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Synpax

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I dislike how it emphasizes steriods. There are a lot of natty people here.

It has always been a good pace to get information about steriods and it is a big part of the value of EF. However, by emphasizing it - even putting it AHEAD of 'bodybuilding' - will make it seem much less like a place to get honest information than a places that advocates the use.

I am not talking about USERS or MODERATORS, but the site itself.

It also harms the value of the site for things other than steriods as this site is about SO MUCH MORE. The diet information. The workout information. Even the entrepreneur forum. Or the SEX forum.

I could conceivably have recommended this site to someone looking for just general fitness information before - yeah, there are forums that talk about doping but there is a lot of great info on losing weight or just what to do in the gym so you aren't wasting your time. But can I now refer the same person to the 'Steriods Mega Site!'

The new design devalues the site as a whole. Please change it. This is not Outlaw Muscle.
 
Synpax said:
I dislike how it emphasizes steriods. There are a lot of natty people here.

It has always been a good pace to get information about steriods and it is a big part of the value of EF. However, by emphasizing it - even putting it AHEAD of 'bodybuilding' - will make it seem much less like a place to get honest information than a places that advocates the use.

I am not talking about USERS or MODERATORS, but the site itself.

It also harms the value of the site for things other than steriods as this site is about SO MUCH MORE. The diet information. The workout information. Even the entrepreneur forum. Or the SEX forum.

I could conceivably have recommended this site to someone looking for just general fitness information before - yeah, there are forums that talk about doping but there is a lot of great info on losing weight or just what to do in the gym so you aren't wasting your time. But can I now refer the same person to the 'Steriods Mega Site!'

The new design devalues the site as a whole. Please change it. This is not Outlaw Muscle.
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You make good points bro, interesting to know what others will have to say..
 
I love the actual look, I just think it might invite more, "where can I find a source" posts.

We all know the more active members and forums are failry AS related. I just ahte to think that we're portrayed that way on the front page.
 
lowpro said:
I love the actual look, I just think it might invite more, "where can I find a source" posts.

We all know the more active members and forums are failry AS related. I just ahte to think that we're portrayed that way on the front page.
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Same here... I like it. I hope it doesnt lead to more "Where can I get my stuff, yo?!" threads. But to be honest, it seems like regardless, theres always somethin to cause a spike in those amount of posts... whether it be Spring Break etc, or somethin else.

overall I like the new look.
 
I like the new look but also agree with synpax as far as labels go. It should say something like the "bodybuilding\life extension information mega site" Just something a little more discreet. It doesn't help many of us who come here during work hours... In any event i'm still a loyal EF'er
 
Ulter said:
The new look will do all those things. I think it's supposed to though. Traffic is the name of the game and the lead term for that is steroids, not body building.
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So it's pretty much a source/supplier/product-bumping website first, and "fitness" second.
I understand $$$ has to play a factor in any business/website, but if my monthly dollars are going to simply promote your business/ageanda then I may have to think about this whole membership again.

This place has always welcomed people from "all" fitness aspects - and was built upon the $$$ and support of ALL it's members - AAS or not, so I consider it a bit selfish and pompus that you should now present this whole community in a brief statement calling this whole community (in a nutshell) a "game"

I really take offense to that.

Why does George and a couple of decent Mods denounce promotion of AAS sources, but use STEROID as the main word describing the site?

Why not just list it as a XXX site if all you are looking for is traffic.

Ulter - I know you've helped a lot of people over the years, and I can respect that, but don't forget the good bro's AAS or not who bought your products and "put" you where you are today.

PLEASE don't lump them ALL as simply a business transaction.

I think you and George owe it's members a little something more than a self promoting businessman.
 
fbodyguy02 said:
I like it. The website needed a facelift anyways. I don't see why you say it "emphasizes steriods"...
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Not that I truly care about the site "emphasizing steroids," - but since you brought it up :)

newsite.jpg


On any account - I run an electronic dance music-based board and when I make any major changes, I get the same "I like it - I hate it" responses. They come and go, quickly.

All in all, a new look is refreshing :)
 
Ah, who cares. I love it no matter what. It's the people that keep me coming back. It's not like anyone is going to get a list of suppliers on any thread so who cares about what it advertisers.
 
Because elitefitness is a place to learn about steroids, not get them. People use the internet to learn about steroids, so they search on that. They will end up here at this site, and they WILL learn a lot, if they try.
 
I like the new look...I think too many guys seem to read into everything that is said or done on here and just try and make something out of nothing...it was a damn facelift...who gives a fuck???
 
DRRman said:
I like the new look...I think too many guys seem to read into everything that is said or done on here and just try and make something out of nothing...it was a damn facelift...who gives a fuck???
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I see your points..............

Just didn't like the way it was presented.
 
itlnstln said:
So it's pretty much a source/supplier/product-bumping website first, and "fitness" second.
I understand $$$ has to play a factor in any business/website, but if my monthly dollars are going to simply promote your business/ageanda then I may have to think about this whole membership again.

This place has always welcomed people from "all" fitness aspects - and was built upon the $$$ and support of ALL it's members - AAS or not, so I consider it a bit selfish and pompus that you should now present this whole community in a brief statement calling this whole community (in a nutshell) a "game"

I really take offense to that.

Why does George and a couple of decent Mods denounce promotion of AAS sources, but use STEROID as the main word describing the site?

Why not just list it as a XXX site if all you are looking for is traffic.

Ulter - I know you've helped a lot of people over the years, and I can respect that, but don't forget the good bro's AAS or not who bought your products and "put" you where you are today.

PLEASE don't lump them ALL as simply a business transaction.

I think you and George owe it's members a little something more than a self promoting businessman.
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This post is so full of errors and stupidity I can't comment beyond that.
 
some people are concerned with appearances. for them it would be good to perhaps create a mirror site. Also the platinum stealth, for the discreet platinum user including people that use at work with surfing protocols, site is supposed have a different header (though not sure if that has been done yet)
 
Ulter said:
This post is so full of errors and stupidity I can't comment beyond that.
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You usually don't have much of a comment after the fact.

Don't worry - this thread will be buried soon and in it's place will be all your bumped :) threads

hey - it's my perception of your post..............
 
:jump:
 
Seems like there is a lot of fallout still going on here.

Someone mentioned in the thread that it is not about the format, it is about the people...now I am sure that 99% of you don't give a shit if I am here or not, but with all the issues of trust and lack of disclosure that went on in the last month on top of the usual barrage of ads, pitches to become platinum, and the enless ag-guys thread bumps, I am really becoming soured with this place.

I agree with the comments from Sypax and the Stallion above. It just seems that Elite is becoming less and less about the sport, camradarie, and helping others, and more about sucking cash out of people's pockets.


Bluesman
 
itlnstln said:
Why does George and a couple of decent Mods denounce promotion of AAS sources, but use STEROID as the main word describing the site?
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the forum rules are against open source posting, thats all. This forum was built on steroid discussion, just the same way that muscle media (formely MM2k) was built on it. What admin and the moderators oppose is use of the forum to scam members.
 
hankes64 said:
Eh? Care to elaborate?
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1. I have nothing to do with this website's business plan. I am neither consulted nor do I contribute to the decisions about the board's design or function.
2. This website did not "put me where I am"
3. Sources and supplier have nothing to do with the structure or business model of this website. Not first, not second, not at all.

That enough? I hope so because this childish idiot doesn't deserve a reply. Our of respect for you I gave it a couple min of my time.
 
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Ulter said:
The new look will do all those things. I think it's supposed to though. Traffic is the name of the game and the lead term for that is steroids, not body building.
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Exactly, when people do a google search there will be a lot more people typing in steroid than there will be bodybuilding.
 
Ulter said:
1. I have nothing to do with this website's business plan. I am neither consulted nor do I contribute to the decisions about the board's design or function.
2. This website did not "put me where I am"
3. Sources and supplier have nothing to do with the structure or business model of this website. Not first, not second, not at all.

That enough? I hope so because this childish idiot doesn't deserve a reply. Our of respect for you I gave it a couple min of my time.
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I'm viewing both sides of the story, thank you
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the forum rules are against open source posting, thats all. This forum was built on steroid discussion, just the same way that muscle media (formely MM2k) was built on it. What admin and the moderators oppose is use of the forum to scam members.
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So as long as no one is being "scammed" - everything else is cool?

I'm "really" just trying to grasp the WHOLE picture......

seriously
 
I guess it all does come down to business. Here is some business: I am a platinum member. I am not a mod but do a lot on the cardio page. I've contributed a lot on the diet page and to a lesser extent the weightlifting page. I will probably drop my platinum membership because I don't want a site that features the word 'Steroid Megasite' across the top banner.

It will also probably hurt you in the long run, though it may help in the short run. Long run, you are raising your profile for the media and for politicos who want to make an example of you. They will be encouraged to start giving whomever George Spellwin really is a lot more scrutany, Elliot Ness-style, and could wind up getting the whole site shut down.

Better to keep things going with a nod and a wink and some 'Women's Fitness' forums for cover than to go balls out into trying to be OutlawMuscle or one of the other out-of-the-mainstream sites.

Yes, I know, don't let the door hit me on the way out, etc. I just thought I'd do the curtosy of sharing my thoughts here.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
site is supposed have a different header (though not sure if that has been done yet)
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Agreed! Someone needs to change the header cause you can still see the word "Steroid". This should change for platinum users surfing as "ExpertPCSuport" too.
 
Synpax said:
I guess it all does come down to business. Here is some business: I am a platinum member. I am not a mod but do a lot on the cardio page. I've contributed a lot on the diet page and to a lesser extent the weightlifting page. I will probably drop my platinum membership because I don't want a site that features the word 'Steroid Megasite' across the top banner.

It will also probably hurt you in the long run, though it may help in the short run. Long run, you are raising your profile for the media and for politicos who want to make an example of you. They will be encouraged to start giving whomever George Spellwin really is a lot more scrutany, Elliot Ness-style, and could wind up getting the whole site shut down.

Better to keep things going with a nod and a wink and some 'Women's Fitness' forums for cover than to go balls out into trying to be OutlawMuscle or one of the other out-of-the-mainstream sites.

Yes, I know, don't let the door hit me on the way out, etc. I just thought I'd do the curtosy of sharing my thoughts here.
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Everyone's opinions count

and you make some very interesting points........
 
DRRman said:
I like the new look...I think too many guys seem to read into everything that is said or done on here and just try and make something out of nothing...it was a damn facelift...who gives a fuck???
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I agree. Chill out for crying out loud
 
lowpro said:
I forgot, what was this thread about again?
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My thought's exactly. To the people that are afraid there's gonna be more can you do this or can you drink winny threads that's gonna happen with or without a new look. As long as you can find this site with a simple steroid search on yahoo or google it's not gonna change. Personally i like the new look.
 
If it makes dollars, it makes sense. I see both points, and both are good arguments. Maybe George could come up with a comprimise? Probably not lol.

BOOGS
 
I guess my only concern is my daughter walking in and reading the banner. But, before the new face lift, you could also see the forums page has steroids on it also. I guess I'll have to be a bit more discreet in a few years.

BOOGS
 
karachi183 said:
I like the new look but also agree with synpax as far as labels go. It should say something like the "bodybuilding\life extension information mega site" Just something a little more discreet. It doesn't help many of us who come here during work hours... In any event i'm still a loyal EF'er
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Did you know that when you go Platinum, you get access to the Elite Fitness Discussion Boards Stealth Web Address! Ever want to screw your boss by surfing the elitefitness.com Discussion Boards at work and not get caught? Want to really screw with him and the company Systems Administrator too? Now it's easy, because Discussion Boards members will be able to access the Elite Fitness Discussion Boards not only from boards.elitefitness.com, but also from the new stealth URL www.ExpertPcSupport.com.

If your boss checks your PC or your office's access logs, all he'll see is that you were getting help with your PC at www.expertpcsupport.com. But you were really surfing the Elite Fitness Discussion Boards using the expertpcsupport.com stealth web address.

The ExpertPCSupport.com home page looks like this:

<img src="http://www.elitefitness.com/images/expertpc.jpg">

"The goal of Expert PC Support is to help users troubleshoot and solve their computer problems, as well as help them practice good computer maintenance. Find free device drivers, technical support, installation guides, and other troubleshooting information for all your computer needs." Ha Ha Ha, who are we kidding? Only you and the Platinum Members will know!

Click here to become a Platinum Member today.
 
why wasn't this posted as a new thread?
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
Seems like there is a lot of fallout still going on here.

Someone mentioned in the thread that it is not about the format, it is about the people...now I am sure that 99% of you don't give a shit if I am here or not, but with all the issues of trust and lack of disclosure that went on in the last month on top of the usual barrage of ads, pitches to become platinum, and the enless ag-guys thread bumps, I am really becoming soured with this place.

I agree with the comments from Sypax and the Stallion above. It just seems that Elite is becoming less and less about the sport, camradarie, and helping others, and more about sucking cash out of people's pockets.


Bluesman
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I have felt that way since my first day here.
 
This really sucks. Here I thought we had a good chance to get some member feedback about the new homepage. But we always have some tool messing up the conversation and turning a good thread to shit.

itlnstln,

Ulter was just making a comment about the redesign, and you go jump all over him. Are you really that stupid to think he had anything to do with the new homepage? You really think we asked for his input?

Please go take a look at the AF store, then come back and look at our homepage. If you still think both websites were put together by the same people… I will G-Bomb you for being a moron.

I don't care what your issues are with the guy. Take it up in private, ask him on a date or send him some flowers. Just stop turning good threads to shit by attacking him with your nonsense.



-BRR
 
Steve The Bluesman and natty,

I'm really sorry you feel that way, and in some ways I agree with you. I really wish we could do away with the ads and sponsors. I can understand how you would like to feel as though t EF is a labor of love, and not a business that makes a profit. Unfortunately, we have employees, ISP bills, Taxes, and the rest of the stuff that a businesses requires. The site is huge and growing everyday.

I can understand if you don’t agree with our business model. However, all is not lost, you have options. There are many other Bodybuilding forums on the internet that talk about the same stuff we do here. Most of them don’t have a Platinum membership program, or any visible source of income to speak of. I’m sure you can find other forums just as nice as ours, and you never have to go thru the pain of feeling like, the owners are making any money from their website!. If you would like some links, please send me a PM, and I will send you a list of places to take a look at.




-BRR
 
The change-up is easier on the eyes and the colors are good. As Synpax said, though, nothing wrong with a little more balance and/or discretion.

I really like the new stealth site feature. I, for one, won't have much use for it. But this is just plainly a good idea and makes being Plat all the more worthwhile.
 
I think the site looks 10x better and if you are really that bothered by the steroid talk you should go to some low carb board for women.

Just my $0.02

I love the new board. Much more eye appeal.
 
IMO, I think the new website design looks 1000x better then the old layout.
 
DRRman said:
I like the new look...I think too many guys seem to read into everything that is said or done on here and just try and make something out of nothing...it was a damn facelift...who gives a fuck???
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True!!
 
djsf said:
Because elitefitness is a place to learn about steroids, not get them. People use the internet to learn about steroids, so they search on that. They will end up here at this site, and they WILL learn a lot, if they try.
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Exactly. Elitefitness is about learning, and I hope everyone remembers that.

Originally elitefitness was a bodybuilding information portal with steroid inclination, but as time went on I believe elitefitness has become the best and biggest bodybuilding, steroid and fitness information website on the internet. With over 5,000,000 posts and growing, it has a wealth of information like no other place on the internet.

I know a lot of members here are a bit surprised at the new look, but I assure you, it will grow on you. Just as an example, I saw the ebooks on the front page pointed out, but Elitefitness has been advertising those ebooks for years - nothing there is new or extraordinary. All the information has just been reworked to help the user find it and allow for members to explore all of the informational products elitefitness offers.

I know a lot of members here have been helped by me, and you know I tell it straight. I would not stand by here if I didn't think elitefitness was going in the right direction. I find it to be a great website, which is growing and expanding, helping users in all facets of life. BRR and GS have done an AMAZING job with elitefitness. Over my years here, I have NEVER seen as much progress as I saw within the few short years BRR has been back on EF. Member satisfaction has been up, the website has been growing, and information has become available for all members to read and learn from.

Please help us grow elitefitness and expand the information it provides to all members :)
 
Hello Everyone,

Here's a few quick comments about the redesign project. The goal was to make it easier for you to find the main parts of the site. So, we broke the header down into the 6 main areas where members go:

Steroids and Reports | Discussion Forums | Info & Resources | Photos | Platinum Memberships | My EliteFitness.com Email

Before there were way too many links up there that no one used.

We also made it easier to get to the store and to Your Account, by putting it at the top of every page. It was pretty hard to find the store before.

We moved the google search to the top left of every page so it is easier to get at the millions of pages here. Lastly, we created a better advertising area for our sponsors.

On the home page, we tried to simplify things too. And we brought more of your postings and polls to the home page.

There's a few more improvements on the way - we appreciate your support of the site and hope you like the changes.
 
mm107 said:
I ACTUALLY LIKE the new look, EXCEPT the expertpcsupport.com. The headers are still risky, but fuck it. It would be great if u could just use expertpcssupport and keep that as a header. So we can surf discreetly.

my.2cents
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Try it today - we went back to the old header and we will soon use one that is even more "Corporate."
 
I checked out the expertpcsupport page. And it does work.

However, like I said in my example, I cannot refer my friends, some of whom are elite athletes whose careers depend on passing drug tests, to 'the steroid megasite.'

It also says to the non-plats that they can go f themselves.

Here is ALL I am talking about as being the problem. See the silver bar across the top? It says 'Steroid & Bodybuilding Megasite' . Also see the Link at the top that says 'Steriod and Reports'? And there are a few other references on the main page and in the window title to 'steriods'.

Those are the only two things I suggest changing. Makes a world of difference. I'm not knocking the design.
 
In my opinion the site is in fact a 'Steroid Megasite' so why should they change it. That would be like false advertising.

Think about it this way. If elitefitness had nothing to do with AAS it would probably be somewhere between John Smiths Blog and Carrie Anns Recipe page.

AAS info and knowledge from the members makes it what it is.
 
yea, hey george, about the pcsupport page, really love the idea. Is there any way to have the Header on the top of the Page, Such as the Page title to stay Static? Like Staying ExpertPCSupport, On the title bar, not the header?

Only asking because, lets say im reading the C&C forum, and a post about steroids or post on anal sex is there (lets just say lol) the damn title bar has the post's title on the title bar. I bet half the IT people are like WTF is he into lol
 
I think that it looks great. But, it's the content that matters. I have learned more here in the last few months than I could have any other way. I'm glad that I spent the $$ to become plat. I would think that everyone here should appreciate the fact that this site makes $$$. If it didn't, G.S. couldn't afford a lawyer to keep your info safe just in case... IMHO
 
Synpax said:
It also says to the non-plats that they can go f themselves.
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I'm sorry, but how are we saying that?
 
mm107 said:
yea, hey george, about the pcsupport page, really love the idea. Is there any way to have the Header on the top of the Page, Such as the Page title to stay Static? Like Staying ExpertPCSupport, On the title bar, not the header?

Only asking because, lets say im reading the C&C forum, and a post about steroids or post on anal sex is there (lets just say lol) the damn title bar has the post's title on the title bar. I bet half the IT people are like WTF is he into lol
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Great idea, but I think that cannot be done.
 
mm107 said:
yea, hey george, about the pcsupport page, really love the idea. Is there any way to have the Header on the top of the Page, Such as the Page title to stay Static? Like Staying ExpertPCSupport, On the title bar, not the header?

Only asking because, lets say im reading the C&C forum, and a post about steroids or post on anal sex is there (lets just say lol) the damn title bar has the post's title on the title bar. I bet half the IT people are like WTF is he into lol
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On this same note... It would be great to be able to check email without the elitefitness url coming up.
 
Synpax said:
I dislike how it emphasizes steriods. There are a lot of natty people here.

It has always been a good pace to get information about steriods and it is a big part of the value of EF. However, by emphasizing it - even putting it AHEAD of 'bodybuilding' - will make it seem much less like a place to get honest information than a places that advocates the use.

I am not talking about USERS or MODERATORS, but the site itself.

It also harms the value of the site for things other than steriods as this site is about SO MUCH MORE. The diet information. The workout information. Even the entrepreneur forum. Or the SEX forum.

I could conceivably have recommended this site to someone looking for just general fitness information before - yeah, there are forums that talk about doping but there is a lot of great info on losing weight or just what to do in the gym so you aren't wasting your time. But can I now refer the same person to the 'Steriods Mega Site!'

The new design devalues the site as a whole. Please change it. This is not Outlaw Muscle.
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I see some of your points, HOWEVER - This site belongs to George Spellwin. This is his business, and he can lay the site out any way he chooses. This is America, if you don't like it you don't have to visit it, or patronize it for that matter. You can always go build your own website that is exactly the way you like it.
 
fbodyguy02 said:
I like it. The website needed a facelift anyways. I don't see why you say it "emphasizes steriods"...
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Tend to agree with you on this but I understand where he is coming from.
 
George,
About ur expertpcsupport thingy, love the idea. It's home page looks great. However, if an employer tries to log in, even with an incorrect log in, it takes you to an elitefitness page. Bam, your cover is blown.

Is there any way to have an incorrect log in redirect you right back to the expertpccupport home page?
 
I like the look of the new board. I think they should add a featured member to the banner everymonth.
 
buffalo said:
I agree,it's much better.
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I agree that it "looks" better, but the aesthetic value of the page is not the subject of this thread. The subject is about what the new format is communicating to other people. Mainly to people that don't have much knowledge of this site. I.E. newbie.
 
George Spellwin said:
I'm sorry, but how are we saying that?
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Because they do not have access to a site that does not say 'steriod megasite.'

There are a lot of good benefits to going plat. I get that. And you need to make money. Totally support that.

Anyway, I've made my points here. Thanks for listening. If, as someone else mentioned, this is just a steroid site that also has boards that may be of tangential interest to steroid users, ok. Ces la vi.
 
black sheep said:
It was best said by Eddie Murphy - "It's my house, and if you don't like it - Get the F@#k out"
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from a website/business perspective - that could quite possibly be the worst advice ever given..........
 
itlnstln said:
from a website/business perspective - that could quite possibly be the worst advice ever given..........
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This site is what it is, and it has always been what it is. The old look had steroid info all over the home page as well. People cry to much.

And from a business standpoint - more people like the new look than don't - therefore a couple people crying is not going to cause a change. You can never please everyone - Please a majority, if the rest don't like it they can leave... But most likely they won't - They will bitch to be heard, and then shut up and go about business as usual.
 
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