Attn:BB who compete. Final weeks questions

[kdtl61]

I have been competiting in amateur shows for the last two years. I have everything down diet , training, contest prep etc. I'm now 16 days out from starting several fall shows. 4 in total over the next 6 weeks.

The last show I did was back in May I tried for the first time Halos. 1 weeks at 10 mg a day 2nd week 15 mg a day. My body fat was at like 4% or less. I was hard as nails. Then I stopped the usage only at 2 weeks. This time around if I start now at two weeks out from my first show I could be on this type of dose for 6 weeks by the time I hit my last show on Oct 13th.
Here is what I have been taking for the last 6 weeks.
200mg EQ wk
100mg Primo wk
50 mg tab split ED. I will say this is my first time using the 50mg tabs and I'm having all of the normal sides of injectable winny. Meaning the shit is working. I'm getting a little harder each day as I pose.
Last week I added to the above
20mg anavar ED
25mg proviron ED.
My body fat today is maybe 5%. I'm 5'7" 177#. So i'm right on schedule to crush the middle weights.
I have been taking 1000mg milk thistle ed plus vit C and Multi Vits.

OK here is my question.
I want to pull out the oral winny to make room for the Halos. Just to lessen the stress on my system & liver.
So what do you think of running the halos for 6 weeks at the 10 to 15 mg per day? Keep in mind i just ran winny for 6 weeks.
What do you think about adding injectable winny to this cycle? Like 50mg eod? Only because I hate to go without it all together.

My other option is to just keep the winny in and add the Halos at 5 to 10mg a day. Just to see what happens.

I know this might have just gotten confussing.
Ask me some questions if i'm not clear.

Thanks for your time.
kdtl61

 

[kdtl61]

Someone please give me your thoughts on this issue.
BUMP for me.

 

[on_swole]

I would knock the winny in half at the 1 week out mark. Also, the Halos will kick in in plenty of time if you start them 10 days out. This will also cause less stress on the system, which is what we're after anyway. Give that a run and you should be good. It's worked for me in the past

 

[kdtl61]

Yes, I plan on running the eq at 200mg week and the primo at 100mg a week through all shows.
Plus I will keep the 20mg a day of the anavar and the 25 mg a day of proviron.
I was thinking maybe the safe bet will be is go with 5mg a day for 1 week then 10mg a day then next week then back to 5mg a day the next week keeping this schedule for 6 weeks of the halos at the same time taking the winny to 25mg a day through out.

I was trying to see if you guys thought going with injectable winny during my halos usage instead of oral winny. Injectable would only be one pass instaed of two.

Any other help or suggestions would be great.
Today I'm starting at 5 mg a day of the halos.
Thanks

 

[ColumboWeiser]

I would keep the winny, it will make you juts as hard and vascular as the halo. If you have four shows over six weeks, I would start running the halo at 20mg sunday before shows, weeks that you do not have shows, cut the halo and keep the winny lower, maybe EOD on the weeks that you are off...I think this owuld work much better!

 

[kdtl61]

Columbo,
I'm a little confused to your suggestion. You first said to keep the winny in it will work just as good. Then you said to start the halos on Sunday 20mg till the show.
I have 3 shows 3 weekends in a row. Then two weeks after that the 4th show.

What do you think of this?
5mg day halos this next week. Also keeping the winny in 50 mg day. Next week my first show week go to 10mg halos a day and drop the winny to 25mg a day.
The following week back to 5mg halos and 50mg winny. This through out the next 6 weeks. This will keep both in yet vary the amounts of each per week.

Do you think 5mg of halos a day will do anything. I'm not a big user of this product. This will be my second go around.

Let me know what else you think,
Thanks

 

[pgerardone]

Three shows in three weeks is tough. You can really only look your best at one of the three. I would choose the biggest of the three and peak for that. Start the halos at 15mgs two weeks from the show you choose to peak for. Keep the winstrol the same. I would cut the eq 10 days before the cantest and take your last shot of primo a week before. Your doses are extremly low for precontest and you are not using anything that is too harsh. You should have nothing to worry about by adding the halos.

 

[kdtl61]

pgerardone,
Back in the Spring I did 4 shows 4 weeks in a row.
I won the first two shows got 3rd in the Pittsburgh
and my 4th show most people said I should have won but got second. The 4th show I was in the best shape of my life. Everyone was shocked to see my conditioning. A much younger black guy with big muscle bellies and small joints beat me. He went on to do several National shows and do well.
I'm 39 years old and only have been using for 3 years.
Competing for 2 years. Always short bulk cycles and light cutting cycles. I get most of my results from diet and cardio. I will be 40 in Oct. Then look out masters and mens open. I want to keep doing men's open so I can try for the overall.

I don't understand why you advise to remove the eq and primo. I need this small amount of gear in me through out the 6 weeks so I stay in a positive state meaning not going catabolic on the diet. My cutting diet is around 2800 to 3000 calories. 400 grams protein 200
grams carbs plus several tablespoons of flax oil each day. Most guys shit when they see how many carbs I can eat and still lose fat.

Can anyone else advise me on the winny in or out issue with the Halos?
Thanks

 

[kdtl61]

Bump for me again

 

[John Woe]

When you say you won these shows you mean you won your weight class right. Also what shows did you do the weeks before the Pittsburgh? UpperOhio or the Powerhouse?

 

[ColumboWeiser]

personally I love halo, ansd have used up to 40mg a day for ten days once, after using it at 20mgs for three weeks before. I think with the winny, that you will be fine with what you suggested. I won the 176 and under weight class this year, it was an NPC novice class, then placed 3rd in the open...I was very happy...

What is your placing history?

 

[kdtl61]

Hello John Woe,
I competed in the master 35 and up and the men's open in Pittsburgh this past May. Got third in the Master and 4th in the men's open. That was the first show I had crossed over in. I was a bit tired in the mens open. Should have placed a bit highter The week before I was 1st place at the Upper Ohio Vally and the week before that I was 1st at the Cincinnati. I have not won the over all YET.
I was at the Powerhouse and was as hard as a rock. Got 2nd.
Were any of you guys there?

 

[John Woe]

The only show I got to see this year was the PGH. A couple of my friends entered. Actually the overall winner is a accuantance of mine. The open heavyweight winner was also a friend of mine. You know who if you were there. Don't remember the masters though. Sorry.

 

[CASEY VIATOR]

hey ktd

hey bro i was at the pitt show my buddy mike won the light heavys sub master....i also went to thee powerhouse sorry i dont remember ya ......but ya know so many shows so many good guys.......are you doing the world gym on the 15th,then cleveland on 22nd then ohio on 29th just wondering it sounds like you are in my neck of the woods............if so good luck those are all big shows.............. you did great, especially the pitt,did you see that freaky superheavy wowow thats what im talkin about the guy looked like a pro....just my 2 cents seeya kc

 

[John Woe]

Casey-the super you talk about won the show. He placed 3rd at the junior nationals the year before that. This year he is going to the nationals to see how he'll will do. He's good, but a pro I don't know.

 

[jfury27]

I WOULD DEFINATLY THROW IN THE HALOS FOR THE SHOWS. THEY WORK AWESOME. I RECENTLY DID A SHOW AND USED HALOS ALONG WITH ALOT OF OTHER SHIT BUT I STARTED HITTING HALO ABOUT 2 WEEKS OUT AND YOU CAN DEFINATLY SEE A BIG CHANGE. IF YOUR STRESSIN ABOUT TAKIN THE TWO ORALS JUST GET SOME LIQUID WINNY AND SHOOT IT EOD 50MGS THEN ED A WEEK OUT AND STOP 2 DAYS BEFORE THE SHOW. I TOOK FIRST IN THE NOVICE AND 3 RD IN THE OPEN MIDDLE WEIGHT CLASS. THAT WAS MY FIRST SHOW.

 

[kdtl61]

Hey Casey Viator,
The shows I'm doing next are The World Classic Sept 15
The Pittsburgh Pro/Am Sept.22, The Ohio Sept. 29th.
Then Oct 13th a show down in Florida just before I start my vacation. Then here comes the feed bag Oct. 14th.
So, if you go to any of the above shows you just look for the best middle weight there. I'm hoping that guy will be me. I'm 5'7" 172 maybe 173# Show ready. Today at 14 days out I'm 175# and about 4.5% BF.
I'll also be the oldest guy in the men's open. Oct. I'll be 40.

Feel free to come up and introduce yourself to me.
Take care,
kdtl61

 

[GetNBiggger]

Do the Halos

If you are worried about your liver with the combo of Halp and Winnie, I am sorry to say that swithching to inj. win will not save your liver any since inj. winnie is chemically the same as oral winni which is why many pep are just drinking the injectable. I would do both though. I am two weeks out from my show and I have been doing the oral win and halo for about 4 weeks now and i am vascualr as hell and hard as a rock. Im pissing all the time but as long as you drink alot of water and take your milk thistle you should be Ok. Kick some ass bro!

 

[kdtl61]

Thanks everyone of your suggestions. I'm right on track. This morning my weight was 175 1/4#. I'm 13 days out from the World Gym Classic in Columbus. I plan
on going there to do battle with all the middle weights that show up. They have better done their home work because I have. I'm 39 allmost years 40 old and believe I must do above and beyond what everyone else is doing to stay on top.

See ya ,
kdtl61

 

[CASEY VIATOR]

good luck it sounds like you are ready

maybe ill see ya at world gym or ohio im not sure which i cant go to the pitt but that will also be a good show.......i would say the ohio will be the best seems like everybody wants those npc state and overall awards good luck again pretty good for an old dude hahahahhhah lololo

 

[pgerardone]

I am glad you did so well in so many shows but what I said is you can only look your best at one of them. And you said you looked your best at the last one, right? My point was to pick the show most important to you and peak for that. If you are a good bodybuilder you will do well not at your complete best at a local or state level show. So the fact that you won all these weight classes does not mean you were at your best all four shows. It just means that you were better then everyone else. Even the top pros can not peak continually four weeks in a row.

 

[kdtl61]

I agree with you. My goal going into each show was to be good enough to beat most anyone that showed up. It worked 2 out of 3 shows. I had hoped to peak at the 3rd show however it was the 4th show that I looked my best. I have no problem doing several shows in a row. I just stay on my diet as soon as the show is over and get ready for the next weekend.
In fact once the shows are all over it takes me several weeks to start to put weight back on. I try to stay with in 15 to 18 pounds of my show weight at all times in the off season. It makes dieting down much easier.
11 days and counting till the fun begins again.

Later,
kdtl61

 

[kdtl61]

Hello all,
I'm 10 days out from the World Gym Classic in Columbus, Ohio.
My weight has seem to hit rock bottom at 176 pounds. I'm a middle weight. This would be the max I can weigh in at.
I'm doing 40 minutes of cardio in the am 6 days a week.
I'm walking 4 miles at night after dinner 5 days a week.
Training 5 days a week.
My body fat is around 4%.
Diet is 28oo calories divided between 7 meals.
345 protein, 200 carbs.
I'm getting harder each day.
My gear is all listed above.
I want to lose just a pound or so more. I need to be able to eat at least once before weigh in.

I'll keep you all updated,
Later,
kdtl61

 

[John Woe]

Good luck KD
I might go to the PGH show so keep in touch up untill the 22nd and let us know how things are going.