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Anyone tried Test Undecanoate (Nebido) ???
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XMAN.
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that's exactly what i have in mind.
they have it in european pharmacies and u can find some UG labs producing it nowadays. thinking of trying the UG version as it's much cheaper than the german bayer, just doing 750mg once a month which is 3 ml oil solution and u can even find TU500 in 500mg/ml form which is 1.5 ml only (only in UG labs) the idea is really exciting.
My advice: rather than believe the hype, look up the half-life and calculate out daily levels from first injection out. My though is that the ester isn't terribly longer than cyp or enananthate and most are dosing those 1x per week and even 2x to fully stabilize levels. So, while I have no direct experience with that ester for HRT I find it a bit stretch to think you can load up for 30 days and not experience fairly drastic volatility in levels. Then again maybe this ester is like Santa Claus, but as I've seen more reports and thought about it, I find no reason to believe in a magic ester that somehow avoids normal half-life functions.
XMAN.
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yeah u'r right it has a half life of 16.5 days and by doing the math it shouldn't be shot at a distant intervals just like Deca at least once per week, that's what my initial thoughts on it were, but then again u look into some studies and charts and u see that it peaks after a week stay steady until week 3 and start to drop on week 4, that's what really confuses me, does it really have a 16-17 days half life or this is just wrong, u even see ppl saying that it has a 53 days half life, too many contradicting data on it and that's y i'm asking the question in the first place to know from the experienced users themselves.
check this link for the full study on it : Treatment of Male Hypogonadism With Testosterone Undecanoate Injected at Extended Intervals of 12 Weeks: A Phase II Study -- von Eckardstein and Nieschlag 23 (3): 419 -- Journal of Andrology
this chart is in the study that shows Serum testosterone after a single injection of 1000 mg TU in 14 untreated hypogonadal men (Behre et al, 1999) (open circles) and during treatment with TU for 102 weeks (closed circles). Values are given as means ± SD. Dotted lines indicate normal limits.
http://www.andrologyjournal.org/content/vol23/issue3/images/large/andr-23-03-16-f02.jpeg
You might try the 'all things male' forum and see if anyone has tried it there. I'm pretty skeptical and I don't belive I've read any really positive or encouraging first hand experiences. I've seen a few but none stuck out and I usually ignore them at this point (which if they were positive would be unlikely). Good luck.
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Deltoid_87
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With undeconate id say levels would peak for the first 2 - 5 days then start to drop. So Once a week injections would be needed for the most stable blood levels. I don't think twice a week inj are necessary with this ester.
Deltoid_87
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With undeconate id say levels would peak for the first 2 - 5 days then start to drop. So Once a week injections would be needed for the most stable blood levels. I don't think twice a week inj are necessary with this ester.
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XMAN.
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i dunno if u read my posts above but this what i have in mind in the first place about it's half life and peak , as a first thought it's about the same as decanoate (or deca) and once a week is not a bad idea when doing twice a week now with enanthate, but there's some controversial info about it and i read studies and charts showing a lot more time than what we're talking about check this chart : http://www.andrologyjournal.org/content/vol23/issue3/images/large/andr-23-03-16-f02.jpeg
look for the full study in the post above.
now the question is , did u try it urself ?
XMAN.
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expensive !!! i'm totally with you, if we're talking bayer's nebido but UG labs already made it a long time ago, maybe not that long, but i have access to it for a lot less (sorry can't give more details)
Hey peoples,my first post here which I hope gives some wanted information.I'm far from any kind of expert and have a pretty limited experience, but do have a reasonably good understanding about AAS.I never take anything until I know as much information needed.I was doing some research on test undecanoate and found a thread very similar to this one and I went to register to make a comment on a thread and realised I'm already a member lol Anyway I wish I could find that thread,it had some bickering and members commenting on sustanon being stupid to be used for HRT along with members with conflicting posts about test undecanoate and what it's half life was along with people wanting input from anyone who'd actually taken test undec.If anyone can recall the the thread I'm talking/writing about could they please put up a link as I'd go further into detail as I've had both sustanon and Reandron"Testosterone Undecanoate".
To address Reandron,this is the testosterone ester of choice for HRT now where I live although years ago sustanon was used.I have been using test undec for HRT for about 6 months or so from memory as my test level was surprisingly low although I was still pretty well built before starting the Reandron.It started off with 2 IM injections of Reandron 1000mg in a 4 ml vial I think it is,I just threw out the packaging with the inside leaflet with all the info on it but am sure it's a 4 ml vial,the first 2 injections were 6 weeks apart then to one injection every 14 -16 weeks,so approx once a month.I had my level checked just before the the first 14 week interval and the level was within normal range and again just before the third 14-16 week interval which again was in normal range .I will get another level check just before my next one and can post all the details if anyone wants to know?
As soon as the test undec kicked in I started feeling really good just mood wise and instead of any increase in agro I completely calmed down,started getting really hungry and eating like a horse and started exercising with the only exercise using weights being bicep curls,the rest was basically isometrics,using my own body weight with various push ups and probably 10 minutes of cardio which I started only a fortnight ago.I haven't had a strict diet but am eating 'grazing heaps, 5-6 meals a day along with protein shakes with 3 bananas,3-5 egg whites and creatine.The gains came incredibly fast with rock hard muscle and bulked right up in no time.As of a fortnight ago I started cutting and my aim is to get ripped with good definition and losing as much body fat as possible,all without being too strict and serious but thought I may as well take advantage of it now I'm using it.All I can say is that the levels show normal test levels with just one IM shot a month,I can only imagine what could be achieved using it with normal test levels and incorporated in a stack.I will get levels checked again as mentioned and post exact results.
I don't understand why so many people use such huge doses and more often than needed along with whatever else used in a cycle witha big stack also in huge doses and so often,however we're all individuals and each to their own.I would love to add a different test ester along with deca and research or find out from the pros here what would be the best cutter without any side effects,I've read and been told clenbuterol is good for cutting but you swet a lot,large amounts of caffeine,ephedrine and drinking heaps of water,doing cardio along with more sets of lower intensity exercise all helps when cutting to lose body fat.I will be asking what would be best for getting really defined/ripped and whoever reads this bare in mind I am in a w/chair with no movement or feeling from T8-9 down,I have one ab that works lol and am limited in what exercises I can do which answers any questions about what I've posted.
To address Reandron,this is the testosterone ester of choice for HRT now where I live although years ago sustanon was used.I have been using test undec for HRT for about 6 months or so from memory as my test level was surprisingly low although I was still pretty well built before starting the Reandron.It started off with 2 IM injections of Reandron 1000mg in a 4 ml vial I think it is,I just threw out the packaging with the inside leaflet with all the info on it but am sure it's a 4 ml vial,the first 2 injections were 6 weeks apart then to one injection every 14 -16 weeks,so approx once a month.I had my level checked just before the the first 14 week interval and the level was within normal range and again just before the third 14-16 week interval which again was in normal range .I will get another level check just before my next one and can post all the details if anyone wants to know?
As soon as the test undec kicked in I started feeling really good just mood wise and instead of any increase in agro I completely calmed down,started getting really hungry and eating like a horse and started exercising with the only exercise using weights being bicep curls,the rest was basically isometrics,using my own body weight with various push ups and probably 10 minutes of cardio which I started only a fortnight ago.I haven't had a strict diet but am eating 'grazing heaps, 5-6 meals a day along with protein shakes with 3 bananas,3-5 egg whites and creatine.The gains came incredibly fast with rock hard muscle and bulked right up in no time.As of a fortnight ago I started cutting and my aim is to get ripped with good definition and losing as much body fat as possible,all without being too strict and serious but thought I may as well take advantage of it now I'm using it.All I can say is that the levels show normal test levels with just one IM shot a month,I can only imagine what could be achieved using it with normal test levels and incorporated in a stack.I will get levels checked again as mentioned and post exact results.
I don't understand why so many people use such huge doses and more often than needed along with whatever else used in a cycle witha big stack also in huge doses and so often,however we're all individuals and each to their own.I would love to add a different test ester along with deca and research or find out from the pros here what would be the best cutter without any side effects,I've read and been told clenbuterol is good for cutting but you swet a lot,large amounts of caffeine,ephedrine and drinking heaps of water,doing cardio along with more sets of lower intensity exercise all helps when cutting to lose body fat.I will be asking what would be best for getting really defined/ripped and whoever reads this bare in mind I am in a w/chair with no movement or feeling from T8-9 down,I have one ab that works lol and am limited in what exercises I can do which answers any questions about what I've posted.
Gee,just going over what I posted and realised I'd completely contradicted myself with the times between injections.I'm going to the docs tomorrow and will find out exactly what the regime is for HRT as 14-16 weeks isn't once a month,it's once every 31/2-4 months which I actually just had confirmed by my local chemist which is after 2 initial doses 6 weeks apart when beginning HRT.This certainly sounds too good to be true,however the results confirm this and I've noticed a dramatic change in mood,hunger,strength with excellent gains and when I mentioned I'd been on it for 6 months or more it's more like a year ,I haven't kept any records so will find out when I started tomorrow and post the exact timeframe.My apologies for giving the wrong information in my first post,time flys when you don't work,every day seems much the same and it's very easy to lose track of time!
Now knowing how long between injections which I do myself for HRT only and not recreationaly even though I've taken advantage of it and exercising,eating well,started cardio etc attaining great results,I can only imagine how well this ester would work for anyone that's training hard core, lifting big weights on a strict diet, taking the best suppliments etc.I know the time between injections for HRT sounds like BS but it's not.From what I've read REANDRON is hard to get and very expensive and haven't seen any comments from anyone who's got actual real experience in using this ester which is why I thought I'd post my little experience taking it for HRT remembering I'm far from a full on body builder.It's worked wonders for me and am sticking to my goal of getting ripped just using it for HRT although I would like to do a short cycle stacked with deca and maybe dianabol and nolvadex to be safe along with cutting to get well defined and losing my body fat especially on my pecs.My arms and shoulders are rock solid and can't pinch any skin but I did have plenty on my chest which I've definitely noticed good loss of fat there so far without losing anything from arms and shoulders but still more to go from my pecs till I'm happy.
I hope this gives some insight to this specific testosterone ester and I will post again after my doctors appointment along with getting my levels checked again and post those results as well.
Now knowing how long between injections which I do myself for HRT only and not recreationaly even though I've taken advantage of it and exercising,eating well,started cardio etc attaining great results,I can only imagine how well this ester would work for anyone that's training hard core, lifting big weights on a strict diet, taking the best suppliments etc.I know the time between injections for HRT sounds like BS but it's not.From what I've read REANDRON is hard to get and very expensive and haven't seen any comments from anyone who's got actual real experience in using this ester which is why I thought I'd post my little experience taking it for HRT remembering I'm far from a full on body builder.It's worked wonders for me and am sticking to my goal of getting ripped just using it for HRT although I would like to do a short cycle stacked with deca and maybe dianabol and nolvadex to be safe along with cutting to get well defined and losing my body fat especially on my pecs.My arms and shoulders are rock solid and can't pinch any skin but I did have plenty on my chest which I've definitely noticed good loss of fat there so far without losing anything from arms and shoulders but still more to go from my pecs till I'm happy.
I hope this gives some insight to this specific testosterone ester and I will post again after my doctors appointment along with getting my levels checked again and post those results as well.
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