Anything before morning cardio

[The Red Dragon]

What about a 200 mg pill I fuckin hate coffee. I'd imagine caffeine would have an amazing effect (waking you up and promoting lipolysis)

What if you're in ketosis, does it really matter if you eat your fat/protein meal prior hahahah

Don't have any type of sugar, insulin will seal your adipose tissue shut, but then again, OJ is mostly fructose...which is still pretty bad but it doesnt' require as much insulin than does normal glucose but anyway, any fast absorbing nutrient will decrease your glucagon/epinephrine levels in the morning and therefore, you will not tap into the fat stores

Pfft, if its just cardio who cares...I'd mainly be concerned about weight training in the morning

Morning is an amazing placement for high-mod intensity cardio though, if that whole empty tank thing is false (i doubt it) its positioned so that your metabolism is raised for the remainder of the day. if cardio is done in the evening/night...you probably waste high metabolism time during sleep...

 

[Psykosik]

any carbs you eat before morning cardio you will need to burn before you tap into your fat reserves.

Sorry, but it's absolutly false. It will only help losing muscle mass by quitting the hypoglycemia state you're at, in the morning.

The pre-cardio meal should consist of whole proteins and complex carbohydrates.

You can't do cardio after an 8 hour fast. The body will look for the most readily available fuel source - muscle glycogen - not fat.

Morning cardio before a meal is great if you want to burn muscle.

The issue is that you will rely also heavily on gluconeogenesis, which is highly catabolic to muscle tissue.

At approximately 65 % V02 max, fuel is derived from approximately 50 % fats, and 50 % carbohydrates. Of this, fatty acids are derived in nearly equal measure from peripheral and endogenous ( intramuscular) TGs, while the majority ( 80 %) of glucose is derived from intramuscular fuels, with only 20 % from the periphery(Romijn et al. 1993). Of the 20 % glucose released by the liver, approximately 15 % of it is from gluconeogenesis (Ahlborg et al., 1974, Ahlborg and Felig, 1982, ). However, again such fuel use is also time dependent. For example, after two hours of exercise TGs become dominant from peripheral fuels compared to endogenous fuels. Twice the amount of peripheral fatty acids are used relative to intramuscular fatty acids which may be due to depleted intramuscular TG stores. Depletion of glycogen also increases use of peripheral fuels. Ahlborg and Felig (1982) performed a similar study to the Alborg et al. ( 1974) study, with the exception that exercise was performed at 59 % V02 max. Because exercise intensity was higher than low protocols( 30-40 performed in ALborg et al. 1974), 75 grams of glucose was released by the liver in 3 instead of four hours. After this amount of time, the level of liver depletion, like low intensity exercise, increases the rate of gluconeogensesis. This is in large part due to increasing cortisol levels due to lowered plasma glucose, as well as increased glucagon levels (see below). Up to

60 % of fuels from the liver at this time are produced by gluconeogenesis. During this study, plasma glucose levels rose from the onset of exercise and peaked at 90- minutes of exercise. However, by 3.5 hours of cycling, blood glucose levels had decreased to hypoglycemic levels. The decline was most rapid from 120 – 180 minutes, and was associated with the lowest outputs of glucose from the liver, due to the extreme and catabolic reliance on gluconeogenesis. Further, the fall in plasma glucose was 40 % lower after 3 hours than it was at low intensity exercise.

Source : http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/Nutrientpartitioningpart3.php


Hope you get it now.

 

[pintoca]

Sorry, but it's absolutly false. It will only help losing muscle mass by quitting the hypoglycemia state you're at, in the morning.

The pre-cardio meal should consist of whole proteins and complex carbohydrates.

You can't do cardio after an 8 hour fast. The body will look for the most readily available fuel source - muscle glycogen - not fat.

Morning cardio before a meal is great if you want to burn muscle.

The issue is that you will rely also heavily on gluconeogenesis, which is highly catabolic to muscle tissue.


Source : http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/Nutrientpartitioningpart3.php


Hope you get it now.

Morning cardio on a empty stomach is probably the MOST debated issue concerning training.

I will only point an article from Tom Venuto, who is, at least in my view, a respectable source: The guy gets down to 3.9% NATURALLY for competition.

http://www.freedomfly.net/Articles/Training/training17.htm

To see how this guy looks like and if its worth to follow his advice:

http://www.musclephysique.com/mot_photo.html

In any way, as I always say: Research should be used ONLY as your starting point. You need to try it yourself, log and compare what works best for you.

If morning cardio where as catabolic as you mention, NOBODY (except those on gear) would be doing it... I am not suppoorting a theory by going on the useless argument of "if everybody is doing, it must be right", but saying that BBers are constantly ahead on nutrition/training experience goes a long way.

I am personally not a morning cardio person myself: I trained for 6 months in the most catabolic state possible: Doing long. hard cardio sessions (45min @ 80% MHR) inmediately AFTER my lifting (gasp!!)... I have lost 56.3 lbs so far (53.4 lbs fat and 2.8 lbs LBM), which does not sound too catabolic to me.

I only started doing morning cardio recently, due to schedule changes... and to be even more catabolic, I am doing 45min steady state cardio (80-85% MHR) only with coffee inside) everyday @ 5:30 am... AND doing 20 min HIIT (95% MHR) 4 times a week AFTER lifting on evenings... I don't know yet if this will backfire, only time will tell.

Bottom line is: I really cannot care less about absolute truths: Read the studies, take it ith a grain of salt and TRY it on yourself. Accepting something blindly will only give you 50% of the truth.

Anyway, let's please not turn this into a pissing contest, you have your opinion and I have mine. Let the people decide which way they want to go, after testing what works for them. To each its own.


I think I already "got it"



Pintoca

 

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[yan]

To use a tablet of ephedrine HCL, the caffeine increases the heart a lot