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Arimidex Sucks!

steelmass

steelmass

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Who else here bloats like crazy even when on .5-1g Arimidex? My last cycle was a test/tren/dbol/1gAdexED and my face BLEW UP! I am bloating right now with Tren/Prop/TBol and .5mg Adex ED - WTF! Also im on a low sodium diet and do cardio ED.

Any suggestions on why im bloating on such a dry cycle?
 
Arimidex only works on the aromatase enzyme. I've heard that Dbol aromatizes through a different enzyme. Only certain aas use aromatase. Anadrol doesn't. Can anyone clarify this?
 
Galaxy - AG-Guys , but I don't think its bunk just that Arimidex in general is bad.

GChiild - interesting, anyone know?
 
In Anabolics 2206 it reads:
"Dianabol is much more estrogenic (than Equipoise) not because it is more easily aromatized, as in fact the 17-alpha methyl group and c1-2 double bond both slow the process of aromatization. The problem is that methandrostenolone converts to 17-alpha methyestradiol, a more biolocially active form of estroge3n than regular estradiol.'

Does this mean that arimidex is less effective for drugs similar to dbol?
 
there are two main systems that convert androgens to oestrogens. Aromatase and sulftase (though generally the metabolites from sulftase conversion are weaker- at least when converted from test/andro/dhea- estriol and estrone--- aromatase converts test to estradiol the strongest natural oestrogen.)
 
arimidex is weaker than other aromatase inhibitors, aromasin is in the middle, letro is the strongest. Letro nearly completely suppresses both aromatase and sulftase.
 
About Anadrol Anabolics 2006 states:
"It is important to note, however, that this drug does not directly convert to estrogen in the boy. Oxymetholone is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, which gives it a structure that cannot be aromatized. As such, many have speculated as to what makes this hormone so troublemome in terms of estrogenic side effects. Some have suggested that it has progestational activity, similar to nandrolone, and is not actually estrogenic at all. Since the obvious side effects of bvoth estrogens and progestins are very similar, this explantion might be a plausible one. However we do find medical studies looking at this possibility. One such tested the progestational activity of various steroids including, nandrolone, norethandrolone, methandrostenolone, testosterone, and oxymetholone. It reported no significant progestational effect inherent i nnandrolone and norethandrolone. Woth such findings it starts to seem much more likely tha oxymetholone can intrinsically activate the estrogen receptor itself, similar to but more profoundly than the estrogenic androgen methandriol. This means we can only combat the estrogenic side effects of oxymetholone with estrogen receptor antagonist such as Nolvadex and Clomid. The strong anti-aromatase compounds such as Cytadren and Arimidex would similarly prove to be totally useless with this steroid, as aromatase is not involved.
Thank god, done typing.
 
NYBodyguard: Its called Femara.

So, what should I do? Would Aromasin knock out the bloat or is this an "androgen-related" bloat?
 
so would that mean if one were taking anadrol, test, and tren they would need to take nolvadex for the anadrol, Femara for the test, and bromo for the tren?
 
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Steelmass- I still bloat on 1mg Liquidex ED when running 1G Test E/wk + EQ, some other stuff. But when I switched to Femara, my strength went down a bit. If you make a switch and have better results, please post so I can give it a shot. I'm flip-flopping between looking like a pumpkin head and not going up in strength.. :worried:
 
Quiltie said:
Steelmass- I still bloat on 1mg Liquidex ED when running 1G Test E/wk + EQ, some other stuff. But when I switched to Femara, my strength went down a bit. If you make a switch and have better results, please post so I can give it a shot. I'm flip-flopping between looking like a pumpkin head and not going up in strength.. :worried:
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Strenght shouldn't be effected directly with letrozole, but you will shed water fast so that's probably where you are seeing the loss in strength - loss of water retention.

I found there are 2 types of people, estrogen/gyno prone and not estrogen/gyno prone. The first do well with letrozole or aromasin, the extreme cases letrozole is best, and the second do well with arimidex. The majority of the time arimidex is strong enough, but that's not always the case. Mak was running 2mgs/day of arimidex for his cycle, from what I remember - so dasages are variable.
 
you guys ever use Formestane?
I run it when Im on drol and I can run drol up to a show with no bloat. Formestane dries me out like nothing else does. and it actually increases IGF levels..:)
 
Thanks Mr. X. I definately saw a slight decrease in strength, but I just assumed it was due to the anti-e change- it could really be any one of a number of variables. I can show pictures of the difference between me on Liquidex and me on Letrozole, it's profound. I'll switch to the letro to be safe. I'm especially worried when running Tren alongside, I feel like manboobs are imminent. :( :lil k:
 
Adex will work with Tren but you need nolva to use with test and/o dbol. They convert differntly thus require different inhibitors.
 
I tried liquidex for my last two deca & test cycles.... first at 0.5mg ED then 1mg ED.... just didn't do the job for bloat.... so I'm gonna try aromasin (and dostinex) for my next cycle (tren + test + t-bol)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
that "report card" article is extremely innacurate.
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Understatement of the year. It's biased towards their bottom line.

I've been saying adex (ldex) just doesn't reduce bloat very well for some time now. Aromasin is good but not cost effective unless you make your own. Ferma (letro) is the best IMO because you only have to use a little. I feel the less chemicals you put into your body the better.
 
anal itch said:
Understatement of the year. It's biased towards their bottom line.

I've been saying adex (ldex) just doesn't reduce bloat very well for some time now. Aromasin is good but not cost effective unless you make your own. Ferma (letro) is the best IMO because you only have to use a little. I feel the less chemicals you put into your body the better.
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Has anyone had good experiences with Aromasin? I'm considering throwing down for it...
 
if you were on cycle and were experiencing bloat. ?

HOw long would it take adex letro armoisan to show results?

1 week? 2 ??
 
anal itch said:
Understatement of the year. It's biased towards their bottom line.

I've been saying adex (ldex) just doesn't reduce bloat very well for some time now. Aromasin is good but not cost effective unless you make your own. Ferma (letro) is the best IMO because you only have to use a little. I feel the less chemicals you put into your body the better.
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How to use ferma and at what dose?/?? never heard anyone using it>?

I want to do something on cycle to prevent lots of bloat.....I won't use adex now because of what I've heard...

what have you guys used to keep bloat off that acutally works and at what doses for each chemical?

thanks....
 
In Feb I was on Test/Dbol cycle, and it was bloating me on Adex..... I ordered some Femera, and it worked wonders..... I reccomend going for the Femera.... Sure Aromasin is good, but why fuck around, just get what you know is gonna work..... That's my advice anyway....

rizz
 
Prizz said:
In Feb I was on Test/Dbol cycle, and it was bloating me on Adex..... I ordered some Femera, and it worked wonders..... I reccomend going for the Femera.... Sure Aromasin is good, but why fuck around, just get what you know is gonna work..... That's my advice anyway....

rizz
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How much letro did you take?
 
Tallguy1 said:
wow..that sounds like a lot.. isn't letro very powerful?.... did that affect your strength/gains at all?
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Not at all..... I only used the Femera for 4 weeks with the Dbol which was causing the heavy bloat..... Once I stopped the Dbol, and was on just Test, I went back to Arimidex, and it worked well.... Yeah 2.5mg is alot, but I wanted to get rid of that bloat more then anything.....

rizz
 
Yeah I am curious, so what do you guys think about 2.5mg ed.....Is that safe?

I really don't know about ferma.....have anyone else had experiances with it?
 
Wait a minute, WTF? Mac, Ulter- maybe I'm dense but I've lost track of what to do here. I was up to 1mg ED of Liquidex this week, and was swollen and bloated. I took 1.5mg Liquifem two nights ago, and last night, swollen nips gone and face back to somewhat normal.
I'm on Test E, Tren, EQ.. Normal dosages, by the book. I have all anti-e's on hand, Clomid, Nolva, Femara, Arimidex, Aromasin, even HCG. Should I stick with Femara (because it's working) but reduce the dosage until I'm at a minimum? Should I use Femara and Nolva (alongside HCG) for my PCT? I'm a little befuddled..
 
stick the with femara, 1.5mg eod should be a good dosage. if you notice drying out too much or drop in libido, cut the dosage back.

femara, nolva, hcg would be quite good for PCT :).
 
Ferma (letro) is SILLY!

Something else I notice is if I take too much, besides the loss of sex drive, my joints start to dry out. Yeah, it's that good! You won't hold ANY water.
 
1.5mg EOD Femara, gonna skip tonight to start that plan right now. I'll let you know after a few days how it's working out. I appreciate the help, of course- You guys are the best! :heart:
 
aluv4speed said:
Please do please do cause I may use it too...

we can see how you do first..lol..
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I really don't see what youre so afraid of bro..... Femera isn't DNP, you'll be fine..... Just start with 1.5mg ED, and judge from there..... If it's too much, you can always cut back to 1.5mg EoD, or if it isn't helping, you can up it..... Nothing better then experimenting.....

rizz
 
I used femara before and it didnt do shit for me. I actually felt more bloated. either AGguys sold me crap(which would be weird, ive been really happy with everything else they have ever sold me) or i just dont respond well to it

Adex, Formestane, nolva for me....
 
Adex works but any cycle thats say above 400 mgs a week of Aromatizable gear
generally tends to be a problem

this is of course a generalization that varies from person to person
 
MassDestruction said:
How much is a good dose of femara for 1g test? I might recomend this to some peeps at the gym. They are always bloated year round.
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1mg like Ulter said or do 1/2 a cc which would be 1.25mg EOD. See how you feel and cut it back or go ED if you need to. Most likely you'll be cutting it back unless you don't mine the loss of sex drive in exchange for ultimate dryness.
 
I have to agree with Gautho, I just cant imagine Rim causing bloat or not fully stopping the bloat from estrogens, although I do know it wont stop the bloat from Dbol I cant see it bloating you more, did I miss what brand Dex it was? I am NOT saying your is bad just wondering, maybe it could be underdosed a bit? Now dont forget with Letro when using it causes a rebound effect once its stopped, which means estrogen will just flood your system probably putting you in a worse position then you were in the first place. I have used many cycles of Arimidex before shows and it made me rock hard with 25mgs of priviron added and the brand was BD for both. But everyones body reacts different though.
 
dex and letro can both (in theory cause rebound)
Dex is SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than letro (does not address sulftase conversion at all- which is (likely) one of the main ways that dbol converts)
 
Update: after switching to Femara 1.5 or so EOD I have lost the bloat (mostly). I must say that the driest I ever get face-wise has been on a Liquidex/Nolva combo in the past. I'll have to see during PCT if this holds for the Femara/Nolva combo. Otherwise no joint pain (yet) and much less water than 1mg Liquidex ED. Thanks for the advice, Mac Ulter, and the rest of you juicy freaks.... :)
I'm glad I switched, so far...
 
I'm on .5 mg /day added to my 1gram test/ 500mg tren/600 mg eq cycle and it's working great for me, in fact i'll never run another cycle without it . Took the bloat out and cut me the fuck up even while on cycle
 
macrophage69alpha said:
arimidex is weaker than other aromatase inhibitors, aromasin is in the middle, letro is the strongest. Letro nearly completely suppresses both aromatase and sulftase.
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Is that a "good" thing?
 
Burning_Inside said:
Is that a "good" thing?
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really depends.

for the people that could get by without an AI, the dex is an option.

for the people that need an AI, aromasin

for people that look at testosterone and get gyno, letrozole

these are generalizations. and dosage variations allow for a lot of leeway.
 
Update ---- Ran Femara at 1.5 EOD for over a week now. Ran into problems by about day 7 (Saturday) or so. Started to have lower back and knee pain, which is extremely unusual for me. Got to the point where I couldn't go to the gym this weekend at all, and couldn't sleep. I figured that I had overdone the AI and dropped my Estro level too low, so I stopped taking it Sunday. This morning I feel alot better, knee pain is gone and back pain is mostly gone. I might have to adjust the dosage and/or timing a bit and update again. The pain was pretty unpleasant, so watch your dosages and don't overdo it. It may be better to start on the low side and work up if gyno isn't already there... :coffee:
 
I have found that liquid arimidex from any vendor is nearly worthless. I have also found that real pharmacy grade arimidex works terrific at .5mg eod or even every third day. This is my experience so who knows.
 
Not sure with whats up with all the armidex bashing here, but I personally happen to respond very well with it. My last cycle of test e at 1000mg I ran 1 mg liquidex and 25 mg liquinolva and I had very minimal bloat. I made sure to drink plety of water and had very little sodium in my diet. My next cycle will be:
500mg test e
750mg eq
60mg tbol
1mg liquidex
25mg liquinolva
 
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