being GAY.

[dballer]

Musclebrains..
Daddy D'Z has bad service. I do not like to wait... so I do not eat there.

I like these...

No Name.. (a place in Dallas that has no name... )

Hiram Hickory House .. in Hiram

Bucky's... in Marietta

Fat Matt's.. for the Brunswick and the Chicken Shack (the friend fish is awesome)

The Pink Pig (the one you love to hate)

these are my top five. The one in Dallas is a hole in the wall. I fyou like good homade BBQ... this is the place. One kind of sauce... an old lady with a cigarette chopping up the meat... this is REAL BBQ!!! If you are into eating here.. let me know, I will give you directions.

I also like the ones on your list.. except Daddy D'Z.. I waited there once for 30 minutes for a sweet tea.. maybe someone else.. but not me. I do not wait.

essentially yes.

Yes... but FACTUALLY it is true.

It does not mean that all gay men have AIDS.. but the facts are the facts.

If you proclaim your (men)strength is greater that that of a woman.. you are a woman hater... but factually it is true.

 

[buddy28]

Very true in my experience, Buddy. In encounter groups I've run, there often arrives the moment when the stereotyper realizes that he has been blind to the other in his individuality. In connecting to the "real" person, there's always a flash of grief on realizing that you've denied yourself connection of depth to people on a trivial difference.

yep. Pretty amazing. Its the big "ah-ha! Ive really fucked up" moment

 

[buddy28]

No, the problem with stereotyping is not that they exist - the problem with stereotyping is that people foolishless let negative stereotypes affect them.

thats one of the problems associated with sterotyping. Another *MAJOR* problem associated with sterotyping is people actually begin to believe, then *act*, on the sterotypes theyve constructed. Discrimination and unfair treatment result.

Ex.

1950's, southern US states. All blacks are stupid ass dirty nigers. Sterotype. Whites then treat all blacks indignantly and with disdain, based on the assumption, the sterotype, that blacks have less worth than whites. Blacks are harrassed, spit on, beaten up, killed, raped.

Ex.

All blacks are criminals. Sterotype. Racial profiling and police harrassment of innocent ethnic minoritys follows.


People sterotype everyday. Its impossible not too. Humans are adept at creating generalizations of peoples expected behavour and personality composition based on past interactions with people who exhibit similar social idiosyncracies. The trick, is *choosing* to approach each person with an open mind, to assume that their past experiences cannot be known, therefore, successfullly "pigeon holing" a person, or sterotyping them, will never accurately assess an individuals true motivations and personality.

Benefits of sterotyping
1) its fast
2) its easy
3) it requires little objective thought
4) it reinforces the idea of superior sterotyper intelligence

Caveats of sterotyping
1) it demeans the sterotyper by reducing the immutable worth of another human being.
2) it perpetuates social stigmas associated with belonging to an marginalized social group - which leads to discrimintory and prejudicial behavour by people who participate in forming and perpetuating sterotypes.
3) it creates distention and conflict between the sterotyper and sterotyped group which reduces potential life happiness enjoyed by both parties.

can anyone add to this?

 

[spentagn]

I finally clicked on this thread, skimmed over most of it, and realized one thing: This has to be one of the most brutal and heated threads I've seen. Continue.


p.s. I would respond to the original question, but frankly, I can't remember what it was.

 

[HappyScrappy]

buddy28 - have you read A Demon Haunted World? it seems I write of that book every other post of mine - but it has some excellent points on a wide variety of things that should require logical thinking, but the everyday person tends not to use that in the instances where they come up.
one of them being sterotyping and he (Carl Sagan) makes points very similar to what you say here.

 

[Code]

Well, by it's very nature, a stereotype is an assumption based on little or no evidence.

We all base some amount of decisions on a stereotype, it's unavoidable.

Where the problem arises is when your bias are plainly obvious, they makes others uncomfortable or you rely on stereotypes to the exclusion of anectdotal evidence. Or even worse, your bias makes life easier for you at the expense of others.

Also, it hasn't been mentioned, but ALL cultures/races/denominations are stereotyped, including the white male. With that being said, the white male very often is forced to lie and/or downplay his persona when dealing with the more common victims of stereotypes.

 

[musclebrains]

Musclebrains..
Daddy D'Z has bad service. I do not like to wait... so I do not eat there.

I like these...

No Name.. (a place in Dallas that has no name... )

Hiram Hickory House .. in Hiram

Bucky's... in Marietta

Fat Matt's.. for the Brunswick and the Chicken Shack (the friend fish is awesome)

The Pink Pig (the one you love to hate)

these are my top five. The one in Dallas is a hole in the wall. I fyou like good homade BBQ... this is the place. One kind of sauce... an old lady with a cigarette chopping up the meat... this is REAL BBQ!!! If you are into eating here.. let me know, I will give you directions.

I also like the ones on your list.. except Daddy D'Z.. I waited there once for 30 minutes for a sweet tea.. maybe someone else.. but not me. I do not wait....

I always call ahead. I live less than a mile from them and, although I like Matt's barbecue, I think his ribs are way fatty compared to Daddy Dz.

What I haven't been able to find lately is NC-style barbecue, made with a vinegar/mustard base like my uncle, King of the Outer Banks Barbecue, used to make. Dusty's used to be NC-style but reverted to using tomatoes and ketchup.

I tell you whose sucks and that's Sonny's on Cheshire Bridge. Big garbage.

 

[spentagn]

The best BBQ in the state of Texas is at Kreutze's (sp?). Dballer, if you're ever down here, I'll take ya there. Mb, your beloved Texas Monthly actually agrees with me on this one and ranked it the best in the state.

 

[buddy28]

buddy28 - have you read A Demon Haunted World? it seems I write of that book every other post of mine - but it has some excellent points on a wide variety of things that should require logical thinking, but the everyday person tends not to use that in the instances where they come up.
one of them being sterotyping and he (Carl Sagan) makes points very similar to what you say here.

yea, man. I plan to read it. I have noticed u bring it up Demon Haunted World quite a bit , but I bet its a good book. Ive heard alot of people, other than urself, talk highly of the book. Im looking forward to reading it.

Right now Im reading The Seat Of The Soul, by Gary Zoukoff. Its alright. He has insightfull understanding of why the human race is predisposed to inter species conflict and suffering ect..... but he also assumes unprovable theistic docterines like reincarnation, something I dont beleive in. But hey, its a decent book.

Ill let you know what I think of Demon Haunted World when i get around to reading it.

 

[musclebrains]

The best BBQ in the state of Texas is at Kreutze's (sp?). Dballer, if you're ever down here, I'll take ya there. Mb, your beloved Texas Monthly actually agrees with me on this one and ranked it the best in the state.

I like Texas barbecue. even though it kills and cooks the wrong animal. Of course the classic barbecue scene to end all barbecue scenes was in Giant, when Liz Taylor, out of place in Tejas, was offered a mouthful of brains out on the range.