Barry Bonds bangs #714

[Dial_tone]

so regardless of whether he juiced in the past or not - if he bangs 40-50 this year (when he would have to be insane to juice with all the scrutiny) would you be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say 'ya know, maybe he would have gotten there anyway eventually'.

 

[the-short-one]

i don't care what he took. i like him. and if he is taking steroids, so are 90% of all the other damn players.

 

[chef_bone]

DT...Holla...You know my answer!

 

[mr. snakes]

so regardless of whether he juiced in the past or not - if he bangs 40-50 this year (when he would have to be insane to juice with all the scrutiny) would you be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say 'ya know, maybe he would have gotten there anyway eventually'.

Absolutely.!!!!!!!!! I give him the benefit of the doubt .........................

 

[hamstershaver]

i doubt he would have passed aaron or ruth without the juice, maybe he would have hit 600

 

[Dial_tone]

I think the difference with juice is about 15-20%. Lets say he started juicing in 2000, since thats when his numbers really jumped. He hit 258 2000-2004 then was hurt most of last year. Subtract 15% from 258 and you're still left with 219 so even with that scenario he'd be at 676 naturally.

Year Homers
1990 33
1991 25
1992 34
1993 46
1994 37
1995 33
1996 42
1997 40
1998 37
1999 34
2000 49
2001 73
2002 46
2003 45
2004 45
2005 5

 

[madbomber31]

assuming he was natty early in his career... we all know some gear doesnt bulk...

i dont care what he took, there is no evidence that babe didnt juice (or vice versa)...

 

[hamstershaver]

I think the difference with juice is about 15-20%. Lets say he started juicing in 2000, since thats when his numbers really jumped. He hit 258 2000-2004 then was hurt most of last year. Subtract 15% from 258 and you're still left with 219 so even with that scenario he'd be at 676 naturally.

Year Homers
1990 33
1991 25
1992 34
1993 46
1994 37
1995 33
1996 42
1997 40
1998 37
1999 34
2000 49
2001 73
2002 46
2003 45
2004 45
2005 5

your 15% is way off base
pre 2000 bonds averaged a hr every 15.7 at bats
2000 and on he averaged a hr every 8.4 at bats

 

[hamstershaver]

i dont care what he took, there is no evidence that babe didnt juice (or vice versa)...

that was seriously the dumbest thing ive ever read on chat and thats saying something

 

[Dial_tone]

your 15% is way off base
pre 2000 bonds averaged a hr every 15.7 at bats
2000 and on he averaged a hr every 8.4 at bats

Take out the first 5-6 years when he was still learning to read major league pitching and where would that leave him?