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'Baseball is British'

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Historians in Surrey have documentary proof that the game was being played in the UK before America.

A diary entry which talks about a game played in Guildford, Surrey in 1755 has been verified as authentic by the Surrey History Centre.

The handwritten entry was discovered in the diary of lawyer William Bray and documents a game with friends on Easter Monday of that year when he was still a teenager. It reads: "Went to Stoke church this morn.- After dinner, went to Miss Jeale's to play at base ball with her the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford and H. Parsons. Drank tea and stayed til 8."

Surrey County Council have written to Major League Baseball, the governing body of the sport in the US, to inform them of the find.

They say the MLB has accepted that the diary, found in a shed near Guildford by local historian Tricia St John Barry, contains the earliest known manuscript reference to baseball in the world.

It had been thought that the game which is one of America's biggest and most popular sports began in the 1790s.

Julian Pooley, the manager of Surrey History Centre, was able to verify that the document was genuine because he is an expert on Bray and is responsible for a vast array of diaries written by the solicitor and local historian between 1756 and 1832.

He has worked closely with MLB on the production of a documentary film tracing the origins of the game called Base Ball Discovered.

The Centre has been in regular contact with the makers to supply background information on and images of Bray as well as copies of manuscripts.

Helyn Clack, executive member for Safer and Stronger Communities at Surrey County Council, said: "Baseball is an integral part of American life and this news about a national obsession in the US, where homegrown sports have traditionally dominated, will reverberate far and wide.

"It is a game steeped in history and now Surrey County Council's History Centre and an inquisitive local historian have provided the earliest manuscript proof that the game the Americans gave to the world came from England."

A digital copy of the manuscript that refers to baseball is due to go on display at Surrey History Centre in Woking along with documents containing some of the earliest references to cricket.

Major League Baseball told: Your sport is British, not American - Telegraph

:Chef: If you were going to steal a sport you coulda stole one of the good ones like football or rugby.
 
I know that, you know that, the studiers know that but don't dare try tell these Americans that their sport was actually ours first!
 
seeing as it is possibly the shittest, most boring sport ever invented, i would not be proud to say we invented it. let them have it.
 
Well, that explains why it sux...can you take it back? Can the Scots take golf too, it's more interesting to watch the grass grow.
 
The only way baseball or golf could possibly be interesting is if the participants started going at it laldy with one another with the clubs / bats.
 
Historians in Surrey have documentary proof that the game was being played in the UK before America.

A diary entry which talks about a game played in Guildford, Surrey in 1755 has been verified as authentic by the Surrey History Centre.

The handwritten entry was discovered in the diary of lawyer William Bray and documents a game with friends on Easter Monday of that year when he was still a teenager. It reads: "Went to Stoke church this morn.- After dinner, went to Miss Jeale's to play at base ball with her the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford and H. Parsons. Drank tea and stayed til 8."

Surrey County Council have written to Major League Baseball, the governing body of the sport in the US, to inform them of the find.

They say the MLB has accepted that the diary, found in a shed near Guildford by local historian Tricia St John Barry, contains the earliest known manuscript reference to baseball in the world.

It had been thought that the game which is one of America's biggest and most popular sports began in the 1790s.

Julian Pooley, the manager of Surrey History Centre, was able to verify that the document was genuine because he is an expert on Bray and is responsible for a vast array of diaries written by the solicitor and local historian between 1756 and 1832.

He has worked closely with MLB on the production of a documentary film tracing the origins of the game called Base Ball Discovered.

The Centre has been in regular contact with the makers to supply background information on and images of Bray as well as copies of manuscripts.

Helyn Clack, executive member for Safer and Stronger Communities at Surrey County Council, said: "Baseball is an integral part of American life and this news about a national obsession in the US, where homegrown sports have traditionally dominated, will reverberate far and wide.

"It is a game steeped in history and now Surrey County Council's History Centre and an inquisitive local historian have provided the earliest manuscript proof that the game the Americans gave to the world came from England."

A digital copy of the manuscript that refers to baseball is due to go on display at Surrey History Centre in Woking along with documents containing some of the earliest references to cricket.

Major League Baseball told: Your sport is British, not American - Telegraph

:Chef: If you were going to steal a sport you coulda stole one of the good ones like football or rugby.

You are a wind up merchant aren't ya luv.

:)
 
The majority of world sports orginated from Britain in some form.

Baseball is a dumbed down version of cricket. I've desperately tried to get into it but can't.
 
When was the last time Americans won the world cricket title? How about soccer? Curling? :)

how about name some 'real' sports. some that are actually being mass marketed and televised around the world.
when did cricket have player cards and entice children to dreaming of playing cricket? come on bub

im talkin about football (nfl) not bull cfl.- mlb best baseball players around the world to play here. nba-


do we need more ex's
 
how about name some 'real' sports. some that are actually being mass marketed and televised around the world.
when did cricket have player cards and entice children to dreaming of playing cricket? come on bub

im talkin about football (nfl) not bull cfl.- mlb best baseball players around the world to play here. nba-


do we need more ex's

Soccer...the most popular sport in the world.
 
how about name some 'real' sports. some that are actually being mass marketed and televised around the world.
when did cricket have player cards and entice children to dreaming of playing cricket? come on bub

im talkin about football (nfl) not bull cfl.- mlb best baseball players around the world to play here. nba-


do we need more ex's

sorry mate, but i have to chime in here. you said that "american athletes are the best in the world"
when somebody suggested sports that they are shit at, you say "no, what about football"-a sport that only americans play!
lolololol
 
how about name some 'real' sports. some that are actually being mass marketed and televised around the world.
when did cricket have player cards and entice children to dreaming of playing cricket? come on bub

im talkin about football (nfl) not bull cfl.- mlb best baseball players around the world to play here. nba-


do we need more ex's

lol at the immense ignorance.

Soccer most popular sports in the world, cricket 2nd most popular.
 
how about name some 'real' sports. some that are actually being mass marketed and televised around the world.
when did cricket have player cards and entice children to dreaming of playing cricket? come on bub

im talkin about football (nfl) not bull cfl.- mlb best baseball players around the world to play here. nba-


do we need more ex's

Cricket, rugby and football are immensely popular sports.

Over 100 countries play cricket

Over 120 countries play rugby

Over 200 coutries play football

One country plays American football. Canada has their own version.

I think American football is being introduced into the UK, I think we have one or two professional teams.
 
i mean lets take a nfl linebacker and a uk cricket player and see whos a better athlete

Ridiculous comparison.

Depends what athletic qualities you are looking for. Personally i find the atheleticism of professional fast bowlers in cricket amazing. Guys like Shoaib Ahktar and Brett Lee sprint all day long, day after day and deliver the ball at speeds up to 100mph (even with the ball slowing down as it hits the floor), by comparison a baseball pitch is very easy on the body. Many professional fast bowlers break their backs at some point in their career...think Brett Lee did it twice.

Obviously NFL's are bigger, stronger in ways specific to their sport but they would never have the endurance, power and skill specific to bowling.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hzni_dale-steyn_sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLBpABJwbg&feature=related
 
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