Atheism defined

[plornive]

A reaction in the West of criticism to Christianity and disbelief in the Abrahamic idea of 'God'/'Yaweh'/'Allah'.

Let's dissect this a little bit...

-Atheism implies disbelief, not just nonbelief. This means that many philosophers in the East who didn't believe nor care about the idea of 'God' were NOT atheists. However, one does not need to completely disbelieve in order to be an atheist. Does anyone completely believe anything?

-Atheism is a reaction. It only exists because the idea of Abrahamic religion was conceived in the first place.

-Later, the definition of Atheism was broadened to include disbelief in other supposed 'God's. This clouded the meaning by ethnocentrically equivocating the unkown and/or supernatural with 'God'.

 

[distanced]

atheism = hatred of moral values and lack of wish for community.

born of post modernism and relativism

I feel sorry for atheists and wish they would at least look into the consequenses (sp) via the Bible better.

just my 2 cents/point of view. no hating from me!

 

[plornive]

atheism = hatred of moral values and lack of wish for community.

born of post modernism and relativism

I feel sorry for atheists and wish they would at least look into the consequenses (sp) via the Bible better.

just my 2 cents/point of view. no hating from me!

I actually don't disagree that atheism is generally anti-society. Religion, after all, is a pillar of society. I would like to see society change, and then I really don't want to be anti-society.

Usually atheists want to see society changed, and it is difficult to seperate the two.

 

[plornive]

It is my view that hatred is irrational. Maybe I am being ideallistic, but I don't think all of the thinking I have done has failed to lead me astray from irrationally motivated conclusions.

 

[KnoXville]

Atheism implies non belief, not disbelief. Modern religion implies and relies on the skepticism of non-religious concepts (evol) as a mechanism to try and prove the theory of a god, while not relying on any proof itself.

Hence for the pertinent sections, religion relies on disbelief of modern scientific hypothesizes. Atheism came about long before man invented a god to explain the great unknowns at that time, not vice versa. Additonally regarding the greater good of mankind, billions of people in history have been slaughtered and massacred due to religious influences, and in world history it is probably influence numero uno for initiating warfare.

Religion was a pillar of primitive society, now implemented into modern day. Plus with all the moral changes from belief to belief on the globe, it doesn’t even retain a clear picture of the good standardized morals you speak off.

 

[KnoXville]

I feel sorry for atheists and wish they would at least look into the consequenses (sp) via the Bible better.

I feel sorry for people who asininely think that referencing anything from the antiquated medium in question, actually holds a position to prove anything whatsoever in proving their theories. That's like someone trying to prove that Hitler’s methodology was correct, by referencing to you to passages from mein kampf that state people who don’t agree that other ethnicity’s should be punished and are evil and sinful.

 

[Nathan]

I am actually writing an essay on this right now, or more accurately trying to start one. I'm having some trouble focussing though. Wish me luck.

 

[plornive]

Atheism implies non belief, not disbelief. Modern religion implies and relies on the skepticism of non-religious concepts (evol) as a mechanism to try and prove the theory of a god, while not relying on any proof itself.

Hence for the pertinent sections, religion relies on disbelief of modern scientific hypothesizes. Atheism came about long before man invented a god to explain the great unknowns at that time, not vice versa. Additonally regarding the greater good of mankind, billions of people in history have been slaughtered and massacred due to religious influences, and in world history it is probably influence numero uno for initiating warfare.

Religion was a pillar of primitive society, now implemented into modern day. Plus with all the moral changes from belief to belief on the globe, it doesn’t even retain a clear picture of the good standardized morals you speak off.

Three things:

1. Atheism as a reaction to 'God' is different fom the atheism you speak about. I guess I am making my own definition based on what I see around me. How can we include people who don't even care what 'God' means? This is a semantic argument. Do you see the purpose of my more specific definition?

2. As with point 1., atheism as a reaction to 'God' implies disbelief. This doesn't mean there aren't varying degrees. I am trying to make it symmetrical. Would you call a non-believer of 'God' religious? Am I being pedantic?

3. Believers of Abrahamic religions have clouded the meaning of 'God' and atheism by equating the unknown and/or supernatural with 'God'. Don't you think this is good reason for a more specific definition of atheism? Doesn't the umbrella definition annoy you and trip you up if you are trying to explain this to a layperson?

 

[KnoXville]

Three things:

Lets keep thing ludicrously lucid.

Main Entry: athe·ism
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist
* a disbelief in the existence of deity

The source of ones beliefs do not change there basic dogma, if one doesn't believe in a supreme being, then they are atheist. Stop arguing squelchy semantics, Simon says simple. Reprobate umbrella definition's that clouden the atmosphere of understanding do irk me also.

 

[plornive]

I see your point. But as an atheist arguing some point regarding atheism and/or theism, I really don't want people to mix and match meanings to suit their needs. There needs to be a precise definition to suit the context.

 

[Nathan]

I'm telling you guys that the guitar solo in Metallica's The
Unforgiven rules. Carry on.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

The Bubble Universe is my supreme being!

 

[KnoXville]

I see your point. But as an atheist arguing some point regarding atheism and/or theism, I really don't want people to mix and match meanings to suit their needs. There needs to be a precise definition to suit the context.

I realize that which you are pondering, but truthfully in all my quarrels over the theory of a god, or lack there off, this is the first time semantics relating to atheism has ever needed to be defined as opposed to a religious bred phrase. I'm confident that given the context of a debate, an intelligent person can easily avoid the pitfalls you mentioned and not contradict themselves accordingly, which in itself would speak volumes about there comprehension on the topic.

 

[Bigsatan13]

atheism = hatred of moral values and lack of wish for community.

born of post modernism and relativism

I feel sorry for atheists and wish they would at least look into the consequenses (sp) via the Bible better.

just my 2 cents/point of view. no hating from me!

The Bible! Holy shit what a brilliant suggestion. You mean the book written by the same class of people we are battling with in the desert? You couldn't adapt that book today if you tried. It has been turned and twisted to keep the ignorant folks scared and in their homes cowering at night. Moral values? You mean like priests fucking altar boys? Most people who do not believe in god have higher values then the ones who do.