Azazell's new bulking cycle, please critique :)

[Azazell]

Hello everyone,

I am starting a mass cycle and I need ideas on it.

Status:
age: 24 , 5"6' tall, weight 187 pounds, 16% bodyfat, been lifting for 4 years, have 3 cycles under my belt.

Goal: Gain mass.

cycle:
wk 1 - 12 test E 600 MG
wk 1 - 10 Deca 400 MG
wk 1 - 12 Arimidex 0.5 EOD
wk 1 - 12 Propecia 1 MG ED (For hair and prostate)
I have test and deca at (300 MG/1 ML).


I'll frontload, so 1200 MG test & 800 MG Deca first week.

I dont run orals because they suppress my appetite and kill the purpose of this cycle, thus the frontloading.

I have ran Deca before and recovered very well and didnt had any problems on it.

PCT:
wk 1 - 4 Nolvadex 20 MG
wk 1 -4 Clomid 40 MG
wk 1 - 6 HCGenerate 8 capsules.
wk 1 - 6 Unleashed
wk 1 - 6 DAA

After PCT I'll run bridge .

Note regarding PCT, I dont have access to HCG, I have never used HCG before but I'll try to find some. If I find some I'll use it during cycle or PCT.


Your comments are highly appreciated.

 

[SicVic]

I never herd of that. Front loading??? Wont that create a rollercoaster ride for your hormones and jack up estro when you lower dose? Do u have caberlone for the deca?

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[Azazell]

I never herd of that. Front loading??? Wont that create a rollercoaster ride for your hormones and jack up estro when you lower dose? Do u have caberlone for the deca?

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Frontloading is basically using a double dose of whatever dose your planning to do throughout the cycle. You do that because you want steroids with longer half-lives to kick in faster. So, instead of waiting three weeks for test e to kick in, you have to wait only one week.


It is popular by some forums and I have seen some bloodwork done after frontloading through my research. So I believe it does really work.

 

[Mekat]

U need to run prami or caber along ur deca, and throw the nolva in the garbage, it could cause many problem when ran along side or after any 19-nor compound..

Run the HCGenerate on cycle starting around week 5 or 6 to minimize shutdown, u should also get some post cycle to run along ur unleashed..

Frontloading does get ur blood levels up sooner but it also makes sides come on sooner too so be careful

 

[blue_steel74]

I call bullshit on the theory that frontloading makes the half lives kick in faster. If a steroid takes 3 weeks to reach peak levels, i dont care how much you inject at once, its gonna take 3 weeks to reach peak levels. Now when it does, your levels will be through the roof, but its not gonna make the steroid work faster

 

[Azazell]

I have Dostinex on hand, but when should I use it? I read I should dose it at 0.25 every 3 days?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Dostinex is Caber. .5mg E3D


Come on BRO..... really..... this just keeps happening lately with people and nolva. Dont be one of "those" nolva guys. Nolva is a very unhealthy choice. In short, its garbage. Treat it as such and put it in it.

Deca will hang around in your system for quite a while regardless of pct. Nolvadex and nadrolone based AAS (deca, tren) do NOT mix and should NEVER be run together. Yes, PCT isnt together with "on cycle" but it is just as bad.
Nolvadex when mixed with deca is asking post cycle rebound gyno.

Cut your clomid in half.

PCT is ok other than nolva. I would add some HMG if you can get it.

You made no mention of HCG or HCgenerate while "on" cycle? What are you going to do to get your balls back to size before you start PCT? If you go into PCT with raisins its going to be 10x harder for them to recover as they will spend the whole time trying to grow back to size.

Other than that^^ and the nolva it all looks good.

 

[Azazell]

Dostinex is Caber. .5mg E3D


Come on BRO..... really..... this just keeps happening lately with people and nolva. Dont be one of "those" nolva guys. Nolva is a very unhealthy choice. In short, its garbage. Treat it as such and put it in it.

Deca will hang around in your system for quite a while regardless of pct. Nolvadex and nadrolone based AAS (deca, tren) do NOT mix and should NEVER be run together. Yes, PCT isnt together with "on cycle" but it is just as bad.
Nolvadex when mixed with deca is asking post cycle rebound gyno.

Cut your clomid in half.

PCT is ok other than nolva. I would add some HMG if you can get it.

You made no mention of HCG or HCgenerate while "on" cycle? What are you going to do to get your balls back to size before you start PCT? If you go into PCT with raisins its going to be 10x harder for them to recover as they will spend the whole time trying to grow back to size.

Other than that^^ and the nolva it all looks good.

I don't have access to HCG. I'll probably use HCGenerate as replacement but I'm questioning its effectivness ON-CYCLE. I am sure that it is effect post-cycle.

I'll remove Nolva from PCT.

 

[Mekat]

HCGenerate works best on cycle to minimize shut down.....AND YES IT DOES WORK..

go look at some of the threads about it and reviews, there are tons. its proven to work, and works great

 

[Azazell]

HCGenerate works best on cycle to minimize shut down.....AND YES IT DOES WORK..

go look at some of the threads about it and reviews, there are tons. its proven to work, and works great

Alright, I guess I'll be using HCGenerate on-cycle. And if I got HCG I'll use the POWER-PCT minus nolvadex?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Hcgenerate is great on cycle as Meekat said. Adjust the dose to whatever keeps your boys full. Somewhere between 5-8 caps most likely.

Also....I strongly advise against frontloading. It doesn't do your endocrine system any favors and really doesn't do what your thinking it does as effectively as your thinking. Plus tons more initial test means tons more estrogen. Just my advice bro. Take it Fwiw.

 

[RickRock13]

I call bullshit on the theory that frontloading makes the half lives kick in faster. If a steroid takes 3 weeks to reach peak levels, i dont care how much you inject at once, its gonna take 3 weeks to reach peak levels. Now when it does, your levels will be through the roof, but its not gonna make the steroid work faster

You are absolutely right bro. Matter what dose you run, it will always take the same amount of time to reach peak levels. Front loading is overrated and pointless. All you get from it is sides quicker

 

[burnthiscorpse]

You are absolutely right bro. Matter what dose you run, it will always take the same amount of time to reach peak levels. Front loading is overrated and pointless. All you get from it is sides quicker

The only way this ever works is with sust. Obviously because of the Prop/phenyl prop.

Still not advisable.

 

[Azazell]

Thanks all, I'll probably wont frontload if you advise me not to I'm here to listen. But I have a question, RickRock123 stated that I'll get sides quicker? Getting sides quicker means that frontloading work? Isn't it a proof that the drug has reached its peak in the blood which is why I am getting the side effects faster?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Thanks all, I'll probably wont frontload if you advise me not to I'm here to listen. But I have a question, RickRock123 stated that I'll get sides quicker? Getting sides quicker means that frontloading work? Isn't it a proof that the drug has reached its peak in the blood which is why I am getting the side effects faster?

Front loading is also wasting gear and $$. When rick says you get sides quicker he means that as Blue steel also said....doesnt matter how much test you inject its not going to hit you for a good 3 weeks. If you run your normal amount maybe you might get some sides mid cycle...end of cycle maybe from things like estrogen if you were gyno prone. But if a couple weeks of massive amounts of test hit you at once up front your going to get these possible sides sooner from the big hormone change as opposed to later when things slowly build. Does that kinda make sense? I didnt really word it the best.

 

[Azazell]

Front loading is also wasting gear and $$. When rick says you get sides quicker he means that as Blue steel also said....doesnt matter how much test you inject its not going to hit you for a good 3 weeks. If you run your normal amount maybe you might get some sides mid cycle...end of cycle maybe from things like estrogen if you were gyno prone. But if a couple weeks of massive amounts of test hit you at once up front your going to get these possible sides sooner from the big hormone change as opposed to later when things slowly build. Does that kinda make sense? I didnt really word it the best.

Yes, it makes sense. Thank's you've helped me alot!

I have noted adjustments: HCGenerate on-cycle, no nolva, no frontloading.

 

[digit0x]

I call bullshit on the theory that frontloading makes the half lives kick in faster. If a steroid takes 3 weeks to reach peak levels, i dont care how much you inject at once, its gonna take 3 weeks to reach peak levels. Now when it does, your levels will be through the roof, but its not gonna make the steroid work faster

I see why people front load, but I don't think the end result is any different.

It actually will help you reach peak levels faster. I was curious about the idea and ran a quick experiment. If you know how to use excel you can chart blood levels from day 1 through PCT. For longer esters, around week 4 to 6 are when levels peak in the blood. However, immediately following your first dose, your blood levels skyrocket past homeostasis.

Its really just a matter of preference, but like I said, the end result is no different. If you really want fast results, the myriad of orals available are a great way to do so.

 

[Azazell]

I see why people front load, but I don't think the end result is any different.

It actually will help you reach peak levels faster. I was curious about the idea and ran a quick experiment. If you know how to use excel you can chart blood levels from day 1 through PCT. For longer esters, around week 4 to 6 are when levels peak in the blood. However, immediately following your first dose, your blood levels skyrocket past homeostasis.

Its really just a matter of preference, but like I said, the end result is no different. If you really want fast results, the myriad of orals available are a great way to do so.

Orals are not an option for me, they suppress my appetite for the whole time I am using it and after I use it for couple of weeks. My last cycle I did an oral and I couldn't eat half of the cycle. For me, it is useless to bulk up with an oral because the lack of food.

My only option was to either front load or use a short ester. Using a short ester requires more frequent injections, and I don't like injections and the discomfort that accompanies short ester shots.

This is my fourth cycle and I still dread injections. I don't know when I am going to get used to them.