Anyone see Penn and Teller "Bullshit" on Showtime?

[Lift Chief]

It was on the other night and it was about evolutionism vs creationism... basically bashing the fuck out of the creationist arguments... pretty interesting stuff.

 

[p0ink]

i didnt know they were scientists.

i always thought they were comedians/magicians.

 

[Lift Chief]

i didnt know they were scientists.

i always thought they were comedians/magicians.

Hah- yeah i was skeptical at first too... they didnt do the convincing obviously. They interviewed various scientists for both sides.- and it was funny.

 

[hardrock]

That show is pretty funny. I love how stupid they make people look.

 

[DealsMorte]

Actually its an awesome show even if you don't agree with them. I really enjoyed the one about smoking laws.

 

[gymrat]

Do both talk?

 

[Lao Tzu]

only Penn talks. The shorter one doesn't. The ones about second hand smoke, the end of the world, and bottled water were really good. The ones about alternative medicine kinda suck because i already know that they are frauds. They are doing one on self help next week, it should be good.

I missed the evolution/creationist episode. Give me a recap.

 

[gymrat]

so what does the guy who doesn't talk do?

I'll have to watch it sometime.

 

[Lift Chief]

only Penn talks. The shorter one doesn't. The ones about second hand smoke, the end of the world, and bottled water were really good. The ones about alternative medicine kinda suck because i already know that they are frauds. They are doing one on self help next week, it should be good.

I missed the evolution/creationist episode. Give me a recap.

Basically they just said how almost all scientists believe in evolutionism of course- not creationism. And how the creationists are picking apart a scientific theory to find small flaws in order to disprove it, but that by the evidence the E theory holds up while the C one does not.

They also talked about how creationists don't use real science in order to prove their points. They try to make the evidence fit their preconceived notions they've gotten from the literal interpretation of the bible instead of analyzing the evidence for the most accurate theory.

Stuff i already knew, but it was still pretty well done i thought- although they are clearly biased.

 

[Lift Chief]

so what does the guy who doesn't talk do?

I'll have to watch it sometime.

Haha- nothing. Holds props and looks at Penn.

 

[anadrolstack]

..watching it right now

funny shit

 

[hardrock]

I can't believe they passed that shit, allowing Georgia schools to teach Creationism in science class!

 

[Imnotdutch]

I wonder if BigBadBuff caught the show...........I was putting these exact same arguments to him a while ago.

Basically they just said how almost all scientists believe in evolutionism of course- not creationism. And how the creationists are picking apart a scientific theory to find small flaws in order to disprove it, but that by the evidence the E theory holds up while the C one does not.

They also talked about how creationists don't use real science in order to prove their points. They try to make the evidence fit their preconceived notions they've gotten from the literal interpretation of the bible instead of analyzing the evidence for the most accurate theory.

Stuff i already knew, but it was still pretty well done i thought- although they are clearly biased.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I can't believe they passed that shit, allowing Georgia schools to teach Creationism in science class!

It is particularly bad because Creationism has absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever.

 

[Norman Bates]

I talked with a physics major yesterday. He told me that the microwave background radiation in the universe fits extremely well into the big bang theory. They determined the age of the universe to be about 13.7 billion years +/- 1%.
The 6000 year old universe theory of the creationist makes about as much sense as the Easterbunny and Santa Claus.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I talked with a physics major yesterday. He told me that the microwave background radiation in the universe fits extremely well into the big bang theory. They determined the age of the universe to be about 13.7 billion years +/- 1%.
The 6000 year old universe theory of the creationist makes about as much sense as the Easterbunny and Santa Claus.

This is a good point........the strength in the evidence that supports evolution is that it ALL tells the same story. This is why trying to pick holes in individual pieces of evidence is ludicrous and futile.

 

[Lift Chief]

This is a good point........the strength in the evidence that supports evolution is that it ALL tells the same story. This is why trying to pick holes in individual pieces of evidence is ludicrous and futile.

Exactly- and that is simply not how science is done. These creationist "scientists" so blatantly have their own agendas it's comical.

 

[hardrock]

Exactly- and that is simply not how science is done. These creationist "scientists" so blatantly have their own agendas it's comical.

I would agree...but I see nothing funny about children being taught this as though it were science. It's down right scary!

 

[beefybull]

The 6000 year old universe theory of the creationist makes about as much sense as the Easterbunny and Santa Claus.

I dont think its 6000 years.