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fistfullofsteel said:
they don't look like they are dressed slutty to me. topless beaches is common in europe along the mediterranean sea and aegean sea and i don't think that is slutty either.


the women over there are more intelligent and that's why there is no drama. they have fucking brains.
short-short skirts and high heels at 10am sunday morning
"slutty" by our standards

but they're not sluts
this is just how they dress
and starting at about age 12

I don't think they are more intelligent though
probably far more mature
just comes from living in an economically tight situation
they're far more frugal
and there's no sense of entitlement just because I'm a girl(i.e. I'm your GF buy me stuff)

I love buying stuff for my GFs
I just don't like it when it's "expected" etc.
fuck that
 
Spartacus said:
short-short skirts and high heels at 10am sunday morning
"slutty" by our standards

but they're not sluts
this is just how they dress
and starting at about age 12

I don't think they are more intelligent though
probably far more mature
just comes from living in an economically tight situation
they're far more frugal
and there's no sense of entitlement just because I'm a girl(i.e. I'm your GF buy me stuff)


I love buying stuff for my GFs
I just don't like it when it's "expected" etc.
fuck that

Extremely valid points.
 
Spartacus said:
short-short skirts and high heels at 10am sunday morning
"slutty" by our standards

but they're not sluts
this is just how they dress
and starting at about age 12

I don't think they are more intelligent though
probably far more mature
just comes from living in an economically tight situation
they're far more frugal
and there's no sense of entitlement just because I'm a girl(i.e. I'm your GF buy me stuff)

I love buying stuff for my GFs
I just don't like it when it's "expected" etc.
fuck that


it's great and i don't care if it's 7 am. totally not slutty. i rather see that than trashy flip flops. yes, they are smarter too. maybe they were just acting stupid around you.

is your father daddy warbucks going to leave all his money to you? you might want to look into buying a place to say in europe.
 
fook me that's a spendy lil trip... comparatively speaking!! I got over here for 750 round trip from NY and apartments rage from 140-350 per month... got an extended visa through the university tightening up my russian while I'm here I just have to go two days a week for a couple hours but that also gives me free access to the Uni gym and a ton of chicks!! :) which cost me another thousand, and food for the most part is cheaper thogh some things like fruit are about the same though the more exotic stuff can begin to get spendy. (I actually have a smokin hot gf at the moment been dating her for a bit now but sometimes kick myself in the ass for jumpin into a relationship!! hahaha!!!) you can make a decent lengthed trip or a short one for fairly cheap... but then again you had interpreters, and an agency lining everything out for you!! I saw those tours when I was researching info for my trip... glad you had fun on it!! that's cool!!


and to bikinimom: the m&m's are exp just like other US candy brands... they have their own that inexpensive but that's aside from the point... he made a gesture of friendship by buying him some m&m's, and the man returned his gesture by being sure to roll over and shake his hand before headin home for the night... that's just manners and generally if you extend yourself others will also... it's the same anywhere with people with manners!! that had nothing to do with rich or poor!! but yes the standard of living is different... however keep in mind that most other things are not so expensive here... and yes we have more money in the US but things also cost more so it's kind of a trade-out!! and yes they have better diets and yes they walk most everywhere... but when I said it's also genetics some of it is... I wasn't saying that about everybody but if you are saying that gentics doesn't play a roll in long legs and good looks that's just wrong, but also the waistline to a degree, as some metabolisms are better at keeping a tight body... was I speaking on the whole... no it was a three part answer which makes up the whole... you took part of the three part answer on the question of why they have better bodies and decided to argue it... when really what I was saying was true and it's not just one of those factors alone but a combination of those factors!!


Spartacus said:
sure
the trip cost me 5-6 thousand
but I know what I need to know
one of my favorite intepreters(Anya) e-mailed me
so I have the connection to that valuable source w/o using the agency

I know how to get around and that other shit you only learn by experiencing
a week over there would be about 3 thousand including airfare
done right

rent an apartment for 50 a day
I have the sources for those

I'm going back
we need humantarget along too
 
Papa Lion said:
fook me that's a spendy lil trip... comparatively speaking!! I got over here for 750 round trip from NY and apartments rage from 140-350 per month... got an extended visa through the university tightening up my russian while I'm here I just have to go two days a week for a couple hours but that also gives me free access to the Uni gym and a ton of chicks!! :) which cost me another thousand, and food for the most part is cheaper thogh some things like fruit are about the same though the more exotic stuff can begin to get spendy. (I actually have a smokin hot gf at the moment been dating her for a bit now but sometimes kick myself in the ass for jumpin into a relationship!! hahaha!!!) you can make a decent lengthed trip or a short one for fairly cheap... but then again you had interpreters, and an agency lining everything out for you!! I saw those tours when I was researching info for my trip... glad you had fun on it!! that's cool!!


and to bikinimom: the m&m's are exp just like other US candy brands... they have their own that inexpensive but that's aside from the point... he made a gesture of friendship by buying him some m&m's, and the man returned his gesture by being sure to roll over and shake his hand before headin home for the night... that's just manners and generally if you extend yourself others will also... it's the same anywhere with people with manners!! that had nothing to do with rich or poor!! but yes the standard of living is different... however keep in mind that most other things are not so expensive here... and yes we have more money in the US but things also cost more so it's kind of a trade-out!! and yes they have better diets and yes they walk most everywhere... but when I said it's also genetics some of it is... I wasn't saying that about everybody but if you are saying that gentics doesn't play a roll in long legs and good looks that's just wrong, but also the waistline to a degree, as some metabolisms are better at keeping a tight body... was I speaking on the whole... no it was a three part answer which makes up the whole... you took part of the three part answer on the question of why they have better bodies and decided to argue it... when really what I was saying was true and it's not just one of those factors alone but a combination of those factors!!

I 100% understand what you are saying, ESPECIALLY about the manners and why I would not date an average American man as they do not have the same upbringing. For this I was call "hooker" and "elitest" by MANY American board members. Go figure. :rolleyes:

I fully understand what life is like there as I spent many summers growing up in Magyar Orszag and also lived in Paris about 4 years ago for 6 months. I didn't read stuff in a brochure nor is all of my experience second hand listening to old-timers' stories. LIVING somewhere is a far different experience than visiting as a tourista for a few days/weeks. I lived there too and know what the deal is.

What most don't understand about women like myself is I really dont belong in this world or the other fully so for me to find an acceptable mate was very hard (in addition to so many other ancillary factors). The upshot is that I am comfortable everywhere, in any given social situation.

I just want American men who do a tiny bit of traveling to Eastern European countries to realize that not every thing is presented to them as it truly is. I mean, they (the women and the agencies) also have a vested interest in making themselves seem more maliable at least in the beginning as economically speaking, the United States DOES offer better possibilities and generally American men are not as bad when it comes to cheating and spousal abuse. They have not all been bred to treat their wives as chattle. So for an Eastern European woman to have an American husband and live in the United States is better than for her to remain where she is with very little hope of "moving up" in the world. Now, as for child-rearing, I can tell you that the United States is NOT better. This is not my opinion alone, but is shared by many different ethnicities and why many do NOT stay in the US, but return to their countries of origin. But everyone has free will and should be able to go where they want.

I don't think that many American men realize just how opportunistic these women are. I would be willing to wager that if an American man told his perspective date that he has every intention to move there somehow she would become less interested.... or maybe not.

The women are physically stunning, far more mature and hard-working, much more cultured and many far better educated, also know how to raise a family properly. But, when you get them over here, I question whether they would remain that way. I mean, once they get that green card, why should they not feel the same sense of entitlement that most American men claim to be so turned off by? Especially if we are talking a girl that is sub 30 years of age? You think that an Eastern European woman will be any less inclined to grow and mature than her American counterpart?

I am sure that there are exceptions to every rule.

I just want American men to understand that it ain't all cream down to the bottom of the container.... the cream always rises to the top, what's underneath may be far less desirable.

That's all I'm sayin. :)
 
quit fuckin this thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I took plenty of pictures besides just legs and ass

took many at the airport arriving and leaving(still to come)
In Zaporozhye I took a bunch of photos of the hydroelectric damn and other surroundings( Zaporozhye is the home of the famous Cossacks too)

I took a few at the museum that I requested to visit
and others of the locals and such

I did a lot of stuff on my own and slept maybe 2-3 hours a night,except for about every 3rd or 4th day when I got a good nights sleep(catching up)

I hung out with a gang of locals drinking bier and wodka till daybreak in a park at Dnipropetrovsk
I also partied with some teenagers,including 5 hot,hot 16 year old girls, and some of the other punks around the school in Krivoy Rog.
I met quite a diverse set of people
In Zaporozhye I met a group called The English Club
they get together and try to improve their English through various interactions
one of them took me on a tour via taxi of the city that took all of an afternoon(Olga)

and probably the best looking chcik I saw was on the last day as we were leaving our hotel
and I have fotos of her to conclude

part of this thread is for my own documentation of the trip and I'll probably e-mail this elitefitness location to a few from the tour
 
It is difficult to even imagine what life is like without electricity. No television, no radio, no fridge or deep freeze, no Ice cream no lights. When I think of it now - - life was very primitive. Electricity reached our area in the late thirties but the Russian army exploded the dam in Zaporhozye (Summer 1941) and plunged us into darkness again.

Everybody in our village had to evacuate as the German Army approached. It was summer 1941. We were to cross the Dneper river in Zaporozhye and head east. The wagon train came to a complete stop at Lukashevo. Here, on the wagon train in Lukashevo, my aunt, Maria Quiring, gave birth to a beautiful baby girl. By the time this ordeal was over, it was too late to cross the river for the Russian army had blown the Dam, which served as a bridge also. Here I saw the first German soldiers arrive who were told of a Jew by the name of Levine being in our midst. The German soldiers killed him the very same day. Levine was a good man and they killed him for no reason at all. We were able to return to our village a few days later. Life for us now improved dramatically and my mother regained her health. The German army now took a breather and since we spoke German very well, they would come and visit and enjoy the Mennonite cooking. On one visit, the German officer asked where my dad was so mother told him of his arrest. He wanted to know who had accused him. My mother would not say anything to him for fear he would go and kill the suspected characters, as had been done in neighboring villages. At this time we were still waiting for Dad to come home for we did not know of his execution until 1952. In a week or so the German army attacked the east side of the Dneper River and we never saw the soldiers again, only heard and saw the planes drop bombs. The peaceful life did last only a little more than 2 years. The Rumble of war could be heard again and it did not take long before the shells started flying overhead. October 1943 is when we left the village of Adelsheim forever. I remember my mother standing and looking at our house as tears rolled down her cheeks, she said - Dad will return and he will not find us- . Life would have been much easier had we known that he had been executed shortly after his arrest.

Some of our things were loaded onto wagons and we headed to a railway station which was to take us in the direction of Germany. A big surprise greeted us - the Russian army was closing in and no train was coming. The situation was desperate and panic set in. Finally the German authority informed everybody to rush to the railway station in Apostolova. This was a long distance of more than 10 km. I can’t remember whether we walked all the way but the luggage was taken to Apostolova by wagons. My brother was not with us at this point for he went by wagon train in the direction of Poland. A number of the men folks took grain and other things and headed West. Mother and I were loaded into a rail car, open to the sky with medium high walls. Many families were packed into this car, mostly Quiring relatives and others as well. The Russian military decided to give us a fare thee well party. At least three lanterns were hung in the sky lighting up the whole area so one could easily read the finest of print. Moments later the bombs started to fall. My mother, with me at her side, wanted to get out of the rail car but a man stood at the door and refused mother to leave the rail car. I can still hear my mother argue, saying "We should not sit here and let them kill us". The fellow just said - "If we die we’ll all die together". Another wave of planes started to drop bombs and moments later a bomb hit the repair shop which my mother wanted to hide behind. The blast covered us with dirt and a brick hit one person on the head causing a minor wound. A huge crater was all that we saw the next day. The bombs had not hit any of the rail cars or tracks which was to our great relief. Certainly - God leads in mysterious ways. The train was fully loaded and eventually began to move - heading west. Every time the train came to a halt - everybody dashed into the bush to spell relief. When no bush was available the open fields would do. There were many new experiences for me, for you get to know how careless some people are. In the rail car ahead of us, a night pot was used. While the train was moving at a good speed, the folks ahead of us decided to empty their night pot. Of course, the wind took the contents and blew everything into our car. We all came out smelling like a rose. Remember that this train lacked all sanitary facilities and water was a scarce commodity. The train made many stops on the way because of partisan activities. Surprise and shock is the only way to describe the sight of Russian tanks on both sides of the track who were moving much faster then our train. The tanks disappeared in the distance and we lost sight of them. Our train came to a halt and the locomotive disconnected and disappeared in the distance. I do not know how many days we were stranded - - it seemed an eternity - - but eventually, we could hear the activities of heavy fighting. Much later the locomotive reappeared and we headed west again. Soon we were at the place where the fighting had occurred and saw the devastation. Many dead bodies were scattered all around. Our train came to a halt because of damaged rails, giving us a chance to see, first hand, the brutalities of war. I crawled onto one burned out tank and looked into the escape hatch to see the dead bodies. The stench of burned bodies was horrendous. I don’t remember to whom these tanks or bodies belonged, whether German or Russian. We arrived at this location shortly after the battle and it is hard to describe the scene of shock and horror (I want to add that this is the only place where I witnessed a scene where the German military machine took a stand. All the other scenes were German soldiers on the run and were they good at it - I am stating my experience) Soon we were on the way heading west and soon I experienced the humiliation of going through a delousing center. As fate would have it, I was channeled through the system with the women and girls. This was in or near Pabianice in Poland. After this we were sent to a former monastery in Lisek, which is south of Warshau (Warsaw) Poland. We arrived in the beginning of December 1943. My brother, who was on the wagon train, came in Jan 1944. Living was very tight for many families were housed in one large room and blankets were used to partition the room. Running water and hot showers were just wonderful, something I had never experienced before in my life. The local School brought a Christmas program and one song those young children sang had a profound affect on me and I remember every word.

MĂĽtter euch sind alle Feuer, alle Sterne aufgestellt,

Ăśber eine tiefe Ferne, bricht das Herz der weiten Welt

(Mother all the stars and fires are awaiting you,

over a deep distance the heart of the whole world will break)

http://vaxxine.com/pquiring/MoreStories.htm
 
those people over there have also been through generations and generations of hardships

they deserve better and hopefully the west and the people of the Ukraine will build a better world

western europe is counting on the Ukraine to provide petroleum for the EU
the pipelines go through the Ukraine

and Russia wants part of that action
fuck Putin
 
BIKINIMOM said:
This is a VERY VALID opinion. With this I will not disagree. Yet when there is an American woman who has these values living in America, she is looked down upon.

Please explain this double standard.
my opinions are always valid, thankyou :) lol

look i dont know, you could write a sociology paper on this subject - although the fact that this mindset is prevalent across western societies suggests its a socioeconomic thing....logically it probably has to do with the erosion of the family unit and the desexualization of people against natural law in the workplace

i dont know. ill have a think while im at work today doing whatever menial shit it is im going to be doing.

in the meantime, spartacus must date the tall brunette, she reminds me of a girl here in aus that i couldnt get, back in the day
 
Elena(left) and Lilya(right)
Lilya and Anya were my favorite interpreters
they took me on a long stroll through downtown Dnipropetrovsk my second day there

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Spartacus said:
Elena(left) and Lilya(right)
Lilya and Anya were my favorite interpreters
they took me on a long stroll through downtown Dnipropetrovsk my second day there

52em9sz.jpg
I got an e-mail from Elena the other day;


Hi,Michael!
I was very happy to receive your letter.
How are you? Is everything o`k?
I tried to send you sms and e-mail,but it is failed.
Thank you for your letter and photoes. I like it very much.
What about your flight? Is everything o`k?
What about your relatives?
Are they happy to see you?I think yes.
I miss you very much and wait for coming soon.
Wait for your letter and photoes.
I enjoed the time which we spent together too.
Bye,I wait you very much.
Elena
 
Gambino said:
this gal has gorgeous legs i love the thickness
she was part of some stage stunt they had
a couple of guys in chairs with their shirts off
and then chciks were smearing oil and whipped cream over them

all the while this chcik was dancing around
really slutty like

later on they had another stage act w 3girls and a guy dancer

the 3 girls came out in nice dresses and held their poses absolutely still
then dude came out and danced around
and then he'd take each girl and do a routine with them
while the other two kept still mannequin like
it was really well done
the dresses were nice(like formal nice)
and god damn the girls were smokin'
 
Spartacus said:
she was part of some stage stunt they had
a couple of guys in chairs with their shirts off
and then chciks were smearing oil and whipped cream over them

all the while this chcik was dancing around
really slutty like

later on they had another stage act w 3girls and a guy dancer

the 3 girls came out in nice dresses and held their poses absolutely still
then dude came out and danced around
and then he'd take each girl and do a routine with them
while the other two kept still mannequin like
it was really well done
the dresses were nice(like formal nice)
and god damn the girls were smokin'

do you assume these dudes where mafioso types, or did someone tell you that?
did they have that auroa of somebody you wouldn't fuck with? i'd imagine their is all sorts of corruption w/the lack of a strong central gov't and police force.
 
I still have to tell you about the strip club in the basement of one hotel we stayed at
 
ksharp01 said:
What about the guys there...from the very few I saw :sick:
for the most part the only guys I saw with bodybuilder/weightlifter size was in that one night club
they wouldn't let me bring the camera in(I tried)

so the few I saw that were "hip" and fashionable were in that clubs

average joe ukraine was
average
nothing really noteworthy
friendly
one guy helped me out tremendously at an electronics store and offloaded about 200MBs of pics to a disc for me
w/o me even asking
which freed up my memory card for more

I hung out with the locals and had a great time drinking and bullshitting with the younger guys
they often would buy me beers and give me gifts

I found that if I had a group to "talk" to they could sort of "pool" their knowledge of english and thus we could communicate on a basic level
 
BIKINIMOM said:
This is a VERY VALID opinion. With this I will not disagree. Yet when there is an American woman who has these values living in America, she is looked down upon.

Please explain this double standard.
shes only looked down upon by other american women who are pissed off that they dont have their act together like she does, and wont get a good man because of their bitchy entitlement attitude.
 
like Matt said,the swingin' dick guy on the tour

"I've seen the light"
 
Spartacus said:
typical street shots
about 80% of the gals wear heels
even at 10am sunday morning
well....yeah...duh! Thats why I was stunned when I saw people here going grocerie shopping in a pajama-looking-like things, socks and slippers. Yikes!
 
foreigngirl said:
it looks almost identical with a lot of parts of Macedonia, all the garbage lying around everywhere and stuff.

Yeah lots of Europe is like that from my experience....

Macedonia is cool in my book..i was named after Al the great
 
CrazyRussian said:
Where my dad used to work:
http://i11.tinypic.com/6arkswj.jpg

Where my mother was born:
http://i14.tinypic.com/63ufv4i.jpg

Our Neighborhood growing up:
http://i10.tinypic.com/4qebrpf.jpg
I really believe in the hopefully not too distant future the peoples of the former USSR,Russia included, can build better countries
they deserve better leadership and guidance
instead of the crap they've had to endure for longer than a century

they're strong,intelligent and resourceful
 
CrazyRussian said:
Yeah lots of Europe is like that from my experience....

Macedonia is cool in my book..i was named after Al the great
Wooo-hooooo! Aleksandar Veliki!!! ;)


anyways, our gals look good even when going hiking (no high heels):
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This thread was actually quite interesting. There are other places in the world besides the 'Good Ole USA."
 
the best for last
shot her on the last morning right before boarding the taxi to the airport

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Spartacus said:
the best for last
shot her on the last morning right before boarding the taxi to the airport

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points are being deducted cause she is wearing sunglasses and her ankles have some serious veins.
 
Thread of the year fo sho! Awesome shots Spart, looks like you had a blast. I liked the city shots as well as the chick shots, I would love to roam around one of those places.

For those interested in other countries: I had a couple of good friends that moved to taiwan for a few years. They got fake diplomas, and worked teaching english to kids. They made $20 and hour, and lived like kings, everythings cheap over there. And the chicks were all over the white guys, they said a chick that was a 8 or 9 here at a club, would be a 5 over there. And since the hot chicks were all over, they weren't as stuck up.
 
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