this one that Westside does work, just not for me. Fuck it, I am done with the Powerlifting board on Elite Fitness, I will not post on here again. And Cornholio, I am assuming you are not posting about your routine on this board because of people like me??? Well if thats the case I am sorry for making you feel that way but on the second hand fuck you for your little inside bullshit with Spatts about your "growing case"

 

[spatts]

Solid, I posted before you responded to my PM.

I have been biting my tongue in this damn forum too long. I've never seen this level of cattiness on ANY women's board. Some of you say you're tired of hearing about Westside, but that's all over the AR board. You say you're tired of chattiness, but you chat on AR. You say you're tired of the tits and ass show, yet I don't recall my avatar being any more sexy than the beautiful Little Girl avatar, that also recieved woohoo comments from men...I suppose that was HER fault? It was said that newbies are talkative and obnoxious about personal info and that gets them into trouble, while vets are so elusive and private....the same vet that has posted pics, posted his name, posted his city, posted his PHONE NUMBER. It seems to me that alot of the complaints about Elite are unfounded. I've been on AR for a while...don't see the big difference.

I never post on chat any more because of all this overly sensitive emotional drama and bullshit. Why does this board have to be the same way? So far, I'm not supposed to post in short sentences, I'm not supposed to talk about WSB too much, I'm not supposed to refer people to helpful sites like elitefts, I'm not supposed to talk about my numbers unless they're from a meet, I'm not supposed to encourage other lifters and say I think they will do well if they haven't yet, I'm not supposed to look decent (I switched to PL BECAUSE I detest the vain focus of BB)....any other rules I need to know about?

Can't we just all move the fucking weight, share our experiences, and get on with it?

 

[solidj55]

Oh yea and for my last post, about that thing where no one would want to post about their Westside routine because of me posting not so nice things about Westside and Louie Simmons. Thats the same exact shit people have done to non Westsiders. Benchmonster has flamed people and told them that Westside was the best way. Someone else also flamed Freak19 for his lifting style because its too much like "bodybuilding" That is not always the best way for people damnit. Am I the only mother fucker on this board that realizes this??? Imnotdutch and Freak19 are the only two people I know of right now that dont use Westside so I guess we are in the minority. Oh well. I mean its very evident that the "Westsiders" are allowed to talk about how bad old school periodization is and all the what if bullshit, you know the what if Ed Coan, Gary Frank, etc would train Westside they would be so much stronger bullshit. Whatever. Oh yea and this shit about speed work and dynamic work not being just Westside, fuck you dont insult my intelligence. I have researched this shit, I know where it came from and I know that it can be used into other types of training as well. I am not a fucking idiot. But some people call themselves non Westsiders or modified Westside because they do some things differently. What the hell ever, I mean if your using the same logic and principles that the system is based on then you fucking train Westside style. I mean I couldnt give a rats ass if you didnt train at all or if you used Sweatin to the Oldies, I dont give a fuck, but I will be damned if someone is going to talk shit to me for posting my opinion on something that I have tried, several times, and given a fair shot and then I based my opinion on personal results. Fuck you guys if you dont like it, dont fucking read it. YOu guys can post how great it is and how bad everything else sucks so I can fucking say my opinion too. And I know your a MOD Spatts and you can ban me from the boards and all, well go the fuck ahead and do it if you need to, and lock this fucking thread too while your at it.

 

[solidj55]

You better fucking back up bitch and remember that I told you I didnt mind the chatty bullshit, it doesnt bother me. I have told you that over and over. I never said a God Damn thing about avatars and tits and ass either. I also never said anything about not posting unless youve been in a meet, get your fucking facts strait on who said what before you come at me again.

 

[spatts]

SolidJ...my point, for the millionth time, is that it's not right for ANYONE to rip on someone else's methods. Is that SOOOOOOOOO hard to understand? The WSB'ers are not right, the anti-WSBers are not right....if as much time was dedicated to training and learning as putting people down, we'd all be a fucking force.

Yes I'm a mod here. I didn't ask to be. I have no trouble in any other forum, and don't see why this place has to be so much trouble. I don't go around editing, deleting, trashing threads...there are bigger reasons to be a mod. Like the problem with shared accounts, aliases, and source problems on this board. I don't have banning power, and it wouldn't matter if I did-I don't run from my problems, I find a solution to them. I've only locked 3 threads in my time as a mod, and only 1 of them was in this forum.

 

[TheProject]

It seems that there are some people who will never be happy.

I remember a few short months ago, I decided to do PL training instead of BB training, and began to read this board as well as a lot of other information. I made the comment at the time that it seemed to me that powerlifters in general are the kind of people will give you the bench shirt off their back, or do whatever they can to help make you stronger.

This board has been on the slow side since I started following it, and I believe there were a few members complaining that there weren't enough posts, and there wasn't an active mod. I began to make the effort to contribute over here to make the board more active, and Spatts was made a mod over here so that there would be an active mod.

The complaint has also been made that this board is all Westside, too chatty, too many Asylum posts, blah blah blah. Like I told Imnotdutch, if you don't like what the board is, make it what you want. No one's going to run you off for posting something besides Westside. Maybe it's my imagination, but it seems like Imnotdutch and solidj have been posting more lately, and I know I appreciate the activity.

I've rambled on long enough, but I want to make one more point: I was having a conversation with someone the other day who is close to reaching the conclusion that powerlifters are a bunch of dicks. As I said earlier, this is the exact OPPOSITE of the conclusion that I drew when I came over here.

The petty bullshit about who should or should not post, and what the context of our posts should be, needs to stop. Post what you're doing, offer your suggestions, and make a positive contribution. At the same time, expect to be challenged on your suggestions, and questioned if you suggest something a little off the beaten path. It's not an attack; it's an effort to learn.

 

[spatts]

You better fucking back up bitch and remember that I told you I didnt mind the chatty bullshit, it doesnt bother me. I have told you that over and over. I never said a God Damn thing about avatars and tits and ass either. I also never said anything about not posting unless youve been in a meet, get your fucking facts strait on who said what before you come at me again.

The "you" was plural. Not to be taken personally. Like you said before, I thought we settled this.

 

[solidj55]

No your point about bashing is well understood and I agree but you never say a fucking word to anyone that puts down other methods than Westside. So how is that fair. And by the way, I will not be the guy, or the only person to get PM's and such about not bashing others on the board or about saying negative things. Fuck that, I am a grown fucking man and I feel that if I think something sucks then I can say it. Everyone else does it but me and Imnotdutch and Powerlifterjay seemed to be the only ones that anyone ever has a problem with.

 

[solidj55]

And by the way I dont give a rats ass who thinks I am dick, hell I am not even training like a powerlifter at the moment so I really dont consider myself to be one. Yea if circumstances were different right now I would be powerlifting I would preparing for a meet and I would be once again in the top 100 benchers in the 165lb class but it just isnt meant to be right now. So what I am getting at is tell your friend powerlifters arent assholes, assholes are assholes. And yes that includes me in the asshole catagory. I will not be treated like a child when I express my opinion.

 

[spatts]

I take care of it by PM because it's more personal and civilzed, obviously. And you're not the only one.

I don't like to see anyone putting someone else down, ESPECIALLY if what they're doing is working for them. I will make an effort to represent your side better, as needed.

It's funny you should mention yourself, PLJ, and Imnotdutch. I have respected imnotdutch since my first week on Elite, almost a year and 1/2 ago. I have been following PLJ as well, and have read just about every archived post he's ever made under that handle. I had ENORMOUS respect for them, as well as yourself. Then I find out we're ALL going to be at the Southern States....like 30 of us in total. I was so excited that I'd get to meet PLJ, see him in action, etc...

Then from out of the blue....well, you remember the thread.

It's interesting you say that the three of you get picked on the most, because from where I sit, you're the ONLY three people that have ever really had trouble with ME on Elite. I don't go through this in ANY other forum. I'm never forced to behave this way or lose my temper...it's not my style.

Maybe I'm just blind, but I thought everyone here admired the 3 of you...

 

[TheProject]

And by the way I dont give a rats ass who thinks I am dick, hell I am not even training like a powerlifter at the moment so I really dont consider myself to be one. Yea if circumstances were different right now I would be powerlifting I would preparing for a meet and I would be once again in the top 100 benchers in the 165lb class but it just isnt meant to be right now. So what I am getting at is tell your friend powerlifters arent assholes, assholes are assholes. And yes that includes me in the asshole catagory. I will not be treated like a child when I express my opinion.

solidj, I don't care if you're a dick or not. You can be the biggest asshole in the world, and it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, I don't have a damn clue who you are outside of this board.

Furthermore, you're free to say something sucks. But don't jump on and say something sucks without offering something constructive. On this thread, you made a constructive post, and a post calling Westside crap. I'm glad you made both posts, but don't expect people who follow Westside to take that kind of criticism lightly.

Finally, who's treating you like a child?

 

[solidj55]

Well I know most people admired Powerlifterjay and I know alot of people(including myself) have asked Imnotdutch for help and seemed to like both of them very well. As for me, thats horse shit, no one on here looks up to me lol, thats a fucking joke. I started out on here just like everyone else, I havent done any big name meets or anything and no one knows who I am in the powerlifting world so I am not respected. Hell there have been times I couldnt get responses to posts on here because they were not Westside related. The only people that would answer them would be powerlifterjay, Imnotdutch, and The Mann. I just happen to be a guy that bench pressed 350lbs in the 165lb weight class, nothing extrodinary just something for me to brag about. I wish someone would have told me sooner that I was a respected board member so I wouldnt have acted this way.

 

[spatts]

Well, I'm sorry you underestimate the quality of your posts. I've always enjoyed them. I'd love to hit 365 at 165, so you can see why I might find your numbers motivating.

I have a better chance of benching 365 than weighing 165. LOL

 

[solidj55]

Well thanks for the comment but I am done with this board. I said I wasnt posting anymore on this board and I am not, I should have stopped the first time I said it but I didnt so this time I am serious. This is it for me on the powerlifting board.

 

[spatts]

Good thing I read AR regularly.

...best of luck on your new job. I meant what I said.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Dammit, how come all the good stuff happens when I'm in bed?

Just a few comments......


I remember Project saying that about turning the board into what you want it to be. The board always was what I wanted it to be...it was the way that alot of people liked it. Little bullshit, straight answers. I cant see the way to get that back. And as I said before, I dont have time to waste changing a board to my tastes. This is one of the reasons, as I told Spatts, I dont post here much anymore (excuse the lousy English.......I'm a teacher......thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it).

Regarding who is being treated like a child.......well some posts come across like the author is talking down to somebody. I had a long ass response typed out but I deleted it because it would lower the tone again.

Regarding Solids comment concerning the responses to non-Westside posts. His were some of the few posts that I felt obliged to answer. The reason being that I knew he would get little help if I didnt jump in.

Finally, to mimic Solids thoughts concerning peoples attitudes to him.......or in my case, attitudes towards me. I would hope that somebody would hold the opinion of people with a proven track record above mine. I cant lift for shit......my numbers are on AR if you dont believe me . I sure as hell dont know anything about equipment.......and I am quite inexperienced. I am one of the people who should be asking and listening instead of talking. Maybe people are mixing up respecting somebody as a person and respecting somebody as a lifter. I respect people automatically (that doesnt always come across well ).....respecting somebody for their lifting or lifting knowledge is something different.

BTW Solid.....that is a great bench. And The Mann and Jay have helped me a great deal too. Without them I would be a poor lifter instead of a mediocre one hehehe.

Finally, Spatts you must be mixing me up with somebody else. I wont be at the Southern States (did I get that right?) unless somebody gets me a plane ticket. I'm in the UK.

 

[spatts]

I was referring to PLJ and Solid on that one. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

When I first came here I spent almost all my time on the women's board, and merely read other forums. Your posts were articulate, accurate, and helpful. Unlike other members, I value your posts irrespective of meet experience.

 

[Deciever1]

I just happen to be a guy that bench pressed 350lbs in the 165lb weight class, nothing extrodinary just something for me to brag about. .

wow man... thats an incredible bench..

 

[jeremys]

wow man... thats an incredible bench..

hell yes it is

i'm probably gonna end up weighing 350 and benching 165

 

[Screwball]

Hmmmmm, I have nothing constructive to say. This is a meaningless post on a meaningless thread so that I can "up" my post count.

 

[The Shadow]

fuck you for your little inside bullshit with Spatts about your "growing case"

Interesting as I was NOT referring to you...if you have a problem with me act like a man an pm me about it...till then pipe down Nancy

 

[Imnotdutch]

Hmmmmm, I have nothing constructive to say. This is a meaningless post on a meaningless thread so that I can "up" my post count.

I suppose you are after Karma too??