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Before AAS and After

Ben Dovergurl said:
looks good bro, you toned up alot, time for some tren. :evil:
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thanks bro, hehe im 1 week into tren in the last 2 pics =) 100mg tren/testprop/mast ED injects. we will see how this will work... =P I love Tren but aggression/argumentiveness has already caused me to lose my girlfriend again lol.
 
Good for you bro, but if I were you I would have trained longer natural before hitting the gear. My advice now that you have already started using gear would be to run a simple test cycle with a good AI and diet and cardio your ass off. You should really be near 8-10% bf before you use gear. But, since you have made the jump, I would run a cycle to maintain muscle while dieting. Theres no need to tren and masteron at your stage in the game bro.
 
yea am with vascular freak should have been training longer natural. Why dont you throw in some eca stack 3 times a day 30mins before meals that will help a lot but diet is the key to everything and u have to do cardio
 
Yes I am young, 21. Started on my 21st birthday , did jump on a bit soon but am a impatient guy. =) No that is not my natural progress, thats after a deca+test and a simple test cycle. Thanks guys!
 
Liquid2006 said:
Yes I am young, 21. Started on my 21st birthday , did jump on a bit soon but am a impatient guy. =) No that is not my natural progress, thats after a deca+test and a simple test cycle. Thanks guys!
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jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.
 
jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.
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Word, I thought this was a joke. Sorry.
 
bro, I dont mean any disrespect but you need to get your diet and training straight. You dont need drugs to make the kind of progress that you made.

NO OFFENCE
 
needtogetas said:
here we go.
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just another example of a young kid turning to steroids without much weight training experience (I am assuming). Gains could have been easily achieved without AS

that is just my $0.02
 
NickyE3 said:
just another example of a young kid turning to steroids without much weight training experience (I am assuming). Gains could have been easily achieved without AS

that is just my $0.02
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no I ment every one bashing on him.lets face it it ant helping any one bashing on him.fact is I think he mad some good gains.could he have made them natty.yes would it have taken him longer yes.he is were he is now so lets move on and help the kid out.
 
If you train legs, do you have any pics?

Needtogetas makes a valid point. He did them and it's over with.
 
UFC22 said:
If you train legs, do you have any pics?

Needtogetas makes a valid point. He did them and it's over with.
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i agree in part... yes he did them, yes they are over, but to just slap him on the back and say great job is misleading... without being total dick heads, i think part of the vets/older guys job, is telling it like it is. And taking juice when you look like you havent lifted a weight and then two cycles later, not looking any better just slightly bigger, well thats a bad idea... so lets not encourage him to continue to make mistakes.

Liquid... spend some time reading the lifting forum and put the needle down.. you are in the middle of your third cycle and now you are getting into some pretty hard shit.. i mean tren and mast? that masteron isnt going to do shit for you first of all. And as you can see, your other cycles didnt really either, there is SO much u can learn to maximize your gains. I mean what are your stats? height/weight/ 5RM in the big lifts... before and after...

If you were benching much more than 135 in that first pic i would be VERY surprised... if you squat at all i would be even more surprised... juice isnt the cure all for lack of work ethic.

This thread is exactly what Quadsweep's earlier rant was talking about... i mean come on bro....
 
so let me guess, everyone bashing him: you all did everything perfect before starting aas,you trained to your natural limit and waited untill you were 25-27

and now youve done a couple cycles and now your a pro bb 240lbs and less than 4% bf right? oh your not? then stfu!
damn he made progress and posted his pics, why doesnt everyone who had something negative to say about what hes doing post your pics.

anyways to the orig. poster congrats and dont stop youve deff. made good gains but there are still much more to make.
 
Not at all am I trying to bash bro, Yes you are lots more thicker but I think you could of pulled it of without AAS bro...... In less time too.... Being your only 21 your body has plenty of natural test a male makes high test to about age 25, I would never recommend anyone touch gear before 25 it is not a smart thing to do. But you already have so I guess it is to late, so I do wont to say this, now its time to get your Diet and Training in check so the gear pays off for you...........

What is your stats bro.
What is your training like.
What is your diet like.
 
get456 said:
This thread is exactly what Quadsweep's earlier rant was talking about... i mean come on bro....
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heres one of the biggest probs with this board some vet and or respected members rants about something that personally bothers him and all of a sudden theres a wave of ball suckers.

countless individuals unable to think for them selves, and happy as hell to jump on "the big mans " coat tails if only to please him enough to get some sort of attention or recognition from this big man and then theyll feel validated and of some importance.

then the idea that the original poster or "ranter " if you will, posted about becomes message board law and people that dont even know where the original info came from accept it as fact and even though THEY are the ones the info was meant for, they start preaching it just to feel like they know something then they even convince themselves that they actually believe it.


so i say DONT BE A BALL SUCKER!
 
210toosmall said:
so let me guess, everyone bashing him: you all did everything perfect before starting aas,you trained to your natural limit and waited untill you were 25-27

damn he made progress and posted his pics, why doesnt everyone who had something negative to say about what hes doing post your pics.

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Ill respond to that...

fuck no... i was the same way when i started.. eager, and started early... I had only put on about 30 lbs naturally and lifted for about 18 months when i started... BUT I put on 50lbs in three cycles... im not gods gift to steroids, or BB, or anything else for that matter... but im damn well able to look at myself honestly at say i did "x" right or "y" wrong...

Ive learned more in the last 6 months about lifting and about my body than i had ever known before, and 100% honestly, if i had it to do over again, i wouldnt have touched anything for at least another year, maybe two and i would have been much more consistent about lifting and not done the ups and downs that i always have.

as for pictures.. im happy to put up what ive done...

i stopped lifting for two years and got FAT... i was 175lbs in the fat picture, and about 188 in the other pic. That progress is LESS than 500mg of test per week for 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, so in 16 weeks (june 22nd to october 29th), i did this to my fat ass:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/4monthprogress.jpg
 
210toosmall said:
so i say DONT BE A BALL SUCKER!
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your a fucking dickhead... i could give a shit who wrote the rant, the fact is THIS poster, LIQUID, is exactly what the rant was about.... do u agree or disagree?
 
get456 said:
Ill respond to that...

fuck no... i was the same way when i started.. eager, and started early... I had only put on about 30 lbs naturally and lifted for about 18 months when i started... BUT I put on 50lbs in three cycles... im not gods gift to steroids, or BB, or anything else for that matter... but im damn well able to look at myself honestly at say i did "x" right or "y" wrong...

Ive learned more in the last 6 months about lifting and about my body than i had ever known before, and 100% honestly, if i had it to do over again, i wouldnt have touched anything for at least another year, maybe two and i would have been much more consistent about lifting and not done the ups and downs that i always have.

as for pictures.. im happy to put up what ive done...



i stopped lifting for two years and got FAT... i was 175lbs in the fat picture, and about 188 in the other pic. That progress is LESS than 500mg of test per week for 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on, so in 16 weeks, i did this to my fat ass:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/4monthprogress.jpg
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congrats on your progress!
having read this i cant understand why you took the position with him that you did.
you seemingly have been in similar scenario and one would think that having been there yourself you would have more of an inclination to help him with where hes going rather than where hes been. jmo
 
get456 said:
your a fucking dickhead... i could give a shit who wrote the rant, the fact is THIS poster, LIQUID, is exactly what the rant was about.... do u agree or disagree?
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your proving my point right now!
it wasnt your rant!

i dont care WHO the rant was suppose to be about it wasnt my rant.
and im not going to jump on the band wagon.
because of that rant there is going to be many more threads like this one where some newbie asks a question and all the so called vets or "VET AFFILIATES" can jump on him and say " see this is what quad was talking about"

how about trying to HELP?
if you dont know wtf your doing then ignore the thread and dont post any thing! huh? how about that?
 
210toosmall said:
congrats on your progress!
having read this i cant understand why you took the position with him that you did.
you seemingly have been in similar scenario and one would think that having been there yourself you would have more of an inclination to help him with where hes going rather than where hes been. jmo
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I know we are kind of going off on a tangent here, but ur right... i have the inclination to help him... which in my mind, doesnt include holding his hand and patting his back for lackluster progress after jumping on gear with no base to go from.

Help is setting the truth down in front of someone IMO. And the truth is, he has a lot to learn about lifting and diet (obviously)..... in fact his choice of getting on now would be just fine, if he actually made progress. That is the deciding factor to me, being prepared for juice to me isnt just how long you;ve been training or how old you are, its the results and commitment you have.

Someone that is 30 and showed the same results would be no better prepared than LIQUID is at 20... where as a 19 year old could have 10000 times the knowledge and ability to apply it, and therefore get WAY better results... and maybe that 19 year old had only been training for 6 months.

hand holding is for little kids and frail old people... neither of which are on this board.... if you are gonna make a big kid move like getting on gear, then you should be prepared for it with the ability to maximize your gains.
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---- also i just want to say that i wasnt really slamming him or intending to, only saying that he has a lot to learn and should really rethink doing another cycle, especially his current one... I think becuase you and i were going back and forth it looks like i was like attacking LIQUID... all i was saying was this

get456 said:
jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.
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which i stick to.

Also LIQUID, several of us asked for your stats and lifts before and after and diet... posting those up would def help with pin pointing exactly why you didnt make the progress you should have
 
get456 said:
jesus bro, thats AFTER TWO cycles?

i think that is a great testament to how juice doesnt fix everything, you have to know how to eat and train.
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That's exactly how I feel. Just another example of lazyness. PURE LAZYNESS!!
 
I trained for only a year natural*I know it doesnt really show*, before jumping onto AAS. Do I regret it no, do I give 2 shits if someone flames me? no. Do I realize I could of maximized my potential and recieved the same results without gear in a longer period of time? yes. Do I wanna wait? no. Ive done my research on here and made quite a few friends from the summer till now. You guys know who you are.

Yes I have always squatted. Currently squatting 360 , Benching 270. Played soccer for 11 years of my life my hammies never shrunk*probably the biggest muscles I have* , calves did a bit though but I do not neglect them...

Currently
186lbs 5'9

Diet:
For the bulker was a horrible diet eating everything in sight. But was taking in 3000+ cals a day

Currently im trying to cut up a bit, less carbs more protien and even more cardio.

Chicken,Broc,Cashews,Chili,Spinach/Salad,Egg whites etc etc..
Don't have an exact calorie count..

And for people to say theres no noticable improvement, I let the people in my daily life who have known me for years when I was a 125lb freshman in highschool make the real judgement just wanted to share and get advice not cause a war=)
Since I don't care about what a online-ego has to say. What matters is I am happy and I'll stick to it, and continue to get my bloodwork done. Until a problem arises I see no point in stopping.. Thanks again! :)
 
Good work to the original poster. I don't like the route you chose but solid effort. Keep learning and learning and training and dieting and you'll get there.

One gripe. Learn about every AAS in depth before you take them. If you would have studied MAsteron you wouldn't have spent the $ for it considering it really doesn't do anything if you have a higher bf%

Good luck, feel free to ask anything
 
you dont seem like a bad guy at all. so thats good :)

Other feedback:
your b/f is extremely high, i would guess you would caliper test 20% or higher, not that matters one way or another, just an observation
3K calories and "eating everything in sight" that is another really telling statement-
here is a 3K calorie day for me:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/xxxlifterxxx/Dec4-trainingday.jpg (done in fitday)

if you are eating garbage to get to only 3K calories, well, you can see the result
you can do so much better than that, it just takes being disciplined and eating the things you need to eat, thats all, and you would see HUGE improvements, probably without doing a bit of cardio

Like I siad before, come over to the weightlifting forum and take a peek around there, specifically the 5x5 info or similar, there is a LOT to learn there and your gains would be a heck of a lot better with a good training and diet plan :)
 
good job, bro. time to build. youve laid the foundation, clean up your diet, more cardio, and hard work.(the hardest is diet imo) youll reach your goals. but u should drop your bf% before you waste any more $crilla.
 
The gains you made could of easily be made with out the gear and with proper training and diet. Not flamming you at all bro, just pointing out.
 
you coulda made the same gains in prolly close to the same amount of time with better training and diet.

im so glad i couldnt find juice for the first 4 years of my training. good job on the progress, but look towards your diet and training if you really want to explode.
 
Liquid2006 said:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2693547370078810777NSLuKl = Before

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2714305720078810777JvbVph = After #1

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2441083920078810777SyfwFQ = After #2

This is since joining EF.com in the summer of 06 till now. Any suggestions? Comments? Flames? All appreciated.. :p :p
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So in 6 months you finished 2 cycles, 2 PCTs and had enough time inbetween the cycles and are now on 3rd cycle? With those cycles under your belt you should look a lot better than what you currently do.
 
Liquid2006 said:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2693547370078810777NSLuKl = Before

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2714305720078810777JvbVph = After #1

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2441083920078810777SyfwFQ = After #2

This is since joining EF.com in the summer of 06 till now. Any suggestions? Comments? Flames? All appreciated.. :p :p
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got a lot more gaining to do.you do need to get your diet on point thats key right there.go do the research check out a lot on diet and training really kick it up and keep up the good work.looking at the before pic and what you started with and looking at the after no one here can say you did not make some good gains.yes you should have watted.you know I was the first person to tell you that a long time ago.also told you the training and diet was key.
but you are getting bigger and I can also see that your bf% has gon down to.
I would also like to say you need to take more time off between cycles to witch i have said before but you allready started the cycle so I realy have no idie how to advice some one how to stop a cycle maby some one here can.
so I would just say eat better.if nothing else do every thing you can learn all you can and eat and train better and harder.go all out or dont go at all.
 
Thanks again guys! Im always learning, I never wanna stop learning.. I spend hours upon hours on the forums , perhaps I should jump over to the other sections =P


-Liquid :)
 
19, Natural and I've been lifting for 1.5 years, you need to start lifting heavy and eating enough food.
 
Excellent advice all around - its a hard thing to say to a 21 yr old w/ the highest natural test production of his life underway, to say - sure shut off your natural test production for some exogenous sources, go for it ... but it is a done deal., you've made gains, got some experience. Now don't look for "Hey guys what should my next cycle be."

Instead take what you've learned and start to focus on what you can do in the gym & more specifically w/ the diet. I think I read somewhere that Quad's bulkers are more like 6000 calories... I had a decent 20 yrs of lifting under my belt and did my first comeptition at age 35 -- it was still the diet that first got my to my strongest lifts ever and then cut me up NATURALLY to below 8% bf. Its the diet that will be your best friend & your best tool going forward. The thing to learn here is that now that you've past the point about being impatient to run a cycle to not be the skinny guy anymore, use that as your new foundation and learn how to tweak it to get lean so your next cycle, when appropriate, will have a solid base to build on and will work better w/ lower bodyfat. A more well-planned diet will get you a more productive bulker and it wont' be all about the cycle. You can lose your gains from a cycle if your lifestyle doesn't support it. You can't always rely on the drugs to get you what you want. The accumulated effect will come back to bite you in the ass at some point whether you expect it or not.

To quad's rant - you were exactly the guy he was talking about, but you've gotten gains, its done & over, you've learned the basics of cycling (& I hope to God, the basics of PCT...). So here's where you have the chance to now focus on & learn the basics of excellent diet & training so your next cycle isn't one that is more aggressive w/ wilder compounds at higher doses, but rather a more measured cycle that has the support of diet geared specifically for your goals and training that is tight & even more perfected to leverage the whole program for your goals. Now you begin to cycle intelligently instead of aggressively.
 
where to start Liquid I just dunno.
Ok, well its apparent you are determined. You are bigger than you were, which would NOT be hard considering you had nothing but gains in front of you at 165lb. But you don't seem to have much in vascularity or hardness. Beefier, yes; harder, no. You said you were an athlete (soccer I think u mentioned) and so I would expect a tighter waistline from a daunting aerobic sport like soccer in your before pics. Did you play goalie? No joke, just asking.

Couldn't help noticed you got a TAT to go along with your "gains." C'mon man. Thats just adding to the stigma. You seem like cool cat, got a good personality, have ambition and all the traits for a good bro, but forget that Tren for now!! Get the diet right. Creatine/Protein/Glutamine/Arginine/NOS and training/diet will bridge you till your next cycle.

lastly, couldn't help notice got some pretty bad bacne from your cycle. You need to deal with that ASAP. Do NOT take tren if you have bacne already. You will get cystic lumps that take a long time to go away.

Take some AI's and anti-e and clean out your receptors. Train naturally for 2 months and dial in the diet and then plan the next cycle accordingly.
 
210toosmall said:
heres one of the biggest probs with this board some vet and or respected members rants about something that personally bothers him and all of a sudden theres a wave of ball suckers.

countless individuals unable to think for them selves, and happy as hell to jump on "the big mans " coat tails if only to please him enough to get some sort of attention or recognition from this big man and then theyll feel validated and of some importance.

then the idea that the original poster or "ranter " if you will, posted about becomes message board law and people that dont even know where the original info came from accept it as fact and even though THEY are the ones the info was meant for, they start preaching it just to feel like they know something then they even convince themselves that they actually believe it.


so i say DONT BE A BALL SUCKER!
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I'm with you bro. K your way. You're a strait up nuck.


Also good posts by Diamond Cut Cows and OFF SAFETY.

3 solid stand up bros with great posts.


anyways LIQUID, you know what you have to do now. get that diet and training down to a T and keep gettin after it.
 
I think Tren and Masteron are way too toxic for a newbie to be using. Do your research . Less is more. TRain,Eat ,Grow!
 
Proper diet and training are more important than gear.I've trained people who have made gains like you but did it natural because they got their diet and training right. Yes,you made gains but I don't see the need for gear when it's not needed.
 
Who Can Help Bit Of Begginer Advice Am Looking To Take A First Cycle Of Dec And Stanon Reseached As Much As Poss But So Conflicting Any Help Be Great Ps Sorry About Spelling
 
begginer27 said:
Who Can Help Bit Of Begginer Advice Am Looking To Take A First Cycle Of Dec And Stanon Reseached As Much As Poss But So Conflicting Any Help Be Great Ps Sorry About Spelling
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Click the "new thread" button and create your own topic. Or just run Test E/C 500mg/wk for 10 weeks. LOL
 
iHulk said:
where to start Liquid I just dunno.
Ok, well its apparent you are determined. You are bigger than you were, which would NOT be hard considering you had nothing but gains in front of you at 165lb. But you don't seem to have much in vascularity or hardness. Beefier, yes; harder, no. You said you were an athlete (soccer I think u mentioned) and so I would expect a tighter waistline from a daunting aerobic sport like soccer in your before pics. Did you play goalie? No joke, just asking.

Couldn't help noticed you got a TAT to go along with your "gains." C'mon man. Thats just adding to the stigma. You seem like cool cat, got a good personality, have ambition and all the traits for a good bro, but forget that Tren for now!! Get the diet right. Creatine/Protein/Glutamine/Arginine/NOS and training/diet will bridge you till your next cycle.

lastly, couldn't help notice got some pretty bad bacne from your cycle. You need to deal with that ASAP. Do NOT take tren if you have bacne already. You will get cystic lumps that take a long time to go away.

Take some AI's and anti-e and clean out your receptors. Train naturally for 2 months and dial in the diet and then plan the next cycle accordingly.
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Got a TAT to go along with my gains? Don't know exactly what you mean by that but I am assuming a tattoo? if thats the case ive had my tattoos long before I touched gear all together. Yes I played soccer , no not goalie , left forward/half-back for many years but I started at age 6 and stopped at age like 16-17 and started smoking lots and lots of marijuana and got lazy+fat. But Thanks for the advice though. The same goes to everyone else for there input! If I didnt answer any questions previously asked sorry , and yes no need to say the same damn thing that you can get the same results without using gear just for a post count. I realize.... I live my life you live yours =)

-Liquid
 
Liquid2006 said:
Got a TAT to go along with my gains? Don't know exactly what you mean by that but I am assuming a tattoo? if thats the case ive had my tattoos long before I touched gear all together. Yes I played soccer , no not goalie , left forward/half-back for many years but I started at age 6 and stopped at age like 16-17 and started smoking lots and lots of marijuana and got lazy+fat. But Thanks for the advice though. The same goes to everyone else for there input! If I didnt answer any questions previously asked sorry , and yes no need to say the same damn thing that you can get the same results without using gear just for a post count. I realize.... I live my life you live yours =)

-Liquid
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LOL! (ah, life on a muscle board...)
 
Sassy69 said:
Excellent advice all around - its a hard thing to say to a 21 yr old w/ the highest natural test production of his life underway, to say - sure shut off your natural test production for some exogenous sources, go for it ... but it is a done deal., you've made gains, got some experience. Now don't look for "Hey guys what should my next cycle be."

Instead take what you've learned and start to focus on what you can do in the gym & more specifically w/ the diet. I think I read somewhere that Quad's bulkers are more like 6000 calories... I had a decent 20 yrs of lifting under my belt and did my first comeptition at age 35 -- it was still the diet that first got my to my strongest lifts ever and then cut me up NATURALLY to below 8% bf. Its the diet that will be your best friend & your best tool going forward. The thing to learn here is that now that you've past the point about being impatient to run a cycle to not be the skinny guy anymore, use that as your new foundation and learn how to tweak it to get lean so your next cycle, when appropriate, will have a solid base to build on and will work better w/ lower bodyfat. A more well-planned diet will get you a more productive bulker and it wont' be all about the cycle. You can lose your gains from a cycle if your lifestyle doesn't support it. You can't always rely on the drugs to get you what you want. The accumulated effect will come back to bite you in the ass at some point whether you expect it or not.

To quad's rant - you were exactly the guy he was talking about, but you've gotten gains, its done & over, you've learned the basics of cycling (& I hope to God, the basics of PCT...). So here's where you have the chance to now focus on & learn the basics of excellent diet & training so your next cycle isn't one that is more aggressive w/ wilder compounds at higher doses, but rather a more measured cycle that has the support of diet geared specifically for your goals and training that is tight & even more perfected to leverage the whole program for your goals. Now you begin to cycle intelligently instead of aggressively.
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best post in here.
 
Neo22 said:
I think if you knew how to train you would like 2x a good. You shouldn't juice again for AWHILE.
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i agree with this, when this cycles over bro, I would get bloodwork and try to recover that natty test, keep getting bloodwork and see if you can get your level back to good mod to high levels, then as everyone else says, dial in the training and diet.

I also agree that you made decent gains. I don't think they look like gains made from the aas because you don't look that much bigger.

I do like the drive you got and never fucking stop. I weight lifted in high school some, and some here and there in my 20's, and then hit it 3 years solid before somehow deciding to try aas. at 29 I couldn't make lbm gains. my strength plataued and that was it. What I'm saying is try to get your natty test back and work hard to use what you got, and then when it doesn't work at all anymore, by that time you'll know how to eat, jump on some shit and fucking go.

I wish I woulda known all this shit when i was your age, i wouldn't been taking rec drugs and wasting away. Well, I wouldn't been sitting around all the time anyways. hehe. maybe woulda took drugs.

500mg test enanthate or cyp a week is the shit.
 
needtogetas said:
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Agreed, and will take it all in Sassy. Same to you Jager thanks for the input.. and thanks to NeedTo for always being there also.. and everyone that commented other then the repeated "those gains could of come from regular eating and training"

In the world we live in where more is better, cars , houses , women , money , drugs and if money isnt a object at the time why not spend and run ridiculous cycles.. If you can afford it , do it, is how I was looking at it I guess.. This is the drug addict talking in me.

I guess my philosophy on the whole situation is WRONG =P

Sometimes Less=Best ;)

Thanks all!
:martini:
 
All i was interested in at your age was weed and beer , coke,etc. i didn't start lifting till 32 and it took me away from the druggies, that and having to raise my 2 yr old son by myself led me in another direction. just keep lifting dude. there a lot worse things this guy could be taking out there today. just by lifting he's basically heading in a better direction
 
ole farte' said:
All i was interested in at your age was weed and beer , coke,etc. i didn't start lifting till 32 and it took me away from the druggies, that and having to raise my 2 yr old son by myself led me in another direction. just keep lifting dude. there a lot worse things this guy could be taking out there today. just by lifting he's basically heading in a better direction
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hehe, that happened to me at 27, we got alotta similarities bro.

good attitude liquid. if you already started i would finish the cycle. the most important thing here that people are saying is that you were doing something wrong, IE

food, sleep, training, because those gains don't look like you ran a cycle. I'm not trying to offend you either bro. Just saying.

alotta guys started at your age or earlier, so if you continue to cycle everyone will understand, but get those other three things in order so that you maximize the use of the juice, otherwise your gaining like you would naturally with food and shit.

I forgot to mention too, as far as the fat, I got more fat than you bro, don't worry about that, just keep trying to shed it, it's all we can do bro, but i'll tellyou this, I have more fat than you and these 6%'s here can't tell me shit about running juice, because i turn ladies heads everywhere i go now, 2 cycles under my belt and my whole body has changed drastically bro. and if your not gonna be on stage then the only other important thing is the ladies and how you like how you look.
 
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